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The Finn posted:That match generated like 500 new posts in a few hours, and I read every one like a retired bus driver who still rides the loop on a sunday
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FullLeatherJacket posted:like a retired bus driver who still rides the loop on a sunday Wow, mods E: Sorry, misread
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i didn't watch it so maybe they were clear as day but LOL that spurs got 2 red cards in a match when they are starting to look like they might fight for the title. it's so predictable
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tbp posted:i didn't watch it so maybe they were clear as day but LOL that spurs got 2 red cards in a match when they are starting to look like they might fight for the title. it's so predictable both the guys that got sent off deserved it and could easily have been sent off even earlier
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tbp posted:i didn't watch it so maybe they were clear as day but LOL that spurs got 2 red cards in a match when they are starting to look like they might fight for the title. it's so predictable wrong thread
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Nov 7, 2023 21:45
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ah, spurs once again doing something spursy, such a stereotypical and oft-repeated trait that the club's name has become synonymous with the act of loving up in comical ways, truly this is additional evidence to support a vast and nefarious conspiracy
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tbp posted:i didn't watch it so maybe they were clear as day but LOL that spurs got 2 red cards in a match when they are starting to look like they might fight for the title. it's so predictable they were indeed clear as day, tbp
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they were so clear as day, that spurs couldn't even complain about VAR. VAR had already given two-three quite controversial decisions in their favour
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tbp posted:i didn't watch it so maybe they were clear as day but LOL that spurs got 2 red cards in a match when they are starting to look like they might fight for the title. it's so predictable Don't forget injuries to 2 of their most important players
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Nov 8, 2023 02:57
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Jose posted:Don't forget injuries to 2 of their most important players in hindsight the conspiracy should have been obvious when Michael Oliver pulled out an axe and chopped off Van de Ven's leg
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https://apnews.com/article/luis-diaz-liverpool-striker-father-released-kidnapping-3b607ca5e97ce11508bcae01d12664e1quote:BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — Colombia’s government announced Thursday that the father of Liverpool striker Luis Díaz was released, 12 days after his kidnapping in northern Colombia by members of the guerrilla group National Liberation Army, or ELN.
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Thanks Ants posted:Good news Agreed. It can take time to recover from a literal nightmare scenario, but I still think he's going to score a hat trick the next time he plays.
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Richarlison is having surgery, maddison is apparently out for months rather than weeks. VdV is months out also. In other words rip spurs for this season. Short term its going to be brutal as well, with a load of kids coming in vs wolves and city (lol).
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Nov 10, 2023 11:36
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Wolves don't have Neto though which should be a silver lining for Spurs fans. What was Maddison's injury that is keeping him out for that long?
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Jippa posted:Richarlison is having surgery, maddison is apparently out for months rather than weeks. VdV is months out also. In other words rip spurs for this season. I got both Udogie and Maddison my fpl team is fuuuucccccckkkked.
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Thanks Ants posted:Wolves don't have Neto though which should be a silver lining for Spurs fans. Ankle I think.
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Newcastle and man united have like most of their first team injured too. Curious
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Jose posted:Newcastle and man united have like most of their first team injured too. Curious Almost as if the players are being ran into the ground and UEFA/FIFA need to gently caress the gently caress off.
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TheRat posted:Almost as if the players are being ran into the ground and UEFA/FIFA need to gently caress the gently caress off. Nah that can't be it, let's add 20 minutes more playing time to every match
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TheRat posted:Almost as if the players are being ran into the ground and UEFA/FIFA need to gently caress the gently caress off. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if we can afford it.
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vyelkin posted:Nah that can't be it, let's add 20 minutes more playing time to every match I like this part, but they should get rid of all international matches
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Eddie Howe is not mad about not being allowed to loan players from the Saudi league https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/10/newcastle-will-oppose-premier-league-rule-to-block-transfers-says-howe
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the fixture list for premier league teams is completely silly re: spurs chels i thought the officiating was mostly ok except that VAR takes forever and each team had a goal ruled out for offside which were only offside in that players which weren't really doing anything to provoke a goal were in offside positions at some point. iirc manu got a goal chalked off this way a bit ago as well idk who thought that getting VAR to spend five minutes looking for excuses to call a goal offside was a good idea but it was probably someone with a genuinely outrageous salary
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I would like to impotently point out that I've been saying this since the start, when man city suffered a few comedy var decisions and I realised how much joy it sucked out of the game to not be able to full-throatedly celebrate goals, and I was fairly roundly mocked at the time
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The pre-VAR refereeing situation was awful. Refs were consistently butchering title-deciding games and getting obvious offside decision wrong. They had no way to catch things that happened outside their eyeline. They could be corrupt and easily chalk it down to circumstance. They literally never got better. That loose way of things was only compatible with a world that couldn’t rewatch replays in a thousand different angles. For all its faults VAR at least has a clear path to improvement. Better technology, more cameras, clearer communication, more transparency, sharper processes, better trained personnel. You could throw money at this problem and arrive at an unequivocally better outcome. It’s crazy to wish away VAR.
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nah it has fairly obvious structural issues which i don't see being resoled with the present political economy of the game. since introduction it's gotten worse, not better, as we can see with these frankly destructive recent offside decisions my hot take on it is that the main point of VAR is to make football a safer financial investment, meaning that it is there to make it so that the team with the most resources wins. that means that entertainment, immediacy or even reasonableness are secondary to being a well-drilled squad which is always in proper position. the more randomness can be removed and the higher the level of precision can be demanded, the less risk you have of your investment just not panning out. there are cases of simple mismanagement, of course (hello glazers) but in general the trend of increasing pedantic enforcement of rules is going to continue because it makes basic sense to the way most of the people with seats at the big table think. there's no incentive to improve, because the way the markets see it football supporters are basically a captive audience anyway and haven't got anywhere else to go; that means that money is being left on the table. the alternative is a world in which you accept a fairly large degree of human error in officiating. in my opinion, this is not really a problem for the game as such so long as it's effectively random/home field advantage, i.e. not actively corrupt.
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VAR or not, you’ll have clubs being found out for paying 7m euro to the head of the refereeing body and poo poo like that, so on balance I’d rather have the old corruption back maybe? VAR has cost the game a dose of immediacy in its drama for sure.
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I don't think VAR will ever be popular with people attending matches in person because waiting around for a result ruins the atmosphere. But matchday revenue is like 15% of EPL club income at this point so the clubs are going to prioritise the TV experience. If they can unfuck VAR to the point where the reviews annoy TV viewers less than bungled decisions do it will stick around forever. Its not hard to see them getting to that point by bringing in automated offsides/ball out of play calls and by limiting the number of allowed VAR reviews per game.
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kri kri posted:The game is better without var just scrap it this is mostly how i feel. pilot it in lower leagues and use it as an excuse to invest money in them. there needs to be systems to decrease time taken and increase decision accuracy. i do think things like offside and ball outages should be fully covered by cameras and automated. i was typing a bunch of anti-conspiracy stuff, but as i think about it, it is not impossible the refs got a "play nice with the middle east clubs" memo, considering the national consideration of the Newcastle buyout. Some may have taken it to heart. I doubt there is any direct money involved. but any active refs should probably be banned from travelling abroad (outside of FIFA stuff). i've always been a big proponent for paying refs way more money but holding them to a higher standard. Bea Nanner fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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The idea that VAR enables bias is kinda nuts. Bias used to be easy. You made a decision and that was it. You could explain any weird decision as a mistake. Now there’s a whole other group of people who has to be in on it, and those people have far less excuse for getting it wrong.
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also, remember when refs gave goals that hit the side netting and didnt give ones that went through the goal netting? those sort of egregious errors do seem have been eliminated.
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I watched a few matches of the Rugby World Cup and they seemed to do pretty well with their version of VAR. One of the big differences was that the game clock is stopped while they're doing a VAR check so the refs wouldn't feel under time pressure to make a rushed decision. I don't think that's a useful comparison to football, but the other big difference was that the television audience could see and hear the ref and the VAR talking to one another, so you could understand their full decision-making process and know you were seeing exactly what they were seeing. That might help make the VAR process a little less mystifying, and also force the refs to act professionally because they know they're being broadcast live to millions of people. Do that and change offside to either the automated World Cup rear end cam or do the thing with the thick lines where if they're touching it's close enough, and see if those two changes make VAR tolerable.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Would adding more on field refs help at all to catch more stuff in real time They added touchline refs in the champions league for about 2 or maybe 3 years. They still missed blatant poo poo right in front of them and one problem I remember was that they didn't want to overrule the head ref so they just stood there with their magic wands (what were those things?) and waited patiently for sir to ask them if they had seen anything.
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Bea Nanner posted:also, remember when refs gave goals that hit the side netting and didnt give ones that went through the goal netting? those sort of egregious errors do seem have been eliminated. Hawkeye failed three seasons ago because a man was stood in front of a sensor, on a football pitch, while playing football. VAR chose not to look at it
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