4th Quarter 2023 D&D Feedback.

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Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

Fister Roboto posted:

At least a week. But this is also something that gets brought up in every single feedback thread in the past, so it doesn't really give anyone the impression that the feedback is being listened to at all.

Exactly so.

Leave it up at least a week.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2023 22:58

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 14:35

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

Mid-Life Crisis posted:

Is d&d supposed to be a leftist safe space or a place to discuss and debate? If you dare to disrupt the status quo you will get a glut of posters throwing themselves at you until you either get probed for not responding to them, or get probed for responding to their attacks of bad faith that lead to no room for substantive response. A sizable portion of which who retreat to cspam. If mods are only judging on reports and not the thread that�s going to benefit those participating in the group think. Thought d&d was the place where that isn�t what is accepted, or is the leftist cultivated community more important?

I moderate other debate communities online and generally what we find is that debate forums tend to drift left over time because the conservative posters refuse to reply, argue in bad faith, and generally don't follow the rules.

I often see moderation teams specifically go out of their way to allow conservative positions with rulebreaking so as to avoid the appearance of bias or creation of an "echo chamber".

If you "dare to disrupt the status quo", simply come with good evidence since you know you will be challenged. A lot of people challenging you isn't some unreasonable thing, you said the point was to disrupt. This isn't a martial arts movie, the fighters don't stand back and challenge you singly. If you feel you're being attacked in bad faith, report the posts.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2023 23:35

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

Given I just saw the guy I was replying to explain how trans rights and immigration policy isn't a federal issue and that BLM could learn from the entirely peaceful Jan 6 selfi-takers, yah you can ignore his dumb rear end.

But it was a great illustration of my point!

# ¿ Nov 5, 2023 00:24

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Can you please clarify this idea - how much racism is allowed in a good post without punishment? How much white noise cheerleading? Perhaps you can update the rules to asterisk the rules which you�ll waive because the post is �good�.

Of course you won�t actually do this, because this was off-the-cuff bullshit on your part, but let me explain why this is terrible policy. First, if you�re trying to encourage a substantive discussion, this is the worst way to do it. Some people will simply ignore posts with good points if they contain personal attacks against them, as I did. Some will instead just counter-attack in response, but either way you�re not getting a good debate out if it, because you�re tilting the playing field.

Second, it�s impossible to extricate the concept of a �good� post from �a post I personally agree with�. Even if you want to argue that the post was objectively well-cited, you�ve personally bent over backwards to punish a cited post of mine that didn�t contain a personal attack, but did stir up the anthill. It�s almost like the term �good post� is inherently subjective and biased by our own beliefs, so enforcing the rules as-written is the best way to operate?

And it this doesn�t just involve me - anyone sufficiently outside the accepted center-left spectrum has to deal with this inconsistent and piss-poor moderation. Let�s look at a different example. Whatever you think about the OPs post, they felt strongly about it, and took the time to write up their thoughts, only to face low-effort snark in return. Absolutely the opposite of what you claim to stand for. This post was reported, why wasn�t it punished? Because the target�s positions don�t fall in line with the general thread�s. But if I responded in-kind to one of the many leftist effortpost/meltdowns here, I�d be punished faster than it takes to type �snowflake�. Not even the �zero tolerance� I/P thread is immune from bullshit snark going unpunished.

I was really hopeful when you took over, but this is way worse than before. You routinely subject out-of-band political posts to the highest level of scrutiny, while people in line with your beliefs get away with whatever they want. At least FoS and crew wore their biases in their sleeves, you collectively just hide behind the �WE DONT MODERATE POSITIONS THOUGH� lie. Whether you�re lying to yourselves, doing it intentionally, or just not wanting to deal with the blowback, I can�t say. But you need to decide if you want to be in charge of a real venue for discussion where the rules are equally applied, or just run a cool kids lunch table.

I believe many people get into the idea that Palestinians are somehow less than human. That wasn't snark. I've used that reply on many people in earnest conversation because they aren't.

Anyhow, if you want to talk about bad faith and lacking substantive discussion, your entire MO as long as I've seen your posts is to post a controversial position, and then never ever participate in discussion of it.

I do agree "we don't moderate positions is bullshit".

# ¿ Nov 5, 2023 09:18

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

Also my stance which is forum wide is bans should be permas, just as they are anywhere else. If you don't, bans are just probations that cost you money.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2023 02:45

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

Koos Group posted:

That is impossible, as I have no control over FYAD, and FYAD thinks C-SPAM and D&D are both, erm... various words I ought not say.

Tell me more about the FYAD hivemind

# ¿ Nov 6, 2023 21:34

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

Tesseraction posted:

That almost makes me wonder about the idea of "kid gloves" threads akin to the "there's no such thing as a stupid question" thread concept or Reddit's "Explain Like I'm Five" subreddit where there's a lower barrier to entry and and extremely zealous moderation standard towards hostility and ridicule.

2nding that.

I post on a forum similar to that and they simply enforce Be Nice debate rules and calmhitlers are taken care of under the "no bigots" policy because they don't pretend not moderate positions.

Other ideas:

- Combine C-Spam with D&D. You either sink or swim.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2023 07:35

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 14:35

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; Can't post for 3 days!

the_steve posted:

It's funny because CSPAM originally was a D&D subforum.
It got split into it's own forum either because the very serious debate havers couldn't abide there being a section for shitposting, or the shitposters were tired of people trying to apply the serious debate rules to the shitpost forum; one or the other/some combination of both.

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The crownless again shall be (idiot) king.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2023 08:50

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