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ruddiger posted:When they showed his second alias I joked he’d use George Jefferson and Bart Simpson too and was disappointed I only got one of them. Using Lou Grant, from a show that ended when Michael Fassbender was 5 years old was pretty random too. If this was the kind of movie where the police did investigations that's the sort of dumb poo poo that gets you caught.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:If I listened to The Smiths all the time I'd probably kill people too. It fit perfectly with the character.
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I didn’t love it, and I have a lot of respect for the people involved
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Fassbender played the character as a hyper-competent dipshit and I thought that was just great. The constant narration was important because without that we just have a hitman who fucks up and then tries to fix things (and hey, I'm not about to say bad things about Le Samourai), but with it we get a character who isn't nearly as intelligent or in control as he thinks he is and is constantly engaging in self-delusion, while still managing to be pretty drat great at what he does. He's not dissimilar to the protagonist from Fight Club in a lot of ways. Honestly I think the entire movie's effectiveness hinges on whether the hitman's shtick hits you as funny or annoying.
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“Ahh, the Sunshine State. Where else can you find so many like-minded individuals, outside of a penitentiary?”
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CeeJee posted:Using Lou Grant, from a show that ended when Michael Fassbender was 5 years old was pretty random too. If this was the kind of movie where the police did investigations that's the sort of dumb poo poo that gets you caught. I dunno, I know the theme is about how he's more of a fuckup than he thinks but a bunch of random murders/poisonings/'accidents' across a bunch of random countries probably isn't gonna get him caught because the name on his passport is from a decades old sitcom Like the zodiac got away with it because cops is neighboring counties wouldn't even work together lol
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I realize this movie is not for everybody, but I quite enjoyed it. There is so much humor. The “gently caress!” in the opening scene. His incorrect prediction on how long it would take three nails to the chest to kill his handler. His aliases all being from old sitcoms. The cheese grater. “When was the last time I had a nice, quiet drowning?” A lot of this stuff was straight out of a Barry episode. I wouldn’t put it in my top three Finchers, but I liked it a lot. MrMojok fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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Others have pointed it out, and its a theme in the source material as well: even though he's narrating about how much of a competent killer is and that he doesn't give a gently caress: we are immediately shown that not only is he not as competent as he thinks he is, he also extremely gives a gently caress about things. His whole "I belong to no country, no flag" ethos goes right out the window once someone close to him is hurt. The comedy comes from him trying to keep up this illusion, and repeating his method and plan and just actively going against it at almost every turn. Tilda Swinton's speech is a direct confrontation of the narrative he tells himself. Killing her to tie up loose ends is a lie that he's telling himself and the real reason he's there, and that he'd even risk such a direct encounter is because his pride was hurt and he spends the entire movie trying to act like that's not the case and it's extremely obvious it is. It's about a dude who thinks he's Agent 47 and in reality he's just a regular guy who also happens to be really good at murdering people. My only negative with this movie is that I wish Trent Reznor's OST was more prominent but I got a kick out of the guys meditation music being morrisey lmao
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Ghosthotel posted:My only negative with this movie is that I wish Trent Reznor's OST was more prominent but I got a kick out of the guys meditation music being morrisey lmao
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ShoogaSlim posted:saw this last night in LA and went in with super high expectations since Fincher is my favorite director. he has some big swing-and-miss movies for me, but when he hits, he tends to knock it out of the park. Quote replying just to say you basically echoed 99% of my sentiments on the film. An enjoyable watch, but there was a lot that just didn't seem to follow especially The Killer's actions versus his words. I really enjoyed the sound design especially during the Florida fight, those punches and crunches LAND.
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MaoistBanker posted:a lot that just didn't seem to follow especially The Killer's actions versus his words To me, I think this was sort of the point of the film, the contrast between the killer who is kind of a dork who thinks he's in absolute control and the events that play out that don't always go exactly as he has planned. I hope that doesn't come off as condescending, I don't mean to say "well, you just didn't get it." I saw Danny O'Dwyer on twitter, who I really like, say that this movie is "a great movie if you want to watch Michael Fassbender stylishly murder people for 2 hours and then never think about it again" and I kinda wondered if we'd seen the same movie. I think there's definitely stuff left to think about regarding control and lack of it and why he's continued his profession once money just became a thing that let him do his job better. Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned the film being a reflection of Fincher's perfectionism and I think the money thing fits into that too. I may be wrong here, but I think Fincher could probably just not make any more movies and live comfortably for the rest of his days. He's likely not making these movies to pay the bills, he's making what he wants to make and trying to make the most perfect version of that thing that he can make (and in the end it's never going to be absolutely perfect because nothing ever is).
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I thought this was great just as a noir-ish thriller with a little sprinkled on top, best netflix film in a long long time. I quite enjoyed the tech bro productivity cult angle that ran throughout. Shame the Equinox check didn't clear.
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I thought this was great, if thin. But I'd watch any amount of well made/acted/shot procedural hitman movies.
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was made aware on Twitter of this limited run Blu-ray https://sloppysecondsales.com/index.php/product/limited-run-the-killer-2023-region-free-bluray-david-fincher/ e. They are bootleg afaik Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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Ghosthotel posted:My only negative with this movie is that I wish Trent Reznor's OST was more prominent but I got a kick out of the guys meditation music being morrisey lmao The sound design was so good, and a good way of subconsciously hinting to the audience that we're seeing everything from his perspective. Between that and all the product placement (do you think Amazon actually paid for theirs??) and the self delusional narrator there were definite Fight Club 2: Louder for those at the Back vibes to it.
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Sound mixing was sick. It’s the kinda poo poo that you buy big rear end speakers for. Opening scene did more sound design than anything else I’ve seen in the past decade. That aside, this sucked. I wish this had gone one of two ways: 1. Romantic antihero, a la Drive. They already have the music. And Fassbender could absolutely pull it off. That he’s completely unredeeming here is insanely boring. 2. Satire, like Jason Statham in Spy. It’d have been brilliant if all the endless internal monologues about how to be a sick assassin were punctuated by elementary mistakes. That’s basically what the first chapter already is. Stick to the plan, be a total pro, get your heart rate down to 65… aaaand snipe the hooker in the asscheek. I laughed my rear end off.
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Vegetable posted:
Most of the movie is that already to some degree.
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Well I didn't pause to check my phone at any point watching that which is more than I can say for most things these days. Way too much product placement though.
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I doubt WeWork or McDonald's were lining up to advertise their products being used by an immoral hitman, I thought it added to the humor if anything. Like what kind of sicko removes the muffin from a McMuffin?
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Cacator posted:I doubt WeWork or McDonald's were lining up to advertise their products being used by an immoral hitman, I thought it added to the humor if anything. Like what kind of sicko removes the muffin from a McMuffin? I'd buy that if it weren't Netflix. They seem to cram more of it in their stuff than anyone else. Fincher makes it work though. In a Fight Club/American Psycho way.
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Yeah the product placement is part of the joke of it all. He's getting tools to kill people from Amazon and tracking them through Doordash or Postmates.
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Cacator posted:Like what kind of sicko removes the muffin from a McMuffin? i think trump literally does that lol
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Killer just wants the protein & is on a keto diet.
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Eatin gas station hardboiled eggs in the car like a sicko.
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Pretty big Fincher stan here and this was, like, ok. I got the commentary about this perfectionist that immediately fucks up massively after pretentiously monologuing about rules for a perfect assassin, that's neat. But I didn't know or care about anyone in this movie getting murdered, including the girlfriend or the main character. And I'm sure that was an intentional choice to not spend any time on characters, but it made it hard for me to get invested in anything that's happening. Will this random guy in Florida that I've never seen before get killed, or will he successfully fight back against the hired killer we just saw murder an innocent person? Will sparing the last guy be a mistake? I dunno, whatever. Cinematography, sound design, all the execution basically was great, some scenes and fights were too, but overall I can't say I felt much in the end.
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stev posted:I'd buy that if it weren't Netflix. They seem to cram more of it in their stuff than anyone else. The whole movie felt like a spiritual sequel to Fight Club.
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Speaking of Fight Club sequel, has anybody here read Fight Club 2? I bought it, read it, and even had Chuck Palahniuk sign it when he was at the Hollywood Theater for a Fight Club screening, and for the life of me I can't remember what plot of the book.
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After watching this movie I rewatched The Social Network on Netflix, which is still great. That movie made me feel more emotions for Harvard as an institution than I felt for any of the characters in this movie. Granted it doesn't seem to be the stated goal of this movie to make you feel many feelings other than some excitement and some glee at how the protagonist screws up, but maybe it could have tried to reach deeper into the emotional well.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Speaking of Fight Club sequel, has anybody here read Fight Club 2? I have. It feels like the beginning of the current metacommentary sequel trend and is mostly unremarkable for all the same reasons. Its greatest value comes from being able to say wild-rear end but true sentences about the plot like Tyler Durden turns out to be the leader of ISIS and Marla founds a resistance group of child soldiers to oppose him which I mean more as an insult than a compliment. There is also a Fight Club 3 that I genuinely have never met anybody who’s ever read it, even online.
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Cacator posted:I doubt WeWork or McDonald's were lining up to advertise their products being used by an immoral hitman, I thought it added to the humor if anything. Like what kind of sicko removes the muffin from a McMuffin? I'm kind of curious which companies paid for the placement. WeWork I'm guessing not, but did Amazon really pay for the dude to order knockoff key fob copiers? And if they're using brands without being paid/permission, why did they rename the Equinox gyms at the end? e: Handy list OK the ones I'd be most amazed if they're paid for are Paslode and Ryobi. like wtf. There's also an autobiographical aspect to it, since Fincher started off doing ads and music videos
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I think Fincher also just likes using real brands wherever possible. One detail that I always liked about Girl With The Dragon Tattoo was that a lot of Blomkvist’s investigations was just him using a MacBook to look at photos in iPhoto. It probably would have been cheaper to do a fake interface, which is what literally every other movie does, but that’s just not how Fincher rolls. Whenever you see a fake computer thing in a movie, it takes you out of it, even if just for a second, and I feel he always strives for a sense of immersion at all times.
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fishing with the fam posted:Eatin gas station hardboiled eggs in the car like a sicko. I think that was the most horrific thing in the movie.
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He could have organically gassed that taxi driver and make it look like a sulfur accident.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:The person Fassbender keeps alive is arguably the worst person of all
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the killer cut out all the middlemen so that he could get direct access to the guys that sign the checks
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A lot of good points are being made here about this being a surprise black comedy. I loved it. The product placement relates to the through line of the film. This guy thinks he's Agent 47, and to be fair, he is confirmed to be a multimillionaire assassin with passports and guns hidden at drops all over the world. So while he's doing his badass superspy voiceover, he's busy eating McDonald's breakfast just like any other dipshit. He solves the problem of infiltrating the billionaire's penthouse in the finale the same way any of us solve our mundane problems: by dropping another $40 for some poo poo on Amazon. His superpower is being able to sit in his car outside of someone's house for 24 hours and just wait for a good time to walk in and kill them. For all of his skills and abilities, he's still a very ordinary guy. Somewhat related, one of the clues early on that he's full of poo poo is that he's presenting himself as this perfectly stoic figure who only listens to music to improve his mental focus and then he exclusively listens to Morrissey.
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This was pretty solid. The inner monologuing is really funny. I think he scene where he breaks into the dudes house and the fight ensues is my favorite bit.
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Clever Moniker posted:A lot of good points are being made here about this being a surprise black comedy. I loved it. One detail I found interesting was that the rich guy at the end mentioned he had paid an extra $150,000 to have the protaganist taken out . After costs and the lawyer's cut that seems like a very bad deal for Tilda Swinton and the other dude? Is the protagonist getting similar deals, grinding out murder gigs taking enormous risks for himself for substantial but not incredible sums of money? He keeps telling us that he's rich and transfers several million from the bank near the end but who knows how much of that is just his self image.
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