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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

stfu about your stupid holiday parties

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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

I always apply to a bunch of jobs on LinkedIn and then click on the "Home" button and after scrolling through my timeline, get filled with deep despair.

Anyone who willingly posts on LinkedIn is an absolute psycho. Just hustle-grindset freaks, "wow, can you belive ChatGPT can do this?!?" and "I want to thank Microsoft for employing me for 10 months, then giving me the boot when they decided they want to increase stock prices .03% by laying off 10,000 workers. Thank you sir, may I have another?"

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i dont like using this word or use it lightly but regular linkedin posters are subhuman

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Smythe posted:

a must for those gentlemen looking to share a swig off their flask with Tiffany the receptionist. (does this person exist anymore? both the desperate cubicle critter and also Tiffany. I’ve never had a real job)

I have a big crush on Stephanie in communications but it's a lil more wholesome than that I feel

Griz
May 21, 2001


Smythe posted:

a must for those gentlemen looking to share a swig off their flask with Tiffany the receptionist. (does this person exist anymore? both the desperate cubicle critter and also Tiffany. I’ve never had a real job)

"front desk" at my ex-job was a super old white woman who retired at like 80 and then a series of young women who either quit after a year or got fired for being snarky about the vending machines being broken again with no ETA on repair

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Al! posted:

i dont like using this word or use it lightly but regular linkedin posters are subhuman

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Smythe posted:

both the desperate cubicle critter

my job everyone is in cubicles or offices. i have an almost-private office but not a formal door (doors are only for senior/management)

Griz
May 21, 2001


Xaris posted:

my job everyone is in cubicles or offices. i have an almost-private office but not a formal door (doors are only for senior/management)

i used to have a cubicle in an obscure corner and that owned bc all the really annoying people were in a different area and one time i fell asleep for like 3 hours and no one noticed

then they moved to a new building with "open office" poo poo and everything was just incredibly loud all the time and our headset software was garbage so the customers would always complain about not being able to hear us, or too much background noise from doors slamming, or all the guys who are incredibly loud all the time, or my lovely headset making me shout to be audible

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

i say swears online posted:

in the last hour the planning committee decided on catering from olive garden but everyone attending has to contribute $10

state government owns
Love me some government jobs, except the performative “we are not corrupt!!” parts

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

cat botherer posted:

Love me some government jobs, except the performative “we are not corrupt!!” parts

the elected official who runs it is a Republican so all the newsletters are about fiscal responsibility

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Al! posted:

i dont like using this word or use it lightly but regular linkedin posters are subhuman

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

Al! posted:

nepotism's the best way to get jobs for sure but i gotta say my most recent experience required me to be willing to leave a city or even being close to a city, but still urbanized enough to have basically whatever you need. huge pay bump and they really appreciated someone who had citified professional experience. best career move ive made in my life. the trade off was moving. the real downside is rural healthcare is bad because of a lack of actual physicians, not to mention specialists

anyway all that's to say consider relocating, if you dont have kids to gently caress up you might find you like the different pace to life, like i did

i don't have a career tho idk how
i went to college and just got debt idg how to do the intermediary parts between not job and job

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

list of cspam job advice:

pull up your pants
write a cover letter
move to bumfuck nowhere
learn some reading comprehension

Griz
May 21, 2001


FirstnameLastname posted:

i don't have a career tho idk how
i went to college and just got debt idg how to do the intermediary parts between not job and job

temp agency got me a job for $10/hr and then the company called me back a month after the temp contract ran out to hire me at $12/hr bc i was the only temp who wasn't dumb as poo poo

got uplifted to helpdesk after trying to quit the phone-answering job then 10 years later i quit bc i was getting paid less than new hires as a senior tech

Griz
May 21, 2001


my first boss was actually good and refused to hire anyone until they put me on the same pay scale as everyone else after like 2 years of bullshit, and it worked and i got salary like everyone else

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

AnimeIsTrash posted:

list of cspam job advice:

pull up your pants
write a cover letter
move to bumfuck nowhere
learn some reading comprehension

that's right. cities ftl, rural ftw

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


AnimeIsTrash posted:

list of cspam job advice:

pull up your pants
write a cover letter
move to bumfuck nowhere
learn some reading comprehension

lol

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Job hunting: *sucks rear end*

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

i say swears online posted:

in the last hour the planning committee decided on catering from olive garden but everyone attending has to contribute $10

state government owns

planning committee?!!!?? how ornate is this olive garden catered event supposed to be?

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Al! posted:

i dont like using this word or use it lightly but regular linkedin posters are subhuman

linkedin is a wonderful world free from worry or trouble :angel:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Al! posted:

ps im probably one of the foremost workday experts that doesnt work for workday ama

you're a computer toucher for HR :catstare:

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

even back when i graduated years ago having 0 experience it was better

legit the worst job situation ive seen anyway

i do recommend applying to gov jobs if possible though but they always get tons of applicants

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



The benefit of having a government job is that once you have a your foot in the system then its relatively easy to keep promoting as long as you aren't a slacker and are willing to move.

Also work culture is so much better than a loving corpo job.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Also work culture is so much better than a loving corpo job.

i dont know about that

it definitely varies my last job was gov and the culture was garbage

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Weka posted:

planning committee?!!!?? how ornate is this olive garden catered event supposed to be?

i'm hosting a family feud game between all the teams. it's going to be transcendant

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The benefit of having a government job is that once you have a your foot in the system then its relatively easy to keep promoting as long as you aren't a slacker and are willing to move.

Also work culture is so much better than a loving corpo job.

that's the plan. this place is pretty calcified and nobody likes to stick their head out. i'm gonna make myself extremely visible and try really hard then gtfo, hopefully fieldwork or 100% wfh. i make 60k right now which is by far the most i've ever made but also isn't much in downtown austin anymore. if i could make like 80k in small town texas i'd be a king


HallelujahLee posted:

even back when i graduated years ago having 0 experience it was better

legit the worst job situation ive seen anyway

i do recommend applying to gov jobs if possible though but they always get tons of applicants

we just had seven applicants for four positions on my team and had to extend offers to 1-2 people who we didn't totally want. government jobs get way fewer applicants than private sector imo, but also they're the biggest sticklers for airtight applications. lots of junked resumes for not ticking the right box or w/e

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007
have you guys tried “networking”

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Al! posted:

the bigger issue is that theres too much money to be made to not have unified recruiting systems. recruiters buy blocks of resumes from websites like indeed, which if they could just access the millions of Workday candidates they wont need.

another issue is the way Workday is structured. instead of being a database (a bunch of unrelated tables that can be queried with sql) workday is entirely object oriented and therefore customizable. a candidate at one company could have a bunch of custom data attahced to it, that would cause errors if trying to port it to another tenant. also required fields, application questionnaires etc. then theres the whole nightmare of background checks.

right now, indeed is about as unified a system as youre going to get. at least some systems integrate directly with indeed so you can just quick apply that way

that explains the different interview states and how you might be "in process" or "under consideration" from the start, right after applying. from a UX standpoint it's still "the best" out there (that I'm aware of) in terms of interview and candidacy status from the job seeker's perspective, not that it's saying too much, but greenhouse, lever, ashby, and others are all dogshit and much worse from the candidate side. too much focus goes on the company and not enough on the candidate, and in IMO they're going about solving this whole problem completely wrong for both ends. I've been thinking about this problem space a lot lately and it's immensely frustrating that no one has devised a better solution rather than just keep making lovely copycats of the same application structure.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



two random job application forms pulled to show a simple format for each. these are two completely different systems.





which is which? either way, both of these suck rear end

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Drunkboxer posted:

have you guys tried “networking”

i got a master's specifically for employment opportunities. when looking at programs i made crystal clear that they had both job fairs and direct-hire agreements with companies for graduates. in my final semester it all went up in smoke and the director of the program suggested we 'network' for jobs after graduation. our graduating class had six people

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

triple sulk posted:

I've been thinking about this problem space a lot lately and it's immensely frustrating that no one has devised a better solution rather than just keep making lovely copycats of the same application structure.

the problem is hr departments dont have a technology problem they have a fundamental strategic problem. could probably write reams about this but the key thing is nobody's bothered to rethink how to hire someone since personnel departments became hr departments over the 70s and 80s. hr leaders are focused on technology solutions, when there are huge strategic problems in every company ive ever worked for with regards to their hr departments and surprise, purging them doesnt work either.

if i was to pinpoint what the problem is exactly is that companies by and large did away with the idea of something like a probationary period in favor of focusing on the Right Hire. this is totally backwards of course. if someone is minimally qualified to perform a job you simply cannot determine anything else about them through 1-5 hours of interviews and paperwork. whether they are successful in a job or a "culture fit" depends on the structure of the organization

the reason they did away with this of course is because probationary periods are tied in closely with unions and collective bargaining agreements

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Al! posted:

the problem is hr departments dont have a technology problem they have a fundamental strategic problem. could probably write reams about this but the key thing is nobody's bothered to rethink how to hire someone since personnel departments became hr departments over the 70s and 80s. hr leaders are focused on technology solutions, when there are huge strategic problems in every company ive ever worked for with regards to their hr departments and surprise, purging them doesnt work either.

if i was to pinpoint what the problem is exactly is that companies by and large did away with the idea of something like a probationary period in favor of focusing on the Right Hire. this is totally backwards of course. if someone is minimally qualified to perform a job you simply cannot determine anything else about them through 1-5 hours of interviews and paperwork. whether they are successful in a job or a "culture fit" depends on the structure of the organization

the reason they did away with this of course is because probationary periods are tied in closely with unions and collective bargaining agreements

how's the pay working for you in HR?

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

AnimeIsTrash posted:

list of cspam job advice:

pull up your pants
write a cover letter
move to bumfuck nowhere
learn some reading comprehension

pull them up to your nips

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Al! posted:

the problem is hr departments dont have a technology problem they have a fundamental strategic problem. could probably write reams about this but the key thing is nobody's bothered to rethink how to hire someone since personnel departments became hr departments over the 70s and 80s. hr leaders are focused on technology solutions, when there are huge strategic problems in every company ive ever worked for with regards to their hr departments and surprise, purging them doesnt work either.

if i was to pinpoint what the problem is exactly is that companies by and large did away with the idea of something like a probationary period in favor of focusing on the Right Hire. this is totally backwards of course. if someone is minimally qualified to perform a job you simply cannot determine anything else about them through 1-5 hours of interviews and paperwork. whether they are successful in a job or a "culture fit" depends on the structure of the organization

the reason they did away with this of course is because probationary periods are tied in closely with unions and collective bargaining agreements

lmfao brother you work for hr

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

i say swears online posted:

we just had seven applicants for four positions on my team and had to extend offers to 1-2 people who we didn't totally want. government jobs get way fewer applicants than private sector imo, but also they're the biggest sticklers for airtight applications. lots of junked resumes for not ticking the right box or w/e

yeah you’d be surprised. I applied for this relative high honcho govt job in late 2021 and was only like 1 of 3 applicants lol. if someone who interviewed better/more experienced applied (very very low bar) I def wouldn’t have got it but hey it worked out for me.

even now it’s like maybe 3 to 18 for various positions

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Xaris posted:

yeah you’d be surprised. I applied for this relative high honcho govt job in late 2021 and was only like 1 of 3 applicants lol. if someone who interviewed better/more experienced applied (very very low bar) I def wouldn’t have got it but hey it worked out for me.

even now it’s like maybe 3 to 18 for various positions

yeah while i'm happy (and with the new hires on 1/1, my workload is about to drop dramatically), now that i've got my state government festival wristband i have the opportunity to look around. in my current job i'll start racking up certifications that will help later on. i'm not bailing yet, but something fairly autonomous, wfh, and high-ish pay is very attainable now.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Al! posted:

the reason they did away with this of course is because probationary periods are tied in closely with unions and collective bargaining agreements
that’s right, basically agreement is unions won’t bat for someone first 6/12 months. I had 12 month probation and it was not really any different post probation other than having to do a quarterly performance review. afaik pretty much no one actually fails probation unless they were truly an utter gently caress up.

its entirely a non-issue for hiring or employment at all though. I don’t think it’s a problem, I don’t think anyone is thinking “hey this sweet bennies job looks good but I’ll be on 6 months probation???!!? no thanks!”

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

AnimeIsTrash posted:

lmfao brother you work for hr

take a look at my post count before you accuse me of working

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Al! posted:

take a look at my post count before you accuse me of working

*crumples up another harassment claim and gets a three-pointer through the hoop above the wastebasket*

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Al! posted:

take a look at my post count before you accuse me of working

you have written code for and/or advised HR how to use software that exists only to discipline and harass workers

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
thats not the only purpose. job applications for example are one

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