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Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

everybody relax, i'm here
Nap Ghost
In the end of Back to the Future, in the good alternate reality, why does Marty get his own truck?

There are four adults sharing one car (the BMW) but they're all cool with letting the youngest kid have his own impractical two-seater truck thing, for what. Are they rewarding him for making their lives good; do they recognize in some unspoken way, that they owe him big?

What's the story logic reason he's getting such a big reward.

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


My question is whether there's another Marty out there or if the Marty we see will just gradually phase into that timeline's Marty.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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His father is a successful writer, George McFly can afford a Toyota 4x4.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

muscles like this! posted:

My question is whether there's another Marty out there or if the Marty we see will just gradually phase into that timeline's Marty.

They obviously keep the other one in the attic and feed it a bucket of fish heads once a week.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
Twin Pines vs. Lone Pine Marty:

The Twin Pines Marty is the one we follow the entire film. The one who lived a life with a bullied and failed dad, unhappy family, Biff is an rear end in a top hat adult, etc.

At the end of the movie when Marty arrives back in 1985, a 1985 where his father is a success, Doc is alive, his family is happy, Biff is a simpering coward, we watch as he watches 'himself' (Lone Pine Marty) go back in time from Lone Pine Mall.

This Lone Pine Marty is going to 1955. A Marty that has had the life experiences of the Lone Pine Timeline, right? So, isn't there the real chance he's going to gently caress up the future because he's never going to hear the story about how his grandpa almost killed his dad and how his mom felt sorry for him? It'll be how his dad was this awesome two-fisted hero who fought bullies and rapists and became student class president? The man whose good friend Calvin was in the first interracial rock and roll band that ever played in Hill Valley?

He's going to get back to 1985 to find a dead Doc, a lovely home, a wrecked car, and no idea what he did to change the timeline.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

He had a truck in the original timeline but it was wrecked at the start of the film

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
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that toyota pickup is rad as gently caress

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

It was wrecked because he was rolling coal on some libs in Volvos

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




in the fourth movie they reveal it was all a dream doc brown had when he hit his head on the toilet, nobody has ever traveled back in time because it's impossible

Wee
Dec 16, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
They should make all the time Martys fight

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


JediTalentAgent posted:

Twin Pines vs. Lone Pine Marty:

The Twin Pines Marty is the one we follow the entire film. The one who lived a life with a bullied and failed dad, unhappy family, Biff is an rear end in a top hat adult, etc.

At the end of the movie when Marty arrives back in 1985, a 1985 where his father is a success, Doc is alive, his family is happy, Biff is a simpering coward, we watch as he watches 'himself' (Lone Pine Marty) go back in time from Lone Pine Mall.

This Lone Pine Marty is going to 1955. A Marty that has had the life experiences of the Lone Pine Timeline, right? So, isn't there the real chance he's going to gently caress up the future because he's never going to hear the story about how his grandpa almost killed his dad and how his mom felt sorry for him? It'll be how his dad was this awesome two-fisted hero who fought bullies and rapists and became student class president? The man whose good friend Calvin was in the first interracial rock and roll band that ever played in Hill Valley?

He's going to get back to 1985 to find a dead Doc, a lovely home, a wrecked car, and no idea what he did to change the timeline.

Whoa.

And would twin pines Marty cease to exist if lone pine Marty fucks things up in the past, or are they operating on two separate time-planes?

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
He’s getting a car because he’s old enough to need a car. That’s how it works. The car is a sweet truck because his parents love him and have money and it’s the 80’s. They also recognize his rock star potential and that he’s way too cool for hill valley.

you broke my grill
Jul 11, 2019

Marty gets special treatment because his mom wants to gently caress him OP

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

JediTalentAgent posted:

Twin Pines vs. Lone Pine Marty:

Lone pine Marty has no way to get to twin pines 1985. He would literally need to go plant another pine tree, as well as perfectly undoing what twin pines Marty is doing in 1955.

In this timeline doc knows about time travel from 1955. This means the twin pines timeline no longer exists. The question is what happens to lone pine Marty in 1955. Does he fade away, erasing the lifetime of growing up in a happy family to be replaced with doppelgänger twin pines Marty? Does he live out the rest of his life in 1955? Unless he can intercept the lighting strike, he has no way to travel back to the future.

Adrianics
Aug 15, 2006

Affirmative. Yes. Yo. Right on. My man.
As the youngest McFly, he is spoiled. I can also imagine new money George McFly's attitude towards the two elder McFlys being "no more of my money, you're out in the real world now. Be grateful I'm willing to house you"

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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JediTalentAgent posted:

Twin Pines vs. Lone Pine Marty:

He's going to get back to 1985 to find a dead Doc, a lovely home, a wrecked car, and no idea what he did to change the timeline.

:aaaaa:


The Management posted:

Lone pine Marty has no way to get to twin pines 1985. He would literally need to go plant another pine tree, as well as perfectly undoing what twin pines Marty is doing in 1955.

Lone Pine Marty knows how to drive much better (he's been borrowing the beemer since 16), so he keeps the delorean under control and doesn't smash the tree.

And then he fucks up in all the places where Twin Pines Marty did good, because he's a rich kid who never had to struggle with bullies or any of the other adversities that his poor self did. He doesn't instantly fade out, because Twin Pines Marty is doing all the stuff that makes his existence secure.

But if he does stuff that screws up the timeline so that the other Marty can't be born, he will see his picture start to fade out. Because both Martys require each other's existence!


The Management posted:

In this timeline doc knows about time travel from 1955. This means the twin pines timeline no longer exists. The question is what happens to lone pine Marty in 1955. Does he fade away, erasing the lifetime of growing up in a happy family to be replaced with doppelgänger twin pines Marty? Does he live out the rest of his life in 1955? Unless he can intercept the lighting strike, he has no way to travel back to the future.

Obviously in both timelines Doc knows about time travel in 1955 -- he came up with the flux capacitor a week ago. But Marty shows up and confirms his idea, sending him on the path of being a crazy lone scientist for the next 30 years. The changing fortunes of the McFly family don't really affect him.

So in both timelines, Doc can help Marty get back to the future. Probably in this timeline, he builds a contraption that attracts lightning and burns down the tower.


The only question is what connection does Lone Pines Marty have with Doc? He's a rich brat, not a bullied nerd, so why is he hanging out with this crazy guy? Doc must specifically seek him out and befriend him. Because he knows that Marty will go back in time.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Chinatown posted:

that toyota pickup is rad as gently caress

yup. and the answer to the op is as simple as that

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

Toxic Mental posted:

He had a truck in the original timeline but it was wrecked at the start of the film

It was an old beater Chevy Nova that Biff borrowed and wrecked. I think it was the McFly family’s only car, too (in the 1985 timeline before Marty goes back in time).

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

JediTalentAgent posted:

Twin Pines vs. Lone Pine Marty:

The Twin Pines Marty is the one we follow the entire film. The one who lived a life with a bullied and failed dad, unhappy family, Biff is an rear end in a top hat adult, etc.

At the end of the movie when Marty arrives back in 1985, a 1985 where his father is a success, Doc is alive, his family is happy, Biff is a simpering coward, we watch as he watches 'himself' (Lone Pine Marty) go back in time from Lone Pine Mall.

This Lone Pine Marty is going to 1955. A Marty that has had the life experiences of the Lone Pine Timeline, right? So, isn't there the real chance he's going to gently caress up the future because he's never going to hear the story about how his grandpa almost killed his dad and how his mom felt sorry for him? It'll be how his dad was this awesome two-fisted hero who fought bullies and rapists and became student class president? The man whose good friend Calvin was in the first interracial rock and roll band that ever played in Hill Valley?

He's going to get back to 1985 to find a dead Doc, a lovely home, a wrecked car, and no idea what he did to change the timeline.

Every time the Delorean is used it creates a new parallel timeline. This means the original McFly family from the beginning of the first movie still exists. They found Doc Brown's body in the parking lot the next morning and Marty was a missing persons case for a couple of years until George and Lorraine came to terms with it and buried an empty casket for closure.

When Marty returned from the 50s, he traveled to another parallel timeline where his dad was successful and the local Marty went to the future.

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Dec 25, 2020

 
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Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

There's a new Time traveling movie that actually references Back to the Future, could be a good time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNm3VPPKEQI

Larry Cum Free
Jun 3, 2022

move it or lose it dillweed
Do you think that after his time travelling adventures, late 20s Marty ever played Chrono Trigger and was like "heavy"?

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Marty was eventually killed

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

He should've let his siblings disappear, bro was a huge dorkus and his sister was a pill.

BAGS FLY AT NOON
Apr 6, 2011

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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Marty was eventually killed

The Future comes for us all…

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




marty should have boned his hot young mom imo, that's a chance you can't pass up

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Bad Purchase posted:

marty should have boned his hot young mom imo, that's a chance you can't pass up

It'd be an infinite loop of ever weirder looking Marty's.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

Bad Purchase posted:

marty should have boned his hot young mom imo, that's a chance you can't pass up

"we've got to get you back marty! [points directly at the screen] back to before you hosed your own mom!!"

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Bad Purchase posted:

marty should have boned his hot young mom imo, that's a chance you can't pass up

Fry did similar and it ended up saving the universe.

marty just didn't care enough about saving all existence to get down with his mom. The lame nerd.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
All the McFly kids are actually adopted.

This is the reason that the exact sperm-egg combinations that happened in either timeline continued to do so. Nothing about George's or Lorraine's lives would have been different enough to cause a slight alteration the moments of conception that would have resulted in totally different kids when Marty changed the timeline.

But wait, what about the fading photo?!

Exactly. Marty loving up the timeline simply was going to result in he and his siblings never having been in the photo together because the McFlys never would have gotten together and adopted them and eventually taken the photo. If Marty had done nothing, he wouldn't have faded from existence, only been adopted by another family and had a life that would not have resulted in him ever meeting Doc or going back in time.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Bad Purchase posted:

marty should have boned his hot young mom imo, that's a chance you can't pass up

That was the plot to a Chuck Palahniuk novel, Rant. In it a character discovers that if you crash your car in a certain way you can travel through time which lets him go to the past and have sex with his mom, which gives him superhuman abilities due to becoming his own father. Also other people start doing this too and begin loving around with the timeline.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

There's a new Time traveling movie that actually references Back to the Future, could be a good time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNm3VPPKEQI

kiernan shipka!

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Why is it called Back to the Future when the whole franchise is set in the past? Never goes past 2015.

nobodygetshurt
Dec 11, 2007

What did OP do in the previous timeline to deserve an answer to this question? Are we rewarding current-timeline-OP for something alternate-timeline-OP did before he made this thread?

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

We don't have hoverboards because Marty never got in his car accident at the end of 3.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
Doc Brown went from being a small town scientist to having enough connections and means to be able to find and negotiate with terrorists to get plutonium.

This is the early 80s before you had internet and Bitcoin.

Another BTTF movie needs to be that prequel story of that chain of events.

Larry Cum Free
Jun 3, 2022

move it or lose it dillweed

super sweet best pal posted:

Why is it called Back to the Future when the whole franchise is set in the past? Never goes past 2015.

The movie is about him trying to go “back” to the “future”. Time is relative, and if you don’t fix your relatives in time you disappear into the Shadow Realm.

Genesplicer
Oct 19, 2002

I give your invention the worst grade imaginable: An A-minus-minus!

Total Clam
Time travel is impossible. What really occurs when the car hits 88 miles per hour is simple: a dimensional rift is opened to an alternate universe where the Big Bang occurred a few years later, so it seems he traveled to the past. (We can call this universe "universe beta", the original universe being "Universe alpha"). When he alters the timeline and goes "forward", he jumps to yet another universe (universe gamma), where all he did has had repercussions.

This leaves us with an issue unaddressed in the film series. What happened to the other Marty? There should have been a Marty already in universe gamma. Is he shunted over to universe Alpha, to compensate for the mass/energy transfer of the original Marty, or does he simply cease to exist? If the latter, Marty alpha could be considered a murderer. If the former, then Marty gamma's life ends up sucking as much as Marty alpha's is improved. Also, if the latter, then universe alpha is now Martyless, and his parents spend a lot of time looking for their missing son, never knowing that he is off in another universe. Eventually they come to the sad conclusion that he is one of the numerous runaway teens, and is either a homeless drug addict somewhere, or has been murdered and is now in a shallow grave.

Larry Cum Free
Jun 3, 2022

move it or lose it dillweed
That's incorrect. Time travel is possible.

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dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
So in the true story that this was based off, they reached 88mph but nothing happened and he and his scientist pal were just shot up in the parking lot. He survived that but later died from radiation poisoning.

So as always hollywood just had to tack on a happy ending on to what was really at it's core a very sad story.

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