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One thing I liked about some iteration of the Ukraine threads is that the OP had some common recurring topics where good/fresh viewpoints were unlikely summarized and banned from being re-litigated in the thread. I know having the greatest hits banned can be off putting for non regular posters, but I also don't think anybody has anything interesting new to say on the the ethics regarding not voting or violent resistance. Some contentious topics are also so toxic that even mentioning them seems like a troll at this point and its often the people who get heated responding that catch probes rather than the instigator which feels real bad. The whole notion already falls under II. B. 1, so it would really just be a more rigorous statement of what is "fresh."
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Stringent posted:Going to take the counter position and say, please, please, three times please, make Discendo Vox a moderator. This sounds like a permaban with extra steps.
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Nov 5, 2023 05:09
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Jakabite posted:I also strongly agree with this. Outright banning linking to violent content in a thread about a literal war smacks of ‘let us opine about these things, but gently caress you if you make me face the reality of what it is I’m opining about’. Ultimately I think if you’re going to sound off about horrendously violent events, you shouldn’t shy away from seeing them. It grounds us in the reality of it and stops it being a game. OwlFancier phrased it better anyhow I think that is wishful thinking, posting dead bodies in a topic has not really changed anybody's mind on anything in the past. People can always justify it away and it just makes the thread worse off. It usually just serves to start a 2 minutes hate, which can be cathartic, but not really in a healthy way. We all wish we can make people change their minds based on atrocity, but real reckoning doesn't happen this way.
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Nov 5, 2023 18:51
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VitalSigns posted:It's because D&D operates off of a very middle-class definition of rudeness. Calmly and icily arguing for the deaths of millions of people with a thesaurus in hand and a self-satisfied tone is not rude, it's intellectual drawing room conversation. Getting angry at or, worse, passing moral judgment on someone else in the room, is rude. While I agree with the sentiment, it's unclear what you actually want. People are complaining about contrarian posters not being punished enough, and you are complaining about contrarian posters being punished too much while responding to the same point. I'm not sure where the contradiction lies. I don't think it's a moderation thing that posts going against the grain get a lot of hate engagement. I would consider it a fail when discussion is no longer happening, which is not just a function of the topic but also tone, but that's just how humans operate in a social setting. Or is this another opportunity to soapbox about the general opinion of the forum?
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Nov 5, 2023 19:24
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I don't think those are two separate things though? I think you can troll with earnestly held beliefs - where you post something you know the majority would disagree with and then fail to engage with the conversation afterwards. That's why I always though the fixation on "good faith" is kinda silly, because it's not about posters not being earnest, its posters not having basic pattern recognition and posting poo poo that stirs up a poo poo storm every time with the same people and presenting no new evidence or data.
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Nov 6, 2023 18:06
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selec posted:I think it’s this, and the ongoing splintering of Americans who are left of center. If CE isn’t a place you can talk about politics without swearing fealty to VBNMW, a lot of leftists (not my dumb rear end) are just gonna go to cspam for their politics chat, because they have (rightly, IMO) realized posting isn’t praxis, it’s something you do for fun. You’re just chatting and commiserating, and they’ve made the realization that CE is that but there’s also this rules structure in place that created all these guardrails for reasons that don’t seem meaningful or useful beyond protecting a worldview, which makes it less fun. I think hidden within the question is "what is fun" is "who is it fun for." I personally think the CSPAM forum war stuff is dumb, but I don't read CSPAM personally because it's not a very fun environment to be in for me. And I think it's fine that CSPAM enjoyers have their space. I would think the question about how DnD is would need a deeper examination on what you're enjoying about it and whether the other members of the community are also having fun with it.
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Nov 6, 2023 20:37
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Nix Panicus posted:Which probes are these, that you've seen? I don't think this line of questioning will be particularly fruitful but here you go: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=4016635&pagenumber=2034&perpage=40#post533154281
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Nov 7, 2023 00:32
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I think its quite illustrative of the problems with the forum at large actually.
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zoux posted:As long as this forum is a content farm for the other one, D&D will remain dysfunctional. All of the problems in this forum stem from that conflict, no amount of ridiculously obtuse legalistic rule policies will solve what is the obvious issue: everyone is trying to get the guys from the forum they hate in trouble. That cuts both ways, it's just that it all happens here. Until mods are willing to restrict and enforce rules against cross posting, which they never will be, the major traffic threads in this forum will continue to be useless for discussion. This take is kind of over the top, but it's kinda scary how deeply rooted this is. I don't hold an identity as a DnD poster, and it seems kinda weird that there even would or should be one. I think part of the problem is that there exists the idea of the "DnD poster" who tacitly likes every post in this forum and thinks it is above mockery, which is false. It really feels like there are posters who are really into the us vs them mentality (see the new thread spun from the discussion) and it's just super dumb to even buy into it.
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