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You gotta get real comfortable using way longer probations more often and sooner in the cycle of having determined that someone is a toxic idiot or a safari provocateer (or both) like I'm no stranger to it cause of all sorts of things in my dumbshit past but here the major issue is that it doesn't take much to derail some threads into pages of flaming poo poo where i could a been learning something but now it's repeatedly having an epistemologically closed position jackhammered at it by newly resident obsessives No more of this repeatedly handing sixers out to people who are here to stir poo poo and are happy to carry that back as a trophy for work well done I don't think any of the rest of this poo poo matters too much but that's my piece
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I don't know if it matters to the argument at this point but i was actually exposed to research and practice about this specific issue and it turns out exposing people to gory context regarding a multitude of issues is actually one of the best ways to change people's minds about oppressive systems. I might wish this wasn't the case but it was shockingly effective throughout The best way we ever saw to shock people out of complacency for police brutality was expressly trying to share and boost visibility of video of police killings, especially the infamous hotel Simon Says video and all those reels of police popping beloved family pets like it some kind of trophy shoot. The best way we had to slap people right off the fence about mass shootings and permissive gun laws was showing the bodies. Same poo poo happening in israel right now, and it's been pretty consistent with warcrimes footage in ukraine, I'm almost certain it's actually one of the reasons why certain groups clutch pearls hard enough to turn them into diamonds over "displaying heartless gore" when it's definitely going to change people's minds over time if the way the events are reported isn't heavily sanitized and cordoned off. I don't know how much i like this as reality but gets you thinking about the deliberacy of groups that tried to stop us showing police killings to complacent fairweather "allies" while the police just kept killing and killing and killing and killing and i have a tendency to remember it when looking at poo poo like all this and trying to figure oh no i gotta go looking for the Bad Faith Bogeyman again cause gonna bet I started with an interest in wanting to make the letters-from-birmingham rear end White Liberal compelled to actually see police violence and murder in action, to keep them from keeping that as an abstract concept in their minds rather than constant and state sanctioned terror. And i definitely want the realities of communal punishment and violent ethnic cleansing in palestine absolutely jammed in the faces of people day in and day out so i guess i got 2 dogs in the fight till the cops plug them at least SIDE NOTE: also found out that the absolute best way to increase sympathy and support for cops was if people saw videos of them dealing with belligerent sovereign citizens like this 100% catapulted them in the opposite direction of acab
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socialsecurity posted:Who are these certain groups? Are they posters? Could you quote them? Posters? Like that what I'm talking about is research and activist work on a web forum about the web forum? Tragically, I'm not that terminally online yet, this was from much more In Real Life poo poo like being in person with activist groups with a vested interest in finding ways to counter political and government sponsored messaging (and popular apathy) about little things like the police being an organized terror mob But the lessons learned still apply one way or another to when the act of sharing evidence and demonstration of things that can contain violence and gore, like state terror or ethnic cleansing, becomes this contentious and people are debating whether to just ban it outright Gumball Gumption posted:I don't disagree with any of this but I do think the way the Internet works means that in reality posting gore means that the people who could have their minds changed just walk away without looking and the only people who stick around want to gawk or worse. Yeah that leads into the not fun part for me: when you make this issue SA specific i think i lean towards gore bans anyway even knowing why it is important to keep violent imagery present, accessible, and referenceable, because i don't have any confidence this place is functional enough to appropriately handle it It sucks because the visibility of these things is important, but it is ... hard to convince me that SA is generally up to the task of the things you have to do to avoid war porn cheerleading with tons of traumatic unspoiled ambushes that make threads unsafe for lots of people. If the administrative competence isn't there, better off just cutting the loving limb off
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Nov 6, 2023 01:22
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Main Paineframe posted:Honestly I think D&D is pretty much fine now. Yeah there's like no emergent tire fire condition going on like was the default condition before, even getting inside medium range of the presidential elections. Not a lot to do but perseverate about really pretty minimally invasive issues even if Electoralism Chat is probably getting brined in poo poo takes from dictatorship simps or something Most of the huge issues got hosed off by nown tbh
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Killer robot posted:Rules meant to curtail bad faith actors by nature have to have some level of "reasonable person" standard and thus will involve judgement calls of what is reasonable. lol wait yeah, when you put it that way, this is a bit of a trip because there is an outermost barrier of how far you can really actually push cynical potshots and leading questions under the cover of "this isn't trolling because I am genuine and sincere and I am intent on Unstifling the Discussion" (or some variety of the same) and boy howdy in the past it sure took serious work, just like months and months of dragging poo poo on, to even get to
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Eason the Fifth posted:imo forum wars or spite threads or whatever are the dumbest poo poo that only ever end in Helldump garbage and get a lot of people probed and banned. the catch 22 is that Forum Wars are indeed the dumbest poo poo ever to hear anyone complain about, but they mean that there are a handful of posters invested in said dumbest poo poo to an escaped mental patient level, so they leap in to The Bad Forum They Can't Shut Up About where they actually do do the things that zoux is talking about and just generally act like the conversational equivalent of a skidmark, so I end up complaining about it, which makes me part of the dumbshit problem to begin with on the plus side this ebbs and flows as an issue and only rarely gets up to the high peaks that used to be this forum's day to day and made poo poo possible like "you literally can't discuss venezuela, it's impossible", usually only when specific subjects come up that syq them up and bring in a safari, which was probably what went on with the original electoralism thing and probably occurs every subsequent time
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in a politics forum people who level cap their Seriousness can end up the most insufferable and discussion-annihilating of all, and it's not the primary issue you have to deal with in that kind of environment anyway. the main thing you gotta balance is if a place like this can stay legitimately informative in some way, especially for individual subject or nation threads and when dealing with current events. the issue of how to balance the seriousness vs. funny/chill/casual lever (looking back at the audience, etc) is way below that in importance and the major reason why you gotta kick people out isn't because they aren't Serious Politics Posters but because they drown threads that you used to be able to go into and get something useful out of it rather than some weird interforum or posting as praxis drama that someone can't let alone
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