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Mid-Life Crisis posted:D&D today is like reading about ‘settled science’ during peak COVID. Not sure if I ever saw a bit of ‘settled science’ that didn’t get blown apart under scrutiny later, at least in scope of how it was discussed in the press, by the feds, or online (and not by the actual scientists themselves who would have been careful not to talk about the work in such ways). Swaths of posters don’t want certain topics discussed at all and it’s rooted in bad faith. You have a habit of posting unsupported assertions projected onto groups to support opinions. You are doing it in this very post: “Swaths of posters”. When pressed on you get quiet and withdraw from the conversation. I think there is nothing wrong, and should be nothing against D&D rules about calling you out for it every time publicly as long as it continues to be clearly textually supportable by the content of your posting.
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World Famous W posted:im always sincere, but ill drop the jokes for this. several of the us politic threads have people that have been posting together for years. we are all human and will build and keep grudges. hell, ive got plenty of grudges from 2020 and posters about reade. now, ive mostly been civil to them, but it's there. just don't think you're going to get what you want here at all Most of the actual old drama has died down as well. Some people now post in CSPAM and some still post in D&D and generally each group stays there. There seems to be only a relatively small number of folks that regularly post in both.
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Discendo Vox posted:No. If the "old drama has died down", it's because the trolls have more control; the people who were the most beneficial participants have been driven off of DnD or SA overall. The subforum continues to be harvested and targeted by trolls, actively facilitated by the current pattern of rationalizing not enforcing the rules. Yes, but I would differentiate that from what what happening previously, there were real serious divisions between large groups of posters rooted in fundamental differences in class and lived experience expressed in politics right between the edge of the left and more center but mostly still socialist left. That’s spilt and the two groups mostly just post in different places. (Say USCE in D&D and Doomsday Econ in CSPAM). Now there is some intentional trolling still happening. And I agree with you those folks should go and are a lot of the current problem. My opinion is the line should be fascist = gone. With my use of fascism here referring to and understood as revolutionary romanticism. I’m also inclined to think the rhetoric devices you identify are generally indications of the essential incoherence of revolutionary romanticism. But we don’t overlap fully because I think some of the ways of thinking and arguing that irritate you are valid, useful, and appropriate to discussion.
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Nov 6, 2023 17:36
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Gumball Gumption posted:As someone who It happened as a response to Lowtax when everybody thought the forums were going to die. And honestly it was before the big spilt so I think it’s a bit of a red herring. Yeah there is an offsite discord but that happened because everybody thought the forums were going to die and as many folks who are now CSPAM as D&D went to the same place and? But I say that not ever really looking at it. I hate discord. It’s an awful platform. If anyone still uses it they could tell us what it’s actually like, instead of only hearing from crazies that use its mere existence as a rhetorical device and proof of evil.
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Nov 6, 2023 17:43
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in both places I don't think this is happening and a lot of people who only post in D&D and see it as counterweight to something have locked themselves into a war only they're fighting. The accusations of off-site organization towards me has always come from people who embedded up engaging in that exact behavior because they convinced themselves they needed to do it defensively.
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I was agreeing with you. Other posters bring it up as some sort of evil off site thing. It pops up in SAD as point from time to time. And roughly yes I’d agree with your characterization of D&D and CSPAM. I also mostly post in CSPAM anymore too. The problem is there is also real and serious radicalization happening there.
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Nov 6, 2023 18:07
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Regarde Aduck posted:Welcome to 'MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES' bitch Well that and propaganda. You’ll find I am quite willing to confront takes that look remarkably strasserist in CSPAM. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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A poo poo show of an election is coming are you planning on more mods for it?
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Nov 7, 2023 17:26
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Eason the Fifth posted:What made SA enjoyable (for me, anyway) way back in the day was that it didn't take itself seriously. That’s never been D&D though. It’s always been serious and aggressive. My first posts almost two decades ago were as a just graduated engineer on the topic of reactor types and nuclear proliferation in Iran. We got into it pretty seriously, quoting nuclear reactor engineering texts and IAEA reports back and forth. Cefte was of course correct and I was incorrect. But the tone here even decades ago was gently caress you, you are wrong, followed by serious in-depth technical dissociation. It’s quite far from that. Rhetorical hostility was replaced by actual hostility especially after the Bernie / Hillary primary. But this very much was always place where folks would angrily argue about everything especially religion, philosophy and politics. Along with relatively strict posting rules that changed focus over time.
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Nov 7, 2023 21:25
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mawarannahr posted:Some people are just temperamentally like that, and may have a hard time turning it off even if they try (in some cases these can be related to factors not fully in their control, e.g. certain types of neurodivergence -- even just being from a different culture can predispose someone to sounding awkward while writing English). A good number of the notable ND posters have been banned over the years for various reasons. We used to have more deeply weird posters. Some of the problems that have spilled out of D&D into the larger forums over the years have been ND posters. But that’s not widely known that it was the case and they mentioned it only in passing. Also the dates of the changes that occurred to the DSM regarding Asperger’s and autism and the average posters age here plays into it. Personally I can only write well in a professional context largely due to posting here. It took over a decade of seriously arguing about religion every day.
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Nov 7, 2023 22:17
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Koos Group posted:Yes, positions aren't moderated in D&D, even the worst ones, though that post also would have been hit in D&D proper for other reasons. The thing is, specific positions are going to be inconsistent, bad faith, and incoherent as an essential characteristic of the specific position. If a romantic is looking back to and attempting to bring back a past that never actually existed, that’s always eventual going to break your rules. It’s always eventually in bad faith. It’s always starting from a broken myth, and it’s root it’s already rebutted because the idealized past never actually existed. I don’t think it matters which romanticism either. Maga romanticism about the fifties or folks looking back to Stalin and the USSR. It starts at point where the rules are already being broken.
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I guess what I’m trying to say is anything a calm Hitler argues is bad faith and appealing to fake story from the very start.
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