The 2024 NFL Draft Thread - Draft Good Players With High Picks

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trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Caleb and Jayden are worth taking in the top 5.

That’s right, I’m starting the “Jayden Daniels is better than Drake Maye” train. Daniels can make throws under pressure. Choo choo mother heckers!

My draft evaluation currently consists of:
Jayden and Williams will get killed because NFL refs won't penalize players for hitting black QBs late
That being said, Jayden absolutely torched Bama so he's probably good until he gets hurt (which is how Bama won)
Drake maye is a white guy at UNC, I already had a Mitch trubisky at home
Guess that leaves Penix

# ¿ Jan 8, 2024 15:57

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 07:29

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Anyone want to do an effort post on edge talent? I keep seeing a bunch of names as the top guy and that may be who the bears are taking at 9.

Dallas Turner didn't impress me at Bama,but neither did Will Anderson last year so what do I know

# ¿ Jan 17, 2024 01:14

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

A Sneaker Broker posted:

Caleb Williams
Drake Maye
MHJ
Malik Nabers
Joe Alt
Olu Fashanu
Brock Bowers
Rome Odunze

These guys are the first off the board; nothing will change that.

That said, I would not mind the Packers trading the farm for Joe Alt as Bakhtiari's replacement if we trade him this offseason.

Bears in disarray at pick #9, looks like

# ¿ Jan 19, 2024 19:30

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

A Sneaker Broker posted:

Bralen Trice or Laiatu Latu. I'll make a thick post about Edge talent.

Don't leave me hanging!

# ¿ Jan 24, 2024 19:57

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

A Sneaker Broker posted:

Oh it's still cooking. I want to wait till the Senior Bowl. But if you insist, I'll make it now.

No worries, I appreciate you being willing to make a big writeup. I can wait.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2024 20:34

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Doltos posted:

Latu is pretty accomplished as a technician. He gets really low and constantly wins leverage battles. He's mostly a hand fighter and uses sheds more than bull rushes or beating people with athleticism. Only average first step, explosion, and strength. He's just smart on how he stunts and where he places his feet. Not a lot of wasted movement. He's also decent in coverage. Latu has a big concern with his neck though. It got surgically repaired but he did lose a ton of time to it. That's why he wears that collar roll.

Dallas Turner might be a pass rush only specialist. He's super fast and has a great corner turn. Good balance getting under guys when he does it too. He's kind of an okay run defender but I think he makes his bread and butter in trying to blow up the run in the backfield since he can get there pretty quick. I don't think he really has a firm grasp on pass rushing technique. He's got an okay rip move but other than that he appears to be all speed. Not that that's a bad thing per se since you don't really need pass rushing moves if you're that explosive. He'll most likely be a 3-4 OLB or something since you can stick him on TEs.

Chop Robinson is all effort and athleticism. I don't think he quite has a grasp on how to play the position. Penn State stuck him all over the DL and kinda just had him go after guys as a disrupting force rather than a solid defender you can rely on. He's definitely one of the most athletic guys in the draft up there with Dallas Turner but there's just no technique. He constantly gets stacked up and shoved around if his initial burst doesn't work. He needs to learn hand fighting better and how to do run fits or else I dunno. I mean the athleticism is all there on tape. He did nothing stats wise against Ohio State or Michigan but he was enabling guys around him just by being fast. Yes his name also isn't Chop but Demeioun is hard to spell.

Jared Verse is another pass rush only guy that you can drop back into coverage sometimes. He had the same role as Jermaine Johnson or Janarius Robinson where FSU just used him as a stand up blitzer constantly. He's got every pass rush move in the book and uses them all well. Great bend and agility in general. Good use of hands to go with his first step. He was completely unmanageable in the Florida game and was just whipping their backfield in the run and passing game. LSU and somewhat Clemson was bad tape though. He can't defend the run to save his life and gets completely caught in the wash when it happens. He also had problems with OTs that dip back into their stance and take him at the apex of his arc rather than trying to fight him at the line. I don't think FSU really prepares their edge rushers for the NFL.

Bralen Trice probably wont test well at the combine since he's more of an in game guy with his athleticism. He has a decent first step and great foot work. Likes to fool guys with quick moves and changes of direction at the line. After that he's kind of lost. He attacks way too high up and gets caught in blocks he should be winning. ASU's tackles were holding him up which should say something. He's a great hand fighter which makes up for it. The Texas game he was getting caught up too but was just bullying people when they tried to do it. He also seemed to get way better at movement as the season went on. I've only looked at him Tupouola-Fetui in a few games but you can see a huge difference from the ASU to Texas game. He's also a huge effort guy. In the Oregon game they were running away and passing away from him but he was chasing on every single play. He has a big problem with the run game not from lack of size but lack of understanding of run fits. He needs to take better angles persuing QBs too. He kind of is a straight line speed guy despite having good footwork. Definitely a lot of potential.

Good lord. I'm talking myself into Newton (partly due to homerism) instead of any of these guys

# ¿ Jan 24, 2024 21:41

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Amy Pole Her posted:

In what world is a 1st, 2nd, 4 and a future 4+6 not �close� to two first round picks? That�s what Tyreek was traded for.

I'll have to bust out the Jimmy Johnson chart but I thought a first, even a low one , was worth a lot more than a 2+4+4+6. Maybe I'm wrong.

I do wish we had a way to get MHJ but can't imagine passing on Caleb. Just gotta pray that one of the WRs falls somehow, that Latu checks out at the combine, or settle for Jer'zahn Newton and hope he can bring a big upgrade to the defense.

Who's available at Guard, Center and Edge in free agency? Is this still too early for looking into that? I think I'm usually not as focused on that at this time in the year, but having the back to back #1 overall has kind of skewed my interest in the sport into 'what about next year??' when the season isn't over

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jan 29, 2024

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 18:32

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Grozz Nuy posted:

Does anyone have a link to a good draft trade value chart? I'm trying to figure out what the Niners would need to give up to get into the 15-20 range because I want Taliese Fuaga in red and gold so bad.

https://www.drafttek.com/nfl-trade-value-chart.asp i just use this one, it seems close enough. I use next year's pick as worth one round less, but think that's not really accurate for real bad teams.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2024 16:17

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Grozz Nuy posted:

Thanks. In my ideal world they wouldn't give up any future picks, just consolidate some of their picks in this draft (since they have a bunch and not a lot of roster spots up for grabs) to get a higher ceiling prospect at a position of need. It would be nice if they could deal 31/32, their second and one each of their thirds/fourths if Fuaga starts to fall a bit and hold onto at least one Day 2 pick.

Yeah, my big takeaway from that chart is it's really worth moving around in the bottom of the first if the BPA at the current draft position also fills a void on your team, but going up into the top 5 is very foolish. Belichick is on record saying all teams use the same chart as each other (though probably a different one) so no real chance to fleece anybody.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2024 16:36

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Kalli posted:

Two of the last 3 were hits, you've got Pickett in '22, then Love in '20 and Lamar in '18. If we expand the cutoff to be unkind to ourselves, you add in Mac Jones and Dwayne Haskins as 15th picks in '21 and '19 though.

However before that it's a true wasteland, with a sea of suck until you go back to Flacco in '08.

So really, maybe only the Packers and Ravens should pick QB's in the 2nd half of the first.

'09-'16 there just weren't that many great QBs being drafted anyways. Stafford, Luck, and Cam were 3 #1s that panned out, then you had Wilson, Cousins, Carr, Dalton, Tannehill, Goff and Dak as hits scattered all over the place.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2024 18:47

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

If the 2006 draft were redrafted, Hester should be #1. Only HOFer from that year.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 22:32

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Dexo posted:

'and for fun

These acronyms are getting silly. Can you detail them?

Pressure 2 sack? Time with pressure? Before throwing time? What the

# ¿ Feb 24, 2024 01:21

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Diva Cupcake posted:

I always like Ringer Draft guide if only for the "shades of" comps.
https://twitter.com/DannyBKelly/status/1762553963671367808?s=20

That vivaldi accordion is incredible.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2024 20:27

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Is this an unusually fast and athletic draft class? Even the big guys are fast as hell

# ¿ Mar 3, 2024 03:49

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Who is the historical NFL equivalent of David Robinson, a super old rookie that was still awesome? Especially for someone not a QB (Kurt Warner)

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Mar 7, 2024

# ¿ Mar 7, 2024 03:16

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

sean10mm posted:

Roger Staubach?

Well I feel dumb considering they were both Navy. But QB makes it a bit different.

Cavauro posted:

terence newman wasn't on that level but he was very good for a time and came into the league at 25. i guess that's not the answer at all since he wasn't as good as you're asking for. well, i hope you liked hearing about this one

Nah that's a legit choice since he was a real high pick and stayed good for a real long time.

Diva Cupcake posted:

Mike Anderson was 27 as a rookie and rushed for like 1500 yards and 15 TDs. He went downhill pretty fast but so do most RBs.

I had no idea he was that old, wow.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2024 16:08

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Gully Foyle posted:

No way did the Vikings do that trade to just sit on both 1st round picks at the spot they are. And if they don't move up, one of the Broncos/Raiders will.

They need to trade with the Bears, who can then go edge first then JPJ at center since it's a huge need. I like Johnny Newton a ton too and would be happy to get him at 23

# ¿ Mar 19, 2024 15:04

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:

That photo is somehow gonna cost this guy millions lol.

https://twitter.com/DrJesseMorse/status/1773028345032130955

This guy's saying it's no big deal. Who knows if it's enough to shake QB needy teams (JJ mccarthy now gets picked third by the Pats)

# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 15:53

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

It's kind of funny that Justin Fields only had 3 more rushing attempts his final year in college than Rivers did in his. 4.7 ypc vs 1.4 though.
edit: Oh right, Covid year with only 8 games

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Mar 29, 2024

# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 23:10

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

I wonder how much someone his size needs to drinks to be at the legal limit. Has to be a ton

# ¿ Apr 8, 2024 00:30

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

For the Bears it all comes down to this

# ¿ Apr 10, 2024 15:21

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Dexo posted:

I would rather trade back a few picks and just take Murphy or JZ Newton, if they don't think Turner can play in this defense or Turner isn't there tbh(although if Turner isn't there that likely means either Odunze or Alt are there).

Verse is old(He's the same age as Aiden Hutchinson. and has been beating up kids, and still has a lack of bend and any way to attack other than power, Never trust older dudes who just rely on bullying younger players)

Latu is old, and is an amazing technician, and also you know had a major neck surgery, as a Defensive lineman and was forced to medically retire from one team, and UCLA doctors cleared him. I do not trust those dudes in the first round in the draft, might end up being a miss, but I'll pass.

Yeah, a few months ago I was thinking 'just take DT' and obviously a trade back would be killer. I feel like they're picking 7th in the 2003 NBA draft again and even the best pick there just isn't that amazing compared to the top 5 (lol at detroit though). Thank god we get Carolina's pick!

Assuming the wrs are gone + no trade, just have to choose between an overhyped TE, 3 flawed edges, overdrafting two great DTs, or taking a guard i guess!

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 10, 2024

# ¿ Apr 10, 2024 15:41

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

I think where stats are valuable, it's to use as a counter to someone testing poorly and not just relying only on the eye test. Iirc, Dalvin Cook tested really bad but you could just look at game tape to see his real speed, and I'm sure he had numbers too.

I suppose my argument falls apart and is solely an eye test one but it's nice to have some concrete numbers to back that up.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2024 13:58

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Doltos posted:

I decided this year to be a man of convictions and rate people how I want to instead of copying draftniks which will just result me in having Jalin Hyatt #1 again but with a different name

I like what you've done with the top 4 edge rushers. There's just no way to know which of them is going to produce with NFL coaching against NFL talent.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 23:19

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

xbilkis posted:

I would absolutely hate this for the Bears lol

I've even been bracing for "They pass on a WR to trade down" as a potential outcome and have mostly made peace with it as a possibility, but passing on Nabers specifically and doing it for a future second-rounder + the right to draft the fourth tackle off the board (who didn't play the position we'd be slotting him in at in college)...it'd be a lot to swallow

Yeah, it's awful. The bears don't even need a LT that badly, let alone need to draft a RT to play there.

I've found a few sites that compile a ton of mock drafts and the #9 is the one pick where there's just no consensus whatsoever.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 16:38

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

xbilkis posted:

OK apparently Schrager recorded a podcast yesterday where he originally had Quinyon Mitchell slotted in as the Bears pick at 15 after passing on Nabers to trade down, so I can rest comfortably knowing he has zero intel on what the Bears are actually planning

Lmao. It's not like they're a small market team that's never in the news

# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 16:59

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1780678317042974861

Really hope Washington is able to protect Jayden like LSU could this past year.

same picture meme with Justin Fields and Jayden Daniels

# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 21:13

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Doltos posted:

I have a weird belief that elite WRs aren't that valuable and are getting devalued by new age WRs that are all fast and quick but mediocre sized. There's a lot of teams out there getting by with good passing offenses and traditionally unimpressive WRs. Passing attacks are just so quick now that you no longer really require 6'4 guys that can jump out of the building who typically get taken with premium picks.

It seems like it's a lot easier to acquire them in trades than LT as well.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2024 03:27

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Kevlar v2.0 posted:

If Joe Alt and the three big WRs are gone by 9, I think the Bears either need to take Dallas Turner or trade down with someone.

I can't believe Bowers fell to #17 in that mock.

Let's say it's 2 QBs, 3 WRs, alt, Bowers, turner for top 8. And no one wants to trade up since the QBs are falling.

Who do you want in that scenario?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2024 15:21

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Kevlar v2.0 posted:

Trade down for a second rounder, grab an edge with the late first round pick and grab a decent WR in round 2.

But if no one wants to trade, maybe take a risky pick at Laitu, but I'm worried about his neck.

Yep I'm with you. It's a really rough spot to be in and I am very, very excited.

Bowers is one of those guys who has the talent to go top 10, but the top 10 mostly have bad coaches who can't use him right. Catch-22.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2024 15:48

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 07:29

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Name Change posted:

It's pretty simple, the Falcons signed Cousins to a megadeal even though they think he will die on the field before the contract is up. Their planned replacement is an older college QB who is already banged up. It makes no sense on any level and everyone in the Falcons office looks stupid.

I would have understood if the falcons took JJ and needed time to develop him.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 18:21

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