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TheGreyGhost posted:Honestly, I’m getting to a point where I’m occasionally grading guys down on DL for playing with good technique if they’re less productive than just some random dudes who flail. There’s a school of thought that elite 2-gap guys should basically play with no technique in mind and be purely reactive to how an OL plays them and I kind of get it for odd-front or hybrid looks now. It’s what’s so funny to me about Tuimoloau and Sawyer with Ohio state this year—least technical edge guys out of Ohio state in eons but JT just guesses run/pass and is so disruptive that the linebackers just know “oh poo poo he overran” and cover for him. Isn't this Wade Philips basic defensive philosophy for his 34 front? Just have your linemen crash and cause chaos as much as possible, edge will contain and your linebackers in the middle will flow and make the actual plays.
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Nov 25, 2023 03:41
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Doltos posted:I feel like they mislead non-college watchers more than help them. They also create weird confidence vacuums where people who saw an initial mock draft will base all their opinion on the prospect from that moment. It helps me watch college games and know who to watch more closely. I like to see if I can see what the mock draft dudes see and if i don't.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:44
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Doltos posted:Could I possibly steer you guys towards top 10 rankings instead? You get all of the info with none of the clickbait. I only started watching college more and more this year, so it's sometimes handy to chuck on a game and have a reason to follow it more closely. I don't care how I get the list of players, I just want the list.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:57
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Black Lighter posted:Goes to show how utterly desperate some teams are for a QB that everyone knew 2022 was a terrible draft for the position and yet it still produced three (terrible-to-mediocre) starters Considering Sam Howell is in his first real season as a starter he's been pretty decent.
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Nov 30, 2023 04:43
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SKULL.GIF posted:Maybe this will change with NIL, but it's seemed like if a player has "it" he goes to the NFL fairly quickly. If he doesn't have "it" he sits in college for a long time. Covid impacting years truncated that cycle a little bit too though, thankfully we're mostly past it now in terms of it affecting the pipeline. But I mean some guys the light just comes on a little later, guys develop better discipline around drinking, diet and their recovery habits etc, they find a coach they mesh with who knows how to teach them, maybe they've had a dogshit QB throwing to them or minimal talent, bad scheme etc. You can forgive a year or two. I'd be more concerned with a guy who's 22 with a lot of miles on the tyres from how they were used in College than a guy who's turning 24 who has shown legitimate, consistent improvement.
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Dec 1, 2023 22:34
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Black Lighter posted:Help I just learned there's a Jeremiah Trotter Jr and my hip broke I think there's like four famous sons coming out this year - Kris Jenkins son, jeremiah Trotter jnr, Marvin Harrison jnr and I forget the 4th.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:15
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IIRC Baker has the longest air yard pass in the NFL, dude can sling it. Rodgers has the longest completion iirc in air yards and his mechanics had to be rebuilt.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:29
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wandler20 posted:Lassiter out of Georgia? Sanders is who I was thinking of. So wait, there's 5.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:49
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Keep in mind that Reich has also hosed with Youngs drop back multiple times in his rookie season. From installing everything out of 21 under centre to start, to having him slow his drop back to give the receivers more time to get into routes because they're all slow (except chark who's been in and out), Then they switched to a very shotgun heavy game plan. Then they changed again when Brown called over to a slightly more balanced approach but included more pistol concepts Then Reich took the play calling back and we had two weeks of both almost all shotgun and something resembling a more traditional mix. There's also been some issues with stuff like Reich wanting to change him to using a wristband and having McCown in the headset which lead to some confusion, then it changed back to him getting the read outs like he wanted. So he's had Reich, Brown, Reich, Brown calling plays in 2 different ways in 3 different operating styles having his drop back either installed or changed in that time as well. Add to that the nearly 50 sacks, offensive cast, ancient system he was in and... well.
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Dec 4, 2023 08:00
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joe football posted:Not sure if you'd call it 'development' but Roethlisberger was the poster child for holding the ball forever(to great success) much of his career but ran a pretty pathetic but sometimes effective 2-seconds-and-throw offense for his last ~3 seasons The otherside of that I guess is Byron Leftwich who had a slow as poo poo wind up and used to cop a battering and never managed to find a way to improve his trigger. Then again those were some dire jags days.
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Dec 5, 2023 00:01
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TheGreyGhost posted:I’m firmly at the 3 year check in rule with most QBs. Stroud’s stuff should carryover to future success since it’s not exactly pure scheme it up stuff from a rookie. Young could still turn out but I’m going to need them to fix his line and stop loving around with his drops. Reich thinks from the context of statue quarterbacks who hang in the pocket and need to be forced into being loose—Bryce needs to if anything be tightened up. It’s bad enough when your nfl coach messes with your mechanics, but that footwork is just bizarre given his tendencies scrambling and usually setting his feet decently prior to this. I actually have some thoughts when it comes to footwork and Bryce's problem is a fixable one based on what I've seen fixed in the past with boxers and kick boxers. Id also argue that there isn't necessarily one right way but there are right ways and things that specifically need to occur for certain guys in order for them to be effective. Like Peyton had happy almost frenetic feet in his heyday, but they were set and perfect when he was actually throwing.
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Dec 5, 2023 03:31
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I think it was more his ability to throw a ball 50 yards through the air and have it land on a dime to a receiver who can actually get open but yes I'm sure it was the hair cut.
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indigi posted:I get your point but remember how Richardson immediately told Cam he wasn't allowed to get tattoos? some of these owners are truly nuts; something as innocuous as Stroud's hair maybe could trigger a dude like that. even if it doesn't make any logical sense to us I can buy superficial prejudice being a determining factor in picking one guy over another, even if they're both black Yes but I've also heard Cam talk about Richardson and their relationship following that conversation and he said they were in touch right up until Richardson passed and he considered him a friend and a mentor and never had any issues.
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indigi posted:yeah Richardson sounds like a real sweet guy that's why he couldn't hack it as an nfl owner I didn't say he was. I'm saying Cam had a very different relationship with him than people assumed based on their reported conversation as a rookie.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Thinking about wide receivers Big same.
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Dec 13, 2023 22:29
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If he has a good combine work out it'll drive him into the top 15. Not that it should matter too much but if he does the full suite including throwing etc and is just dropping dots he'll see a pretty fast rise given the teams in the top 15 looking at QBs. Chicaco Arizona Washington New England Giants Chargers Tennessee Chicago Jets Atlanta is the current top 10 - the next 5 in the list are: New Orleans Green Bay Las Vegas Denver Minnesota It wouldn't shock me if any of the bolded teams took a QB this year. Even in the back half of the draft you've got Pittsburgh, Seattle, LA (rams) and potentially Detroit who might be interested. Detroit could get real interesting given they have a lot of choices to make in terms of who they're going to pay now they've found some success. Offensively there's going to be some pieces coming up for contracts in the next two years and Goff's current deal is set to expire at the end of 2024 and he's probably going to want over 35 mill a year based on what teams gave to guys like Carr.
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Dec 28, 2023 23:06
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Hey draft thread - I'm guessing there's a bunch of guys playing today that are goin to be relevant in this thread. Any suggestions?
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LiquidFriend posted:I would recommend watching the games. I'm doin that Henchman of Santa posted:Yeah it's the playoff. Every team has a bunch of NFL dudes. Likely first/second round guys include Kris Jenkins Jr., Kool-Aid McKinstry, Dallas Turner, Michael Penix, Rome Odunze, T'Vondre Sweat, the UW left tackle. Cheers
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TheGreyGhost posted:He holds the ball like it’s covered in Teflon, trusts his arm too much, and he makes reads that will drive an NFL coach insane (he has a couple double China reps that gave me vapors from the bad Pickett film). Love his tools and think he could’ve developed into a 1-2 round guy but just cannot get over how bad his mechanics are and how weird some of his progressions look. I didn't articulate this properly in the GDT but I said his arm wasn't a plus arm from what I saw today and got poo poo'd but the bolded is more what I meant, it also kind of seemed like he had a good short fast ball on rhythm throws but his deep outs really did kind of hang out there and I wonder if he'd be able to replicate a snappy and consistent release early and often having to play off platform or under pressure because there were a couple of bubble screens where his casual flick was quite a bit off target or low and his back or WR on the bubble screen had to take the catch in the wrong position - i.e behind them when it should have been in front of them, or off the boot laces instead of at head height. I think he'll push his way into the 3rd based on nothing else but how hard the league is trying to find quarterbacks and someone's going to fall in love with his film but being behind a decent line and being able to set and fire to a giant hands guy with excellent body control for much of his deep work is kind of giving him banger highlights but I can see a lot in his game that gives me pause.
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Odunze has amazing hands and body control, I really like his game.
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A lot changes before the draft but it wouldn't shock me to see New England bring in someone to work with Mac or Zappe and going MHJ, but I don't think there's anyway he goes past Arizona.
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He doesn't even have Lockers size or arm strength though. The dudes a 4th rounder who bounces around as a 3rd QB until he fucks off to be an offensive assistant in a high school or sell insurance.
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Diva Cupcake posted:A significant number of pro athletes wore hologram bracelets to improve their balance and energy flows. Sports people are very superstitious. I've seen and heard the dumbest superstitions tbh walking around the end zone barefoot and brushing your teeth left handed is just par for the course. Magic handkerchiefs, lucky underwear, must have a certain breakfast, must listen to the same song. I've seen and heard a whole mess of weird poo poo athletes do. Of all people Conor McGregor had the best take when once he said in an interview its just a way of dealing with fear and nerves and he doesn't bother with any of it because he knows he's prepared etc. Jj has a bunch of issues as a prospect but his game day or bed time routine isn't a big deal. I mean half the draft chat last year was people getting weirdly obsessed about how someone takes their coffee.
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TheGreyGhost posted:Arch Manning is a mid 4 star recruit without the last name. He’s the first one with Archie’s athleticism but holy poo poo he should be better than this. Yeah he played for their tiny private school in New Orleans but so did like Odell and he still balled out. Much less, dude has been in national camps his whole life, he has to have seen high end competition in 7 on 7 at least. Odunze reminds me a lot of D Hop in the way he boxes guys out and comes out of his breaks more than Amari Cooper tbh. I think Odunze is going to be one of those guys who as you said won't flash the big numbers at the combine but he'll be right there in every category and he does the little things like working back and boxing guys out pretty well.
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Haven't they only used that rule for guys with serious issues in terms of criminal or immoral poo poo though?
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Mega64 posted:What immoral poo poo, have you seen some of the players that got drafted I think you miss my point, I'm not saying the NFL aren't a pack of hypocrites, I'm talking about the specific application of their rules and the precedent for it with the supplemental draft.
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Black Lighter posted:And aren't the bids determined by this year's draft position? So if Chicago and Washington both submitted first round bids for him, Chicago would get him? Or would Carolina still hold that position? The latter
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I gotta think a good agent will have endorsements etc that are going to outstrip that 5% you pay them, but who knows maybe he has something else in place.
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I just want a WR who can separate or box dudes out and the meanest interior lineman in the draft available after
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I really like Coleman I just don't see him lasting til 33.
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Bowers to the chargers would make sense. Premium guy going to a team that if not for some horrible injury luck and abhorrent coaching wouldn't be picking there. San Diego need a reliable chain mover, who can add an additional dimension to an offense that is kind of lacking in reliability and he fits the bill. Its such a deep WR class that they can probably go back to back on offensive skill positions and be fine.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Ja'Marr Chase A qb doesn't change Marshall being dumb as rocks and a lazy dipshit.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Lowkey, I want my packers to trade for him. At this point a late pick would probably get it done. If he's not stopping on routes, running the wrong route or not bothering to block he's lining up incorrectly and costing us touchdowns. The dude just does not want to be a pro football player. He pissed and moaned during the season because he hosed off all camp and every play about not getting time so he was given permission to seek a trade and no one offered poo poo. The dude needs a new situation in the worst way.
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I can see the merits of the Chargers taking another WR in the first especially one of Nabers calibre. I think if this season has taught us anything, its that its probably a pretty good idea to give your young QB receivers. A good WR/QB combo covers up a lot of deficiencies, and without them it's all people see.
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I remember a lot of people being split on Baker but I don't recall many people at least in tff who were overly critical of it.
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I think Willis looked horrid in the games he played and very few teams will be jumping out of their skin to pick him up.
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To be fair betting on nfl teams to do something stupid... kinda safe bet.
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I still don't think JJ goes before the third.
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Nosre posted:https://twitter.com/FootballEJ/status/1749838140712603950 Hoping Dan Morgan does the needful and goes after one.
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