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smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
interested in: people's sincere thoughts about the subject of posting, silly pet theories about poo poo, the cultural movements (heh) of SA, trends, historical shifts

not interested in: your gay loving grudges :sweep:

no crew bullshit

with that established, here's how pink vs gray forum posting is the i/p of SA forums, *clears throat*

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

SAD!

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
one of the reasons i felt like making a general neutral (gender neutral?) thread was seeing interesting, effortful posts from Speng and Zodium about how to manage goons and the :justpost: mindset

margie atwood wrote a fun book about a goofy experimental society in a prison colony where the citizens took turns being inmates and then jailors that i think of when i see the goofy kinda poo poo that has to go on to keep a forum sane/moving forward

two-time fee
Jan 13, 2022
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4029201&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Zodium posted:

we need croup back more than ever.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

why is that thread banished anyway?

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
mischevious ik

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Posting is basically witchcraft. We are all communing with spirits and demons recreationally. No different when our great-aunties would burn Saint candles or 5th great grandfather's pioneered Spaghetti Thursday at their Freemason meeting. Sometimes it comes in handy like when you need to reference esoteric or heretical material. It lets you meet other practitioners who help or hinder your own journey. Sometimes it teaches you a few tricks: you can craft love potions for your normies friend's okCupid profile or foretell the topic of the day for the talkshows. But it cannot be actually useful, as soon as it is useful the good spirits vacate and some capitalist demon buys out the space.

But out of all my years, everyone I witnessed making their life structured around posting basically only succeeded by contracting with Satan-tier evil beings because those the only internet spirit powerful enough to provide the amenities for a human life.

Posting is like going to parties with vampires. It's cool as gently caress, but don't invite them into your home or let them kiss your neck.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

i will allow anyone to kiss my neck

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
I came here because people still remembered who Todd MacCulloch was in the sports forums over a decade after the Sixers died, so I assume what draws me personally to these forums is there being a somewhat elevated discourse compared to the rest of the internet. The low tolerance for lazy memes (usually) and very stale arguments appeals a lot to me, and that branches out to CSPAM where you can get a bit more than the typical progressive rhetoric of, "I have criticism of Joe Biden, BUT you got to hand it to him." Do I aid in that elevation? No, I'm white noise as hell, but I appreciate references are made that are above my head sometimes, and that the sense of humor tends towards the darker side so you can say something particularly acerbic and it won't be met with blank stares.

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


this is already way more thought into the subject than it deserves imo

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Buck Wildman posted:

this is already way more thought into the subject than it deserves imo

It's no favorite ice cream, that's for sure.

(Mine's cherry cordial.)

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Probably Magic posted:

It's no favorite ice cream, that's for sure.

(Mine's cherry cordial.)

good choice I approve

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

BONGHITZ posted:

i will allow anyone to kiss my neck

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

Commence the jigglin'!

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022
simply post from the heart and dont try too hard. its not d&d. the sacred Rules exist to protect us from ourselves however

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Ohtori Akio posted:

simply post

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
posting from the heart is important, i'm starting to come around to the idea that :justpost: might be bad or at the least need to be quarantined or cordoned in some manner.

i've been on a dumb weird journey around the internet for the past 12 years or so after being based and camped up on SA since like, 2002, trying to find more stimulating or interesting posting fare

i think timeline social media is probably just unworkably aids in retrospect, after spending years on twitter. as someone who has battled addiction to substances and mostly beaten them back (weed doesn't count, ok?), and indulged in various maladaptive coping, i remember VIVIDLY the feeling of having a dumb tweet "blow up" the first time, it's like a shot of adrenaline right to the validation and endorphin core, but it's junk food validation, meaningless and empty, often as nearly anonymous as anything you can find on *chan boards (which i think we can all agree that while having produced some amazing content over the years, might be the most degenerated form of posting)

ostentatiously public posting with algorithmic driven content and drive-by validation is like a cocktail for identity eroding reaction, thoughtless, and often artless. there are a few dozen who can weather it for interesting purposes, but they're more artists actually engaging in craft, like dril or something, rather than @x420grittysocialist who is just riding on currents of energy and trying to swallow up clout while not being consumed like a weird little worm.io game

i don't know, out the other side now for the most part, it's just a vulgar form of posting/community. SA has always had incredibly Weird problems, but there's never really been a lack of people earnestly trying to make the place better and keep moving forward, even when the world really sucks and a lot of the posters are anxious, scared, and acting out (peak trump/covid era) and we're mostly getting back to what feels like a somewhat more solid surface since all the lowtax poo poo

SA legit saved my life at least once, when i was facing homelessness after getting hosed over by a landlord and needed to buy a lease in a pinch, all i can offer in return is trying to be funny or make dumb 'shops and try to foster understanding and chill when people get to aggro, idk.

ok, that's like essay 1 of 762 that has been blowing around my dumb brain about online culture/community/posting, thank you for indulging my gay rear end

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022
i actually read that for some reason and i think all it comes down to is you should be trying to tell an actual joke you think is actually funny when making an unserious post. youre getting closer to the right posting focus but you could use a better filter. post from the heart doesnt mean post every stray thought. do not take this to mean you should excessively effortpost

Gravid Topiary
Feb 16, 2012

smarxist posted:

posting from the heart is important, i'm starting to come around to the idea that :justpost: might be bad or at the least need to be quarantined or cordoned in some manner.

i've been on a dumb weird journey around the internet for the past 12 years or so after being based and camped up on SA since like, 2002, trying to find more stimulating or interesting posting fare

i think timeline social media is probably just unworkably aids in retrospect, after spending years on twitter. as someone who has battled addiction to substances and mostly beaten them back (weed doesn't count, ok?), and indulged in various maladaptive coping, i remember VIVIDLY the feeling of having a dumb tweet "blow up" the first time, it's like a shot of adrenaline right to the validation and endorphin core, but it's junk food validation, meaningless and empty, often as nearly anonymous as anything you can find on *chan boards (which i think we can all agree that while having produced some amazing content over the years, might be the most degenerated form of posting)

ostentatiously public posting with algorithmic driven content and drive-by validation is like a cocktail for identity eroding reaction, thoughtless, and often artless. there are a few dozen who can weather it for interesting purposes, but they're more artists actually engaging in craft, like dril or something, rather than @x420grittysocialist who is just riding on currents of energy and trying to swallow up clout while not being consumed like a weird little worm.io game

i don't know, out the other side now for the most part, it's just a vulgar form of posting/community. SA has always had incredibly Weird problems, but there's never really been a lack of people earnestly trying to make the place better and keep moving forward, even when the world really sucks and a lot of the posters are anxious, scared, and acting out (peak trump/covid era) and we're mostly getting back to what feels like a somewhat more solid surface since all the lowtax poo poo

SA legit saved my life at least once, when i was facing homelessness after getting hosed over by a landlord and needed to buy a lease in a pinch, all i can offer in return is trying to be funny or make dumb 'shops and try to foster understanding and chill when people get to aggro, idk.

ok, that's like essay 1 of 762 that has been blowing around my dumb brain about online culture/community/posting, thank you for indulging my gay rear end

are you dying smarxist or have you always been this earnest and i never noticed

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Ohtori Akio posted:

i actually read that for some reason and i think all it comes down to is you should be trying to tell an actual joke you think is actually funny when making an unserious post. youre getting closer to the right posting focus but you could use a better filter. post from the heart doesnt mean post every stray thought. do not take this to mean you should excessively effortpost

oh yeah, I know I have a posting diarrhea problem, that's kind of another holdover from deranged twitter days (when I say I was lost in the sauce and all plugged in to the left twitter poo poo i mean fr fr, like the dumb following and (not)ironic "brand considerations" about content, throwing dumb poo poo out and reeling it back in/deleting it, freight training into threads to holler poo poo and try to get a reaction instead of serving a purpose or having a dialogue.

having hung around the past few years and absorbed/considered all the complaints of people who never really left SA or never really got sucked into timeline social media, nearly ALL of the bad poo poo is culture clash between the two approaches (imo).

the entire arc is kind of funny, you used to pay $10 to get on to SA for the privilege of being able to engage with and make thoughtful/interesting/funny conversation, and you'd get bounced for failing to do so

timeline social media came along and was like a bargain from the devil to commodify your own thoughts and identity easily, on the hopes of ascending to some kind of influencer existence where you could somehow make a "living" being a snarky crabass online. tons of people kinda shot their shot and flamed out, but it's a really hosed up way to arrange your life, especially if you're the basic "nerd" archetype who has challenges being or finding social outlets, trying to make socializing into a game with moneyed stakes, or treating it like a job, in addition to presumably doing whatever you ALSO do for a job, everyone just turning themselves out for marketers

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Gravid Topiary posted:

are you dying smarxist or have you always been this earnest and i never noticed



fake edit: i know i'm a loud jackass type person, but i'm generally always pretty sincere/earnest, i really do give a poo poo about this community and love engaging with pretty much everyone here, even if it gets a little slapfighty sometimes

i've done a lot of ego-tearing down and slate clearing as part of wiping twitter's dogshit off my heels and out of my brain

real edit:
however i'm trying to be very general about my journey as a reforming twitter junkie, not the hades comic dude, so i don't want to make any of this thread specifically about me, more on SA/posting/trends and actual deep thoughts about socialization on the internet in the age of isolation/alienation

i have a quarter of a thesis forming in my brain about identity commodification in general

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022
what youre experiencing is that people are genuinely invested in your posting improving, because its clear that jeff wont permaban you as requested. we are stuck with you it would seem. oim sure theres another kind of posting dynamics chat to be had.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
To take this on another track, just because it interests me (or annoys me, I dunno), you keep referring to timeline media, and that makes me think of how the two major sites for that approach (twitter and facebook) both nuked their timelines in favor of unwieldy algorithm chasing that leads to poo poo like no longer relevant posts bopping into your face five days later. Feels counterproductive to the whole endorphin-chasing of realtime engagement, of being abreast on the latest thing right now. I wonder if they just took lessons from malls, who frequently didn't have clocks inside in order to create a timeless, neverending shopping moment where people wouldn't realize how much time they wasted, and thought, "Better transfer that to social media." But it just doesn't work. Versus SA which ends up being much more addicting precisely because it emulates that realtime engagement again.

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Probably Magic posted:

But it just doesn't work.

tiktok and instagram beg to differ

even if facebook and twitter are dying, it's not because of The Algorithm

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


BONGHITZ posted:

i will allow anyone to kiss my neck

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
dont try to steal fnlns thing

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

Howwwwdy partner. Commence the jigglin’!

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

tiktok and instagram beg to differ

even if facebook and twitter are dying, it's not because of The Algorithm

Video sites don't seem to operate on the same timeline logic as facebook or twitter, but I could be wrong because I don't follow them, maybe there is some chronological element to them that gets interrupted but that the users don't mind.

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Probably Magic posted:

Video sites don't seem to operate on the same timeline logic as facebook or twitter, but I could be wrong because I don't follow them, maybe there is some chronological element to them that gets interrupted but that the users don't mind.

they certainly aren't chronological, and are algorithmically designed to maximize time users spend in the app, so what difference do you see

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

My posting philosophy is to post from the heart and to not hold grudges over petty poo poo - I've discovered that even someone as white noise as myself wound up having some folks that to this day are still annoyed over benign pop culture takes I expressed like 5-10 years ago, so I can only imagine how deranged it can get with popular posters.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

they certainly aren't chronological, and are algorithmically designed to maximize time users spend in the app, so what difference do you see

Well, with Facebook, it's usually personal acquaintances, and finding out how they're doing six days ago instead of right now seems counterproductive, while Twitter operates on a lot of notification culture, like that some stream is going up or another, which the non-chronological element seems to screw up. I guess I more see algorithms working for some media more than others, because youtube holes are real, but imagine if SA wasn't chronological - it'd be maddening.

I guess I just don't think it works for text sites very well, and using my personal bias as a guide there.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
I came here to lol.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Ohtori Akio posted:

i actually read that for some reason and i think all it comes down to is you should be trying to tell an actual joke you think is actually funny when making an unserious post. youre getting closer to the right posting focus but you could use a better filter. post from the heart doesnt mean post every stray thought. do not take this to mean you should excessively effortpost

some threads or moments within a thread deserve a funny joke. some threads or moments within a thread deserve the least funny joke i can think of, or something that is going to derail it entirely. sometimes a thread deserves to have someone squat on it and poo poo diarrhea into it until it's fundamentally changed, maybe for the better but not usually for the worse

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
I think the problem with making GBS threads up threads you don't like is it becomes an addiction (to tie-in with endorphin chat) and pretty soon every thread's first page is a column of :gas: or similar sentiments like some of the worst eras of GBS. Better to let things die or even allow them space to revive themselves than appoint yourself a forum's personal arbiter and executioner.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

smarxist posted:

having hung around the past few years and absorbed/considered all the complaints of people who never really left SA or never really got sucked into timeline social media, nearly ALL of the bad poo poo is culture clash between the two approaches (imo).

In the last five years or so the absolute worst type of SA posting that CSPAM (not exclusively) was rife with for years was people just using it as an extension of Twitter. THis is why some people still want to ban twitter embeds.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
The first time you get a hit tweet is intoxicating. It's like riding the white dragon, that first sublime hit of heroin.



Wish I could bottle that feeling, but I have been shadow banned and don't get engagement anymore

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
if you have ever made a twitter account you should have an icon by your username warning other people about your nature

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Probably Magic posted:

To take this on another track, just because it interests me (or annoys me, I dunno), you keep referring to timeline media, and that makes me think of how the two major sites for that approach (twitter and facebook) both nuked their timelines in favor of unwieldy algorithm chasing that leads to [increased profiteering]
social media is fundamentally bad whether it’s timeline or algo but algo is definitely worse. however, it’s better for shoveling ads into eyeballs and cybernetic propaganda and influencing. hence it’s here to stay

this is a hot take but I think Reddit has way more potential than even SA because it can be neatly discretized into niches and “topic subs”, like let’s say the cspam [BOOKS] thread moved at 1000 posts per hour, instead it’d be its own sub and then sub-discussions neatly in threads. however, and this is a big one, it’s entirely ruined by the updoot and rating-based nested-posting. that just absolutely destroys it dead in the tracks. so welp

still better than discord aids (unless it’s used exclusively for MP gaming or chatting with <5 friends using it like AIM-ICQ)

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Cuttlefush posted:

if you have ever made a twitter account you should have an icon by your username warning other people about your nature

5$ to add or remove your own bluecheck mark. 10$ to add or remove anyone's bluecheck mark.

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KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Buying my own bluecheck and riling up SAD to protect me from the hate crime

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