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Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Zamujasa posted:

Regulate it out of existence. You won't be able to get rid of it all, sure, but with things like "anything AI-generated is uncopyrightable" it'll become less palatable, and especially if any of the lawsuits currently investigating "hey your training data just slurped up a bunch of copyrighted poo poo illegally" pan out against AI it could change pretty quick.

jurisdictions exist in the world other than the US and EU, so even if you can convince legislators to cripple their domestic industry and hand an advantage to China or whomever, other places are still gonna develop that poo poo

you can't very well stop digital products at the border either (US states are sorta trying with TikTok, but going to fail spectacularly in the courts), as we learned during the 90s export crypto nonsense--you may stop domestic firms from exporting it as part of a complete system, but that just means they lose out on the sales after it's inevitably transferred to someone outside your jurisdiction who can build the code into their own hardware

such restrictions can work to slow down other parts of the world in developing, say, semiconductors, since those require immensely complicated and expensive physical facilities (and there's indeed an argument the US did so to hinder Chinese AI work), but the code/model portion is just copy/paste

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Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
peacocks are the superior rear end in a top hat guard bird

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

the author is a systems engineer at a payments company and not a policy person or lawyer, so not the best source. the EFF page unfortunately stuffs their actual analysis behind a link. anyway, have an actual policy person:



https://bsky.app/profile/jcperrino.bsky.social/post/3ke6cxniknt2z

missing from the EFF analysis is the key bit about "more narrowly tailored than state legislation". legislation of this sort is already being drafted or enacted at the state level, and many of those are actually worse (even here in gay communist california, thanks <my state senator>) and do have actual age verification requirements (strangely, companies that provide age verification systems sing praises of them to legislators). the bill isn't good (save the children laws often aren't), but it may make sense as a tactical move to try and preempt more onerous legislation in, say, Texas or Florida with a common federal standard (it is, however, a bit late and probably won't stop the more determined culture war states anyway)

Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Nov 15, 2023

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Arrath posted:

welp I thought REI was cool, so much for that.

REI is designed to be superficially appealing to its customer base. the people that buy expensive touch grass gear generally like the idea of a coop

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Acebuckeye13 posted:

One important thing to keep in mind about Black Pride, LGBT Pride, or even Irish/Italian pride to a degree, is that these movements were created in opposition to prevailing cultural narratives telling them that who they were was shameful and lesser compared to the white anglo-saxon protestant majority. Pride is a rallying cry of the oppressed, and white pride literally cannot exist in that context because they're the ones doing the oppressing.

my read is that white pride is more clinging to some innate, if essentially meaningless quality in opposition to an other. one can claim membership in a nebulous community via visible characteristics that bind oneself to a larger whole that has no broader cohesion (in the sense that a nation does) but does share those arbitrary characteristics. those characteristics are not shared by those with generally worse social status, so you can attribute that status to their lack of that characteristic rather than, idk, more complicated socioeconomic forces in effect over the past hundred or so years, or the entirety of history, as far as your peanut brain is concerned

this is particularly meaningful if your life is otherwise poo poo: you can find "pride" in the fact that, if nothing else, you're part of the inherently better group. in less flowery language, losers desperately try to find something that demonstrates they're actually secretly a winner. for some people this is the superiority of their race, for others it's knowing "the truth" (conspiracy theories), others belief in the true faith (religious bigotry), etc.. humans are exceptional egotists, and exist in a very inequal world

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Herstory Begins Now posted:

I agree with this in spirit but I think this perspective particularly misses the point wrt actually understanding neo-nazi and white nationalist individuals and groups and its integration within the business/local/state/national power structure. Yeah they're losers but they're very often in powerful positions in the establishment power structure and if they were merely powerless assholes who just wanted to feel important it would be a huge improvement. It almost definitionally is not something that people are into because they have nothing and their lives are poo poo. Much of what is so damaging about it is that it specifically is people who are integrated into their communities, who have seemingly good lives*, who are in powerful positions and are able to use those to make things easier for their side and harder for everyone else. It's often people who are socially and/or economically on top who come from families that have been doing well for a long time. If anything a lot of it seems to come out of a worldview that recognizes someone will always be on the bottom and you really, really do not want that to be you. 'white pride' is functionally more of a shibboleth for the above than necessarily a literal statement, though sometimes it also is said literally, too.

how the actual groups recruit is another story, those definitely are going after people without much going for them and will take basically anyone that they think might be useful to them, which is basically just gangs 101, but those groups are really the tip of the iceberg wrt the greater problem of neonazis and white nationalists

i guess outside my normal wheelhouse, though i'd be curious how the social elites end up in that sphere too, and to what extent they're true believers (at least at the outset) or morally flexible sorts who couldn't find a "good" power/profit base and realized you can hella grift off the lumpenazitariat if you offer an uh.... alternative viewpoint. you maybe fail at working your way into traditional power structures but find you can totally build one elsewhere if you're willing to sell a bitta soul

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Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
tbf as much as i like it as an interesting work of art, i do not think i would recommend The Power Of Nightmares as curricula. you could maybe swing it as a good hook to get kids interested in history. it's definitely entertaining, but rigorous it ain't. you could build a curriculum around it, but lol at the idea of high school history having that much time to focus on that narrow of a subject and cover enough sources to contextualize it with drier sources

now, if your high school somehow has a video media production course, it'd be great for that

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