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Black Lighter posted:What's crazy is that there's still a chance he could fall in the draft once reporters and GMs start asking questions about what his dad's been up to since retiring Marvin Harrison played the game the right way™, so his crime empire was never an issue. Can't see why it would be a concern now.
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I think the point is that Harrison lacks the clear deficiency that other top end prospects have had. There's simply nothing he's bad at.
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Nov 19, 2023 23:20
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Say your team is picking in between 26-32, what would it take to move up to pick 3 to get Marvin Harrison Jr.? Julio Jones trade was a 1st 2nd and 4th, plus the following year's 1st and 4th. By JJ value it looks more like 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a 4th. If you're a team like the Ravens, Chiefs, Jaguars, or Bills I think you have to entertain making that trade. Pairing your top end QB with as near a can't miss #1WR as we've seen could be revolutionary.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:06
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That's kind of been the status of the past 5 years. The hit rate on 1st round WRs has been insanely high. Almost any other year, if you pick between the #1 WR prospect or the field for who will produce the best NFL WR, I'd go with the field. I think that MHJ is just such an outlier as a prospect that those typical considerations can be overlooked. Terrible process, I know. The guy is just such a rare player. The idea of pairing him with a known high quality QB is so tantalizing.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:22
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There definitely seems to be an inverse relationship in the improved quality of WRs/CBs and decreasing quality D and O linemen.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:30
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Strongly disagree. There are some quality edges but the interior D line is lacking. We get one maybe 2 1st round level DT/NT a year.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:35
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You don't. The only thing I've seen be successful against Garrett is running and throwing right at him because he's in the back field so quick that it's hard for him to flip back the other way. One of like two pass rushers all time to live up to being a #1 overall pick.
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Nov 20, 2023 22:05
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The thing that worries me about Odunze is that so many of his highlight catches are made with his body. Admittedly, in a bunch of those situations catching with his body to protect the ball was the right move. It just makes me question his hands and ability to high point since I haven't seen him do it.
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Nov 23, 2023 18:35
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I'm sure you know better than me, since all I've ever seen are highlights. I love everything I've seen Odunze do. The high hands above the defense catch is one thing I haven't seen him do is all. He has all the hallmarks of a WR that falls to the 2nd round and makes 32 teams look stupid. Strong AJ Brown vibes.
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Nov 23, 2023 20:56
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I miss Anquan Boldin so much. The Ravens deserve all their WR woes for trading him away for a 6th round pick.
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Nov 24, 2023 20:44
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Youth often correlates with growth potential. It's one of the few useful shorthands for gauging how close a player is to their ceiling. On top of that there is the obvious value of getting more prime years if your pick is younger.
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Dec 1, 2023 18:22
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Do you really think market is a big factor in the NFL? With the salary cap and franchise tags the guys with an opportunity to profit off a big market aren't strongly empowered to move there.
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Dec 1, 2023 18:51
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Doltos posted:Not market size per se but I find it hard to imagine that if the majority of players come from Florida/Texas/California then they wouldn't prefer those locations in free agency. I also think that Seattle has gone on record saying that free agents don't like playing there because of the location but I'd have to find it. No doubt people have preferences, it's a nice little edge in a tie goes to the hometown type way. I don't think it's anything more than that. Money is the thing, especially for guys in those prime year 2nd or 3rd contracts. Even a 5% difference is usually millions and millions of dollars. Based on what I've seen, NFL players don't usually consider the marginal utility of those additional dollars.
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Dec 1, 2023 20:22
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kalensc posted:McGinn should email the 32 owners and write "one of you hired this absolute idiot as an executive. put $5 million in escrow and you'll get the name" "Definitely not my guy. Why would I put up cash to make another team better?" - All 32 Teams
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I find it funny that last year was almost exclusively small shifty route technicians and this year has 20 guys who are 6'3''+ that specialize in contested catches. God should have mixed these classes up a bit more for some variety.
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Sure, but if you look at the top 10 WRs taken last year and the current top ten prospects on say the PFF big board I bet there is a 20 pound 2 inch difference on average. It's funny. E: also, Johnny Wilson is too big. That isn't a critique of his play but his look. Dude looks so slow, like he's running at half speed. I think it's an optical illusion created by how long limbed he is. I badly want him in Baltimore next to Zay Flowers just for the aesthetic. The Puppy Bowl fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Cavauro posted:i fixed it. i took out the thinnest little piece of crap and i put mr. wilson in there. now this class is averaging 6'2.5" and 209 pounds I am drat proud of you boy. Go Bengos 
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Dec 14, 2023 04:19
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Bjork Bjowlob posted:Based on that big board, given that the Jets appear to have a chance at picking 5th/6th next year and both Maye and Alt are available, should they roll the dice on Maye or attempt to ensure Rodgers doesn't get murdered in 2024 via picking Alt? Every impressive clip of Maye I've seen has come from an immaculate pocket. Gives off strong Zach Wilson vibes.
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Dec 21, 2023 14:56
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The Ravens badly need a new LT. This is a really deep class, but I don't know if that extends to getting a starting caliber tackle at the end of the 1st round . Draft nerds, tell me everything you can about Amarius Mims, Taliese Fuaga, Tyler Guyton, and Kingsley Suamataia. Good name group by the way.
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Dec 22, 2023 19:42
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Get the gently caress out of here with that 6'4'' stuff. Give me a Michael Pierce, 6'0" 345.
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Dec 23, 2023 16:55
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Bowers is going to underperform his draft status because all the best TEs are mid round large dudes that have the Mel Gibson movie power to read their QBs minds.
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Dec 27, 2023 18:20
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Any thread draftnik thoughts on Troy Fautanu? Ravens likely need an LT to replace Stanley in 24 or 25. They also need a left guard better than free agent John Simpson. I'd love to pull a Johnathan Ogden and play Fautanu at guard as a rookie, then shift him to LT if needed to step up for the oft-injured Stanley. Does Fautanu have a possible future at LT, or does his size and play style simply prevent it?
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Dec 27, 2023 20:51
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Doltos posted:He's a big RT that's probably where you want him like Darnell Wright last year. More drive than him but similar edge setting. Big? Fautanu is a bit undersized at 6'4" 317, right?
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Dec 27, 2023 21:03
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Thanks for the info. Positional scarcity might not have as much impact for OT this year. There are a bunch of guys getting talked about as potential starters. Really glad to hear about the arm length. Pass rushers in the NFL are so well coached on using their own length that short arms really can be disqualifying for playing OT without absolutely immaculate technique and timing. The whole reason I'm into Fatanu is that he has totally popped off the screen in both Washington games I've watched. With the supposedly elite, prototypically sized guys going earlier I hope he can fall to the end of the 1st.
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Dec 27, 2023 21:44
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I'm the world of OTs. He's fat from small but it's less than average.
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Dec 27, 2023 22:02
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Jayden is the only other prospect I've ever seen with that Lamar type movement speed in the open field. Really interested to see if that holds true in the NFL. Somewhere in the NFC, preferably.
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Dec 28, 2023 19:36
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I'd avoid Maye like the plague. I haven't looked closely at the dude at all, but all his highlights on Twitter that have draftniks ohhhhhing and ahhhhing look exactly like Zach Wilson's BYU highlights. Immaculately clean pockets and wide open WRs.
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Dec 28, 2023 22:42
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Dak didn't achieve much in college. His measurables and arm talent are nothing special. The thing Dak has is an exceptional mental processor for the game and pretty good accuracy. That stuff didn't become apparent until he played in Dallas.
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Dec 28, 2023 22:50
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LOL I don't remember that poo poo at all.
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Dec 28, 2023 23:00
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Do not draft TEs early!!! They will always be outplayed by some mid-level prospect 3rd round pick with clinical Golden Retriever brain.
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Dec 28, 2023 23:05
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Large Penis Penix is a little on the nose.
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Who has the best hands in this draft? Show me the slowest mother fucker on Earth, who is 5'5' 300 pounds, but catches absolutely everything that touches his hands. I'm talking 0.002 drop rate.
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I figured Odunze might have the best hands, but was hoping it might be some lesser prospect. Years back, 2014 I think, there was a detailed chart of stats on the consensus top ten WRs in the draft from some website that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Drop rate was one of the things that really stood out. Landry was somehow under 1% and Jordan Matthews was near 9%. I love that kind of break down with Yards of target, yards per route run, drop rate, and all that other good poo poo.
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Jan 3, 2024 18:35
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Is Keon Coleman going to work in the NFL? It's a lot of contested catches.
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wandler20 posted:WR1 https://twitter.com/keithpricetrut1/status/1745315263267139865?t=WQmqaQlH60vrflXfgZWN2g&s=19 Amazing that folks are generating content from this water cooler rear end conversation.
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Jan 11, 2024 16:58
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So the idea is that Williams may go to the supplemental draft to avoid the Bears in favor of the Panthers? That's a theory.
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Diva Cupcake posted:It’s a bad one. You have to somehow lose college eligibility to be in the supplementary draft. He has plenty. It's a bad theory even if he could pull it off.
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Jan 12, 2024 20:20
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Admittedly better than Stetson Bennett with a drinking problem.
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Having 4 pass catchers going to QB needy teams instead of Jayden Daniels is some suspect valuation. Also, Bowers is going to get way overdrafted. Undersized TE that is going to end up a glorified slot receiver.
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Tight Ends are incredibly valuable but only on day 2 or 3 because that's where all the elite prospects live. Something about getting selected in the first round mucks up the social cultivation of true TE brain. They need to be like a golden retriever that loves violence and Christmas movies. I'd definitely trade a 1st round pick for a TE selected 92 overall.
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