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TheGreyGhost posted:They should take any OL they can for this and the next draft and then take a run in 2026. I appreciate someone saying this. I don't know what the right course of action is but the discourse being so strongly "the Patriots suck absolute poo poo and should trade back as much as possible cause they will ruin any QB they draft" at the same time as "the Commanders are ready to draft the QB of the future" has been bothering me all offseason. The Pats absolutely do suck poo poo, but so do the Commies. Washington was objectively worse, they got a better draft slot. Be consistent in your taeks
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I think the Pats are in a worse place than the Commies from a roster building perspective. Like they do legitimately have nfl wide receivers. And on defense at least have interior dudes. I think you can get away with a bad line if you have receivers or you can get away with no receivers if you have a good to decent line, but neither is dire. Can scheme around one, but not both.
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Also no guarantee you are in that position. It's real easy to win some dumb games you probably shouldn't and be out of position to get a QB. Like your backup goes on a legendary meme run.
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Dexo posted:I think the Pats are in a worse place than the Commies from a roster building perspective. Sure. But the Pats do have picks in rounds 2-7 this year, several of which will presumably (?????) go toward WR and OL. It feels like people are acting like those picks don't exist. Yeah they won't fix things overnight but jesus our receivers are so bad that a round 2 WR might immediately become the WR1 lol. It's a huge mystery what a post-Belichick draft looks like. But if they just make normal, on-the-board picks at positions of need they'll hopefully crawl out of the hole he dug pretty quickly. Pats are strong in the secondary and at edge, although those pass rushers are coming up on the end of their contracts. I guess it also remains to be seen what this defense looks like post Belichick. Can it continue to run on spare parts without marquee stars? Or do they need to put more capital into defense now that they don't have one of the greatest defensive minds of all time moving the chess pieces around. I guess I agree that Washington is slightly better positioned but it doesn't feel like night and day. But that's how I've been reading the discourse around the two teams.
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TheGreyGhost posted:They should take any OL they can for this and the next draft and then take a run in 2026. I used to think this way but I think I've done a 180. You're not guaranteed to be in a position to draft a QB you think is worth a 1st round pick in any given year, even if you're willing to trade up. If you can land a guy with potential without having to give up extra picks, you do it.
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Cash Monet posted:I used to think this way but I think I've done a 180. Exactly. It’s a simple flow chart: does the team have a franchise qb? If not, then the team 100% must draft an elite qb prospect when given the opportunity. If the team tries to build a better situation for an incoming QB prospect then you get yourself out of elite qb prospect range. Also, it’s the nfl. A team can absolutely build sufficient supporting talent around a rookie qb in two offseasons, if the team commits to doing so.
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On the Pats / Wash front they’re different situations bc Washington’s roster isn’t utterly devoid of talent on offense. They have a glaring hole on the o line but they also have 7 picks in the first 3 rounds including 2 picks at the top of the 2nd. They added a great young center in FA to go with their one good olineman at RG. It’s totally feasible for them to go QB & T for their first two picks and add some oline depth in the 3rd. Their needs line up perfectly with the deepest talent in this draft and they’ll get more shots at it. They’re in a much better spot to add a QB than the Patriots but it does hinge on them using at least 1-2 more picks on oline in the 2nd and 3rd Wash is also a good one to trade back into the first for oline like if Guyton is around in the late 20s Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Billy 5 aces is co hosting pat mcafees draft show next week. Pat kinda grates but I don't think I can pass up belichicks insight.
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So are we doing a Game Day Thread for each day or we just gonna unload in here?
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Relentlessboredomm posted:On the Pats / Wash front they’re different situations bc Washington’s roster isn’t utterly devoid of talent on offense. They have a glaring hole on the o line but they also have 7 picks in the first 3 rounds including 2 picks at the top of the 2nd. They added a great young center in FA to go with their one good olineman at RG. It’s totally feasible for them to go QB & T for their first two picks and add some oline depth in the 3rd. Their needs line up perfectly with the deepest talent in this draft and they’ll get more shots at it. This OL analysis seems to line up almost exactly with the Pats, down to being good on 2 spots (in our case C and RG/RT [Onwenu]). They also have the same glaring hole (LT) and will almost certainly use a high pick on it. I don't know how the guards line up but the Pats do have 3-4 guys competing there, including their former 1st round pick who has looked ok at times (and really bad at others, I know). And all this with terrible OL coaching last year, which could go a long way if it's fixed. WR is another topic of course, but your post was mostly on OL and they really seem comparable there, not WASH being a much better spot.
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Commanders need an OL you say? https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1781292707245138293 quote:Said an NFC coordinator: "Jayden takes hits like Anthony Richardson takes hits. Anthony Richardson probably outweighs him by 40 pounds. And Anthony Richardson got hurt, what, three times (in four games) last year as a rookie? You cannot do that at that position. Cam Newton's career ended [at age 32] because of it, and he's the biggest human being to ever play quarterback successfully.
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BlindSite posted:Billy 5 aces is co hosting pat mcafees draft show next week. I hope this version shows up. 
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wandler20 posted:I hope this version shows up. Bill Belichick's wolf fursona confirmed
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Eifert, are you going to do the draft game again this year?
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Ornery and Hornery posted:The podcast draft coverage as a whole seems lovely this year, across different podcasters. I paid so much more attention to last year's draft than this year's even though the Packers have more top-100 picks now. Part of it is probably just trusting the process now since last year's draft looks like it could be a home-run for the Packers, but I can't really engage with the nonstop QB talk.
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Yeah this draft is sorta just defined by QB/OL/WR. Which coincidentally can be some of the most obnoxious positions to talk about.
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Ben Sinnott from KSU is giving me some Sam Laporta vibes. He could be a fun player.
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wandler20 posted:Ben Sinnott from KSU is giving me some Sam Laporta vibes. He could be a fun player. Excellent blocker.
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Just thinking back to when Tampa traded up to take a 2nd round kicker.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Just thinking back to when Tampa traded up to take a 2nd round kicker. And here I had finally memory holed this. Thanks for bringing this nightmare back. I even tried to defend the pick. Just an embarrassment all around. That entire draft class was a disaster for the Bucs.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Mays has consistently gotten worse as his influence and station has grown. Their chats with brugler have been good when they’re just analyzing prospects but part of the problem with the national level pods like this one or any of the espn ones is that they only want to cover maybe half of the teams, and you end up with a lot of stupid shallow analysis that doesn’t actually fit with reality. And that’s before the games start and they can just winnow it down to talking about the top four Narrative teams. Obviously with team specific pods and stuff you lean closer to people being homers, overrating their teams players, etc, but you also are hearing from people who might have a better sense of what’s going on too. Like, I know Tennessee is not a team that anybody cares about nationally, it’s a small fanbase, whatever. But the amount of times I’ve heard Mays or tice or Mina kimes say “uhhhhhh I don’t know what the titans are doing!!” wrt their free agency moves. And it’s not hard to put together! You just have to actually think about something other than Josh Allen running and gunning for like three minutes. TLDR national level football pods have turned to poo poo
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Only semi related but the easiest way to keep me from listening to a podcast is having anybody who works at the ringer as a guest. Murderers row of dumbshits
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sports podcasts in offseasons are generally a special kind of torture to listen to
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Excellent blocker. Yeah it's weird I've seen multiple outlets call him a bad blocker but he's pretty good when it's hat on hat. He misses blocks that cross over his face or against guys who go for the slip past him but he's a tight end.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Only semi related but the easiest way to keep me from listening to a podcast is having anybody who works at the ringer as a guest. Murderers row of dumbshits I don't know how every single Ringer football person manages to simultaneously tick both boxes of "giant dweeb" and "obnoxious hot take artist" but boy do they seemingly pull it off across the board. I guess I get that dithering and nuance is not what a lot of people want from a sports media figure, but the Ringer folks lack both the charisma and the expertise to be operating from a place of "Can you believe there are dipshits who don't agree with my opinions??" I actually do enjoy Ben Solak when he's doing a film breakdown or a written article but in podcast form he shifts right into that insufferable know-it-all dork zone
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Diva Cupcake posted:Commanders need an OL you say? Does being big REALLY limit your potential for injury? I have never really noticed a correlation there. I mean yeah, thicker legs and such can potentially hold up a bit better to sideways pressure but I'm honestly not sure that's how it works overall, it is your ligaments that hold your joints in place, not your muscles. I think small players can be more aware of that kind of thing and be better at limiting those situations, and if you've got less weight on your legs it's easier for them to lose traction than get some devastating knee injury. Not to mention there are tons of injuries that have nothing whatsoever to do with size, like soft tissue, spine, foot (potentially), etc. That being said, Daniels being both so tall and so skinny, and with such a long neck, is a bit concerning especially when it comes to concussions and neck injuries. Still, he's proved pretty durable in college and that's a good sign. Bismack Billabongo posted:Only semi related but the easiest way to keep me from listening to a podcast is having anybody who works at the ringer as a guest. Murderers row of dumbshits SOLAK!!!!  Anyways, I thought it might be interesting, for something to talk about, to take a look at some draft-related betting odds. Those guys are pretty drat good at predicting things. Picks 2 to 4 projections (I would still put my money on Maye for 2 and Daniels for 3):  Picks 5 to 7 (5 unsurprisingly the most unsure):  Pick 8 to 10 (uncertainty increasing as you go down the order):  There are also odds for first and second players taken at certain positions. Obviously, Joe Alt and Marvin Harrison Jr. HEAVILY favored for first at their positions, but the DL/edge and running backs are pretty interesting:   (No, I have no clue why Will Shipley is even on this list). We've also got over/under on draft positions for a bunch of late first round/second round players, some things sticking out to me there: - Michael Penix and Bo Nix have the EXACT same line at 32.5. AKA, deciding if they are first rounders or second rounders (edit: nevermind, forgot the Dolphins losing their picks so actually this is 1 pick into the second round I think). - Ladd McConkey 35.5. - Xavier Legette 41.5 (I'm taking the under) - Quinyon Mitchell 15.5 (another under imo) - Cooper DeJean 22.5 (big time over for me) This one is pretty interesting to me. Total number of players at certain positions drafted in the first round:  There are also odds for the first position taken by certain teams, although it looks like they don't offer odds for the top 8 teams plus the Vikings. For the TRUE degenerates, there are even odds on which position will be Mr. Irrelevant:  If I had to choose some odds I really like, they would be: - A parley of first WR/OL/CB taken with MHJ, Alt, and Quinyon. - Maye going second overall, and maybe also a perfect top 5 picks bet with that setup. - AD Mitchel, Quinyon and Xavier Legette unders on positions, Terrion/DeJean overs. - Maybe I'd go QB over, assuming the top three and JJ and either Penix or Nix to be taken late in the first round by someone trading up. All info taken from here: https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/nfl. Curious what anyone else thinks about these, I wasn't really surprised by anything, I think the media probably keeps an eye on the line as well. If you know any dirt on a prospect, now would be the time for some lucrative insider trading. Play fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Play posted:Does being big REALLY limit your potential for injury? I have never really noticed a correlation there. I mean yeah, thicker legs and such can potentially hold up a bit better to sideways pressure but I'm honestly not sure that's how it works overall, it is your ligaments that hold your joints in place, not your muscles. I think small players can be more aware of that kind of thing and be better at limiting those situations, and if you've got less weight on your legs it's easier for them to lose traction than get some devastating knee injury. Not to mention there are tons of injuries that have nothing whatsoever to do with size, like soft tissue, spine, foot (potentially), etc. I'm just a layman but I'm pretty sure strength training improves tendon/ligament strength. Strength training also makes you big.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm just a layman but I'm pretty sure strength training improves tendon/ligament strength. Strength training also makes you big. I think they all do strength training, just because genetically one player puts on more mass doesn't mean they strengthen their tendons at the same rate. That's what I'd guess anyways, I can't prove it. But yeah, that's an interesting point.
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i like the ringer podcasts because i like to listen to people talk about football. well, thanks for reading my post
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xbilkis posted:I don't know how every single Ringer football person manages to simultaneously tick both boxes of "giant dweeb" and "obnoxious hot take artist" but boy do they seemingly pull it off across the board. I guess I get that dithering and nuance is not what a lot of people want from a sports media figure, but the Ringer folks lack both the charisma and the expertise to be operating from a place of "Can you believe there are dipshits who don't agree with my opinions??" because they spend all their time on the internet. They all become like ...that
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm just a layman but I'm pretty sure strength training improves tendon/ligament strength. Strength training also makes you big. Developing muscles around joints improves joint health but it doesn't prevent injuries. There's no such thing as an injury model that can predict them or a build that can shield against them. It's simply if you put yourself in danger of being hit by the equivalent of a car over and over you're most likely going to get hurt.
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Nosre posted:This OL analysis seems to line up almost exactly with the Pats, down to being good on 2 spots (in our case C and RG/RT [Onwenu]). They also have the same glaring hole (LT) and will almost certainly use a high pick on it. Yea I was emphasizing OL bc that's where Wash has holes unlike the Pats which have holes everywhere on offense. That's sort of the whole point, Wash has less holes on offense and more high picks to address them
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