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I feel like Drake Maye is getting underrated at this point and I’d rather the Patriots not draft him.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:10
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What. how the gently caress is Drake Maye Daniel Jones. Hold the gently caress on. I need someone to actually explain the similarities in their profile as prospects, other than being doofy white dudes? That is an insane comp.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:18
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Rivers wasn’t an athlete. Penix is an athlete. Penix is a less accurate more beefy Tua
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Mar 29, 2024 22:21
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Diva Cupcake posted:I feel like Drake Maye is getting underrated at this point and I’d very much like for him to fall to the Patriots  It’s probably all nonsense but I will be thrilled if the Commanders take Daniels and Maye falls into our lap
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Mar 29, 2024 22:23
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TFF Seems way lower on Maye than the general consensus in the media and scouting nerds that I keep reading and its throwing me off. I can't decide if its Herbert syndrome and people are just missing the forest for the trees.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:26
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Amy Pole Her posted:Rivers wasn’t an athlete. Penix is an athlete. So Tebow?
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Mar 29, 2024 22:27
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BlindSite posted:TFF Seems way lower on Maye than the general consensus in the media and scouting nerds that I keep reading and its throwing me off. I can't decide if its Herbert syndrome and people are just missing the forest for the trees. The media smear campaign didn't work on Caleb so it's moved to Drake
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Mar 29, 2024 22:28
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a neat cape posted:So Tebow? Tebow’s farts could knock down Tua… and.. Wow actually Penix is kinda like tebow
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Mar 29, 2024 22:29
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that wasn't a hypothetical. I legitimately have some concerns with Maye, I think most of his problems are definitely fixable(he gets very careless from time to time with his footwork and mechanics which leads to probably a bit too many welp throws), and he probably has Farve/Jay Cutler/Josh Allen Brain. Which is always somewhat of a worry. But he's still pretty easily QB 2 for me. But loving Daniel Jones???? Maye attacked downfield far more than Daniel Jones who was far more of a check-down merchant, has a significantly better arm. More willing to make throws into tight windows. Better accuracy what in gods name are you seeing on Drake Maye's tape/statistical profile, that comps him to Daniel Jones. I'm just incredulous.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:34
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Amy Pole Her posted:Rivers wasn’t an athlete. Penix is an athlete. what does this even mean? Coming out of college, Rivers was bigger, taller, and had more rushing attempts and yards his junior and senior years (neither was really a rusher). Rivers had a slower 40-yard dash, pretty meaningless for either player. Their passing stats in college were surprisingly similar: passer ratings of 144-146, completion percentages of 63.x, 13,xxx yards, 1,xxxx completions, christ they were even within 1 TD of each other, 95 and 96, while having the same # of INTs. The Rivers comp seems... like a good starting point? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/philip-rivers-1.html https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/michael-penix-jr-1.html
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Mar 29, 2024 22:37
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pmchem posted:what does this even mean? Coming out of college, Rivers was bigger, taller, and had more rushing attempts and yards his junior and senior years (neither was really a rusher). Rivers had a slower 40-yard dash, pretty meaningless for either player. Welcome to enjoying football and sports in general friend. When someone says a basic thing such as “he’s an athlete” they typically mean that in reference to their… ya know.. athletic ability. His inability to capitalize on that doesn’t change that it exists. Similar to how not stupid people ask really stupid questions sometimes.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:39
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Penix is like an athlete, but he cannot(or has never shown much of an ability) to use his athleticism functionally while doing the act of quarterbacking lol. Like yeah man, you can run a 4.5 or whatever or train to do other combine/pro day athleticism tests. That man if he is moved off his spot loving craters hard accuracy wise, and in his success rate. straight line speed doesn't matter when it comes to dealing with pressure.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:39
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Penix is a former dual threat guy and he just ran like a 4.45 or something, so theoretically he could be used as one in the pros while Rivers was always a pylon.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:39
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Dexo posted:Penix is like an athlete, but he cannot(or has never shown much of an ability) to use his athleticism functionally while doing the act of quarterbacking lol. Yeah. He’s an athlete who is really bad at using it to his advantage. Athlete doesn’t meant you’re automatically an amazing QB - but…good god tff…we at the point of pretending to not know what the word athlete means? We going back to checkers level discussion?
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Mar 29, 2024 22:41
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Henchman of Santa posted:Penix is a former dual threat guy and he just ran like a 4.45 or something, so theoretically he could be used as one in the pros while Rivers was always a pylon. he hasn't reached 3 ypc since 2019 (freshman year), doesn't really scream dual threat to me. good luck to whatever manager wants to try, i guess
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Mar 29, 2024 22:42
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My guy i think you’re confused what being an athlete means. Slow qb brain and bad decision making as a qb doesn’t make him any less of an athlete
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Mar 29, 2024 22:43
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BlindSite posted:TFF Seems way lower on Maye than the general consensus in the media and scouting nerds that I keep reading and its throwing me off. I can't decide if its Herbert syndrome and people are just missing the forest for the trees. It's his face.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:45
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Amy Pole Her posted:My guy i think you’re confused what being an athlete means plenty of different reasons to describe someone as an "athlete" and if your main criteria to differentiate QBs is 40-yard dash time, have fun with that rivers and penix had basically identical college passing stats and he's a perfectly good comp
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Mar 29, 2024 22:46
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like come on, I guess maybe it's the greatest long con ever and he's secretly been holding back some dual threat ability, but 45 117 23 24 113 80 Yards rushing, and this isn't even the normal college rushing yard statistics that remove sack yards from rushing yards. That nigga is not a dual threat QB. Big time shades of people calling Teddy Bridgewater that during draft season because Kaep and other QB's were the rage.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:49
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Dexo posted:like come on, I guess maybe it's the greatest long con ever and he's secretly been holding back some dual threat ability, but 
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Mar 29, 2024 22:52
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pmchem posted:plenty of different reasons to describe someone as an "athlete" and if your main criteria to differentiate QBs is 40-yard dash time, have fun with that Yeah.. and that’s be an awesome note if being an athlete only meant your 40 yard dash but arguing logic seems one sided so I’ll stop. Come back to me in a few years when he has a Philip Rivers type career I guess?
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Mar 29, 2024 22:52
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Dexo posted:like come on, I guess maybe it's the greatest long con ever and he's secretly been holding back some dual threat ability, but Being an athlete doesn’t automatically equate to being a dual threat quarterback. Just like him having similar stats to Rivers in college doesn’t mean he was anywhere near the passer rivers was in college. Is it the star that clouds the brain or…
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Mar 29, 2024 22:53
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Penix needs to let the naysayers know, I guess.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:53
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My hot take is that anyone playing in the NFL is an athlete.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:55
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Like all these dudes are athletes on some level. Even kickers and punters nowadays are absurd athletes. When most people talk about "athletes" when speaking specifically about a sport they are generally referring to Athletes who are like the top 5% of the 1% of athletes that already are in that sport. like this is just a wild level of pedantry lol.
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Mar 29, 2024 22:56
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living around nothing but WAS fans, the daniels>maye thing is definitely not exclusive to TFF. frankly i would say the casual narrative has him moved into QB2 right now JJ was a bridge too far from the same folks, not that he should ever be in consideration for WAS unless they trade down
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Mar 29, 2024 22:58
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Who knows maybe he shocks the world. He doesn’t process info fast enough to be dual. He doesn’t have accuracy to be rivers. I think he’s a waste. But measurable are… ya know.. measurable
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Mar 29, 2024 22:59
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What? I'm not even defending Penix, I don't like him as a prospect Maybe like 3rd or 4th round for me IMO, but if you think you can protect him late second is somewhat defensible, You likely can't get away with being a touch more mobile than Drew Bledsode, in today's NFL. But this argument is dumb as hell. Penix is an athlete, as is pretty much any NFL player. But he isn't able to like access whatever athleticism he does have while playing QB, and less even on the running part, that was just to laugh at the person who said he was a dual threat. But even moving around in the pocket he is absolutely dire if he can't drop back cleanly and get his throws off without being forced off his spot. It looked like Mac Jones has more creation and movement in his game, and that is not very good. Dexo fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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Mar 29, 2024 23:07
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It's kind of funny that Justin Fields only had 3 more rushing attempts his final year in college than Rivers did in his. 4.7 ypc vs 1.4 though. edit: Oh right, Covid year with only 8 games trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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Mar 29, 2024 23:10
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I would like to point out that Philip Rivers had tremendous pocket presence and was pretty accurate on scrambles too.
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Mar 29, 2024 23:23
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PENIX has tremendous pocket presence too. He has that Brady ability where he’s not really scrambling away or stiff arming defenders away… but he does those little steps in the pocket to make defenders miss and deliver tall in the pocket. I hope PENIX goes to a good team 
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Mar 29, 2024 23:27
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Ornery and Hornery posted:PENIX has tremendous pocket presence too. He has that Brady ability where he’s not really scrambling away or stiff arming defenders away… but he does those little steps in the pocket to make defenders miss and deliver tall in the pocket. I want him in Seattle.
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Mar 29, 2024 23:29
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Penix is going to absolutely smash records For the number of dumbass fantasy teams named after him A Sneaker Broker posted:I want him in Seattle. Oh god are we rebooting the Anthony Richardson bit
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Mar 29, 2024 23:31
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efb a bunch but yeah.a neat cape posted:I would like to point out that Philip Rivers had tremendous pocket presence and was pretty accurate on scrambles too. Penix isn't really a bad decision maker. He is actually very very good at like almost everything involved with being a Quarterback, until he is forced to move. His Accuracy MOF deep and intermediate are not the best, but unlike other QB's, some in this very draft, he will actually throw them, when they should be thrown. It's not like that his awareness is bad, like he doesn't loving take sacks, and will throw the ball when pressured, it's just that he has no ability to like move and throw, and if he does move he has to completely reset and throw. But yeah no off platform or off balance throws worth a drat coming from Penix.
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Mar 29, 2024 23:34
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Runs a decent 40 that he'll never utilize in reality? That's a little faster Derek Carr
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Mar 29, 2024 23:42
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I want him in Seattle. Geno is a decent comp for Penix tbh. Down to the inexplicably fast 40 time that does not at all reflect how they actually play
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Mar 29, 2024 23:43
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xbilkis posted:Geno is a decent comp for Penix tbh. Down to the inexplicably fast 40 time that does not at all reflect how they actually play Geno is a guy who was recruited to the school that had just produced Pat White a couple of years earlier so it makes sense that he can move, but they had basically had gone Air Raid by the time he was playing.
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Mar 30, 2024 00:21
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Drake Maye makes some very pretty throws and looks off wide open underneath guys to do it. He also has a bad tendency to turn his shoulder into a play which sinks him in the pocket for getting off easy passes. He's got a bit of an issue placing catchable balls. He still pushes it down field and takes risks, unlike Jones.
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Mar 30, 2024 00:32
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Penix was in an offense that had him adjust at the line to attack a safety and get 1 on 1 matchups with 3 amazing WRs. He makes good decisions but it's not like the decisions are particularly hard.
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Doltos posted:Drake Maye makes some very pretty throws and looks off wide open underneath guys to do it. He also has a bad tendency to turn his shoulder into a play which sinks him in the pocket for getting off easy passes. He's got a bit of an issue placing catchable balls. He still pushes it down field and takes risks, unlike Jones. Yeah, I don't disagree with this, although in college I really don't mind a QB who tries to push deep, It's easier to reign a guy in than teach a guy to be more aggressive. He's got some mechanical issues and bad habits, but they are all things that I've seen fixed before in the NFL. Which is why I love him so much as a prospect I just thought the Daniel Jones comp or Mitch comp I've seen floating around completely ridiculous. This same thing is something the Bears and mostly Keenan Allen I think are going to have to drill into Caleb, that this isn't 2023 USC, he doesn't have to be super man.
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