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Dane's Mock 1.0 is out. I forget, can we post archive.ph links here? 9 OT's, very goony Jet's take a TE 
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Looking at those past lists and I had completely forgotten Jalen Carter falling to the Eagles After getting Jordan Davis year before. What the gently caress, other teams
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At this point Jayden has turned the 'top 2 and then a big dropoff for QBs' into the 'top 3' right? He might still be the 3rd of those, but it's hard to imagine him slipping to 15 even
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If we're wishcasting wacky moves (since the Pats might actually do something weird for the first time in decades), let's trade down a few and get Odunze, then pair him with Penix later
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New Brugler https://theathletic.com/5203443/2024/01/16/nfl-mock-draft-2024-two-rounds-quarterbacks/ Hard to imagine Daniels making it through NE/AZ/NYG Lol @ McCarthy Definitely don't like the Pats doing WR/QB instead of the other way around 1. Chicago Bears (from CAR): Caleb Williams, QB, USC The Bears’ quarterback situation will be a hot topic as we wait for general manager Ryan Poles to reveal his cards. I don’t know what he’ll do, but I can tell you what other NFL teams believe he’ll do: trade Justin Fields and draft a quarterback at No. 1. This is as much a financial decision as it is a football decision. Williams isn’t a perfect prospect, by any means, but he is the favorite for No. 1 because of his playmaking instincts. He needs to be more consistent, but his poise and creativity are what make him special. 2. Washington Commanders: Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina Recently hired Adam Peters has taken over all football decisions for Washington and has a chance to flip things quickly with three picks in the top 40. Obviously, this selection will depend on what the Bears do. Will it be as simple as drafting whoever doesn’t go No. 1 between Williams and Maye? Very possible. Maye is a fantastic consolation prize and has the talent to develop into a top-10 NFL quarterback. go-deeper 3. New England Patriots: Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State The Patriots were cruising to the No. 2 pick until two wins in their final five games dropped them to No. 3. While that likely takes them out of contention for Williams or Maye, the Patriots still have several favorable options. With Bill Belichick no longer with the organization, there is a level of unknown here, especially considering New England needs help in so many areas. Despite questions about who will throw him the ball, though, drafting a legitimate No. 1 target is the wise move. 4. Arizona Cardinals: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU The Cardinals miss out on Harrison, but the gap between Harrison and Nabers is very thin. Arizona needs to become more explosive on offense, especially through the air — 53 NFL players this season had at least 10 catches of 20-plus yards and none played for the Cardinals. Nobody in college football produced more catches of 20-plus yards than Nabers (34). 5. Los Angeles Chargers: Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia The Chargers’ draft outlook will certainly change based on upcoming GM and head coach hires. Regardless, the offense needs more firepower. Many will scoff at tight end this high, but with his movements and pass-catching skills, Bowers is more offensive weapon than true tight end. As long as the Chargers have a plan for how to use his talent, Bowers should thrive if paired with Justin Herbert. 6. New York Giants: Rome Odunze, WR, Washington With his size/speed profile and ability to play through contact, Odunze is a quarterback-friendly target with the tools to be a legitimate No. 1 option. The Giants haven’t had a 1,000-yard receiver since 2018, but Odunze might change that as a rookie. I know there will be plenty of “Why not a quarterback?” questions. Though I think a player like Jayden Daniels is possible, drafting a quarterback in the top 10 is an ownership decision — and we know Giants ownership loves Daniel Jones. GM Joe Schoen has been on the road this fall to see all of the top quarterbacks, but I’ll go with the QB-friendly target as the answer to the team’s passing woes. 7. Tennessee Titans: Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame Alt and Peter Skoronski kicking butt on the left side of the Titans’ offensive line for the next decade is an easy pitch to make. I have nothing else to add. 8. Atlanta Falcons: Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU Arthur Smith is now the Falcons’ former head coach because he believed his scheme and (misuse of) weapons could elevate mediocre quarterback play. It is interesting to think about what Atlanta’s talented, ready-to-go roster would look like if you dropped in Daniels. After producing a minus-12 turnover margin, you can bet that will be a point of emphasis for the Falcons. In 13 starts this season, Desmond Ridder had 12 interceptions and 12 fumbles; in 12 starts, Daniels accounted for only four interceptions and three fumbles. 9. Chicago Bears: Dallas Turner, Edge, Alabama Half of the Bears’ fan base will be upset with me going Williams at No. 1, and the other half will be cussing me out for having three wide receivers off the board before this pick. But those are realistic scenarios. Even with the in-season trade for Montez Sweat, Chicago will be in the market for another impact pass rusher. An ideal fit in Matt Eberflus’ scheme, Turner is a freak athlete who rushes the passer, stops the run and should continue to get better and better. 10. New York Jets: Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State Though his run blocking is a work in progress, Fashanu already offers pro-level pass protection because of his body control, light feet and ability to sit down versus power. His intelligence and A-plus character are the cherries on top. 11. Minnesota Vikings: Laiatu Latu, Edge, UCLA 12. Denver Broncos: Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama 13. Las Vegas Raiders: JC Latham, OT, Alabama 14. New Orleans Saints: Jared Verse, Edge, Florida State 15. Indianapolis Colts: Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson 16. Seattle Seahawks: Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas 17. Jacksonville Jaguars: Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU 18. Cincinnati Bengals: Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 19. Los Angeles Rams: J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan  20. Pittsburgh Steelers: Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa. 21. Miami Dolphins: Jackson Powers-Johnson, G/C, Oregon 22. Philadelphia Eagles: Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo 23. Houston Texans (from CLE): Taliese Fuaga, OT/G, Oregon State 24. Dallas Cowboys: Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma 25. Green Bay Packers: Troy Fautanu, OT/G, Washington 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama 27. Arizona Cardinals (from HOU): Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU 28. Kansas City Chiefs: Jer’Zhan Newton, DT, Illinois 29. Buffalo Bills: Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State 30. Detroit Lions: T’Vondre Sweat, DT, Texas 31. San Francisco 49ers: Graham Barton, G/C, Duke 32. Baltimore Ravens: Jordan Morgan, OT/G, Arizona Round 2 33. Carolina Panthers: Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas 34. New England Patriots: Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
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Has drafting a TE in the top 10 literally ever worked out? Vernon Davis maybe? The last two (Hock and Pitts) are good but not worth the spot imo Gonzales was pick #13, that's as far back as I looked
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Jan 17, 2024 17:52
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fsif posted:Is there a single poster in TFF that has Maye above Daniels? Canned Sunshine posted:Mitch 2.0 Hard to not see some parallels to the discussion about Lamar just above with the "looks the part" white guys going higher. But I'm sure that doesn't map on exactly regarding Maye and Daniels' actual qualities
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Jan 23, 2024 11:34
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https://twitter.com/FootballEJ/status/1749838140712603950 Good year to need WRs indeed. Those contracts for Pittman/Higgins/et al might end up being surprisingly reasonable too with all this new talent coming in
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And this year's class is particularly loaded at the position too
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Jan 29, 2024 16:10
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We've got an especially large measurement, so he's probably going back into the mid first! https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1751982162306302101
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Jan 29, 2024 18:10
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Good draft to need an OT for once. Jeremiah's rankings: 9 (Joe Alt) 11 12 13 16 17 18 https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2024-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0
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Jan 30, 2024 21:54
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J.J. McCarthy in the first is not going to be seen as a big overdraft by the time it rolls around apparently (he's at #24 there)
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wandler20 posted:Only one of those starters was a first round pick. CMC shouldn't even count because the 49ers didn't spend a first on him. Part of this discussion is that you can get a great RB in trade/FA for cheaper than a great LT/edge
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Feb 21, 2024 10:55
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Reading commentary on Maye vs. Daniels and you'd come away thinking both are going to be disasters. For Maye it's stuff like the above, while Daniels had easy mode (2 first round WRs!) and is apparently going to die immediately with his running style https://twitter.com/KryzivenTake2/status/1758206281976873220 I say this, of course, as an idiot who just reads commentators and doesn't watch any film myself
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Feb 21, 2024 23:16
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New Kiper. Biggest weirdness looks like Latham going OT#1 to the Chargers https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/dr...2-picks-qb-fits And Odunze before Nabers
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https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1764778750628229398
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Mar 5, 2024 10:08
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We all like grasping at straws for clues, right? https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1767562874946220347
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JD directly responded to a tweet (since deleted) which was saying that last one https://twitter.com/JayD__5/status/1765093329241538925
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sometimes on other sites I instinctively think of using an SA smilie like  or  and remember only a comparative handful of other 40 years olds would know it
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The "MHJ might not go first" part isn't an insane take at least https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1769749970456805729
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my gut reaction is "oof don't let the Chiefs get Adonai Mitchell" but this WR class is so loaded that applies to like 5 guys that will be around there
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love "a coach texted me" sources, but it's hard to imagine Penix falls out of the first at this point. Too many needy teams https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1773451204175044901
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Mar 29, 2024 13:18
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https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1775511844788265063 Good clickbait there with J.J. McCarthy rising one spot, to 20
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The Beast is up https://theathletic.com/5399690/2024/04/10/nfl-draft-2024-the-beast-dane-brugler/ Maye STRENGTHS: Built well with prototypical size and room to continue filling out … has a fluid, explosive release with above -average velocity to drive the ball and make every throw on the field … smartly alters his ball speeds and delivers with loft and touch when needed … shows a good feel for hot routes and checkdowns … still a novice in this area but has gotten better using pumps and eye manipulation … quick feet on three-step drops and when reacting to pocket pressure … tape is full of dot throws while on the move (sprints, rollouts, etc.) … agile mover to evade rushers and one of the better third-down scramblers in recent years (accounted for a combined 42 first-down carries on thirdand fourth downsthe past two seasons) … led North Carolina in rushing in 2022 and understands when to slide and when to use his toughness to finish runs (had 56 rushes of 10-plus yards the last two seasons, second most in the FBS behind only LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels) … high school and college coaches all speak highly of his leadership role in the locker room and on the field (NFL scout: “Consideri ng his family’s success, I expected a cocky kid, but he’s real grounded and humble. The ‘golly-gee’ stuff isn’t an act. He’ll need time before he’s ready to lead an NFL room, but he’ll get there.”) … benefits from the older brother theory — he has three highly accomplished and athletic older brothers who pushed him to be the most competitive in the family … started 26 consecutive games the past two seasons and finished with a 17-9 record as a starter … set the school records for completions (342) and passing yards (4,321) in a single season and leaves Chapel Hill ranked top five in program history in total offense (9,227), passing touchdowns (63), 300 -yard passing games (12) and passing yards (8,018). WEAKNESSES: Plays with reckless tendencies and still learning the throws he should and shouldn’t make … generally, his accuracy is above average, but his arm gets juiced up and he will miss some layups … needs to reel back some bad habits in the pocket like excessive bouncing on his feet or fading away from throws … needs to take better care of the football and is guilty of panic decisions as he is being sacked, turning a bad play into a catastrophic play … of his 16 career interceptions, 12 came in the second half … responsible for 10 fumbles over the past two seasons … two of his most inconsistent performances in college came in the final two games he played (at Clemson and at NC State in 2023). SUMMARY: A two-year starter at North Carolina, Maye thrived in Phil Longo’s Air Raid offense in 2022 and Chip Lindsey’s more balanced attack in 2023 (head coach Mack Brown also hired Clyde Christensen, who coached Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and several other NFL quarterbacks, as an offensive analyst in 2023). Despite only two years as the Tar Heels’ starter, they were the two most productive seasons by a quarterback in North Carolina history — Maye’s 5,019 yards of total offense in 2022 set the school record and his 4,057 yards of total offense in 2023 wasthe second-most (he was the only FBS quarterback to accumulate over 9,000 yards of total offense over the last two seasons). With his arm strength and pacing, Maye put the full inventory of throws on tape and operates with timing from the pocket to attack the defense’s leverage. He is a quick-reaction athlete to make plays off-schedule as a scrambler and canrip throws from different platforms. His arm can get juiced-up at times, disrupting his ball placement, and his progression reads are still a work in progress, especially when he feels pressed to make a play (39-to-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio in the first half compared to 24-to-12 in the second half). Overall, Maye needs to cut down on the reckless decisions, but he is a well-put-together passer with the on-field command, athletic instincts and arm talent to create solutions for the problems that NFL defenses present. With his physical gifts and smarts, he is cut from the same cloth as Justin Herbert and has a similar ceiling as an NFL player. GRADE: 1st Round (No. 4 overall) Daniels STRENGTHS: Explosive plays are all over his tape (accounted for 90 plays of 20-plus yards in 2023) … electric athlete with quick, controlled feet (his father was a cornerback, and Daniels moves like one) … slithery in the pocket, and his internal clock matured at an encouraging rate … quick release and can attack every inch of the field vertically and horizontally … identifies voids pre-snap and has done a better job calming his eyes when scanning … excels with his placement on downfield throws (67.0 percent completions and 22-to-0 touchdown-to-interception rate on throws of 20-plus yards in 2023) … shows the arm confidence to attack small windows … stays balanced when navigating the pocket or feeling bodies around him … dangerous runner with the acceleratio n that destroys pursuit angles … outstanding vision, especially at the second and third levels, using blocks and quick cuts to elude defenders … adopted a tir eless work ethic to understand every nuance of the offense (LSU head coach Brian Kelly: “His work in the offseason was unbelievable … we used to cut off how long players could stay in the building but had to change our protocols and give players unlimited access because Jayden basically lived here.”) … mature and accountable leader (voted team captain prior to the 2023 season) … finished his college career with a 37-18 win-loss record as a starter … put together a consensus All-American final season with an FBS-best 412.2 total yards per game (74.1 yards ahead of Drake Maye at No. 2 on the list), becoming the first player in SEC history with 3,800-plus passing yards and 1,000-plus rushing yards in a single season. WEAKNESSES: Slender bone structure with lean features and limited growth potential … processing has improved, but he will leave reads too quickly … more likely to scramble than create second-chance throws when pressured … lived outside the numbers in LSU’s offense … accuracy suffers when he adds RPMs to his throws, usually missing high … can be more precise with his placement to make things easier on his receivers … takes too many hits on keepers, draws and scrambles and needs to better protect his body to stay durable in the NFL … benefited from elite wide receiver talent at LSU … will turn 24 as a rookie. SUMMARY: A two-year starter at LSU, Daniels was a dual-threat quarterback in former offensive coordinator Mike Denbrock’s spread, read-based offense (minimal play-action). Previously stuck in a deteriorating situation at Arizona State, he transferred to Baton Rouge, received consistent coaching and thrived with the Tigers, including a prolific and decorated 2023 season (became the first player in college football history with 12,000 -plus passing yards and 3,000-plus rushing yards in a career). As a passer, Daniels plays with poise and balanced feet, and he uncoils with a rapid release and the arm talent to layer throws to all thr ee levels, doing his best work on deep outside throws (slot fades, posts, etc.). His processing skills are ascending but still have plenty of room for improvement, especially once he is pressured (he is more likely to scramble than create second-chance throws once moved from his spot). While not overly creative as a passer or runner, his athletic instincts produce explosive runs and are part of what makes him dangerous. Overall, Daniels is a smooth point guard from the pocket when his eyes stay on schedule, and his dazzling run skills make him a problem for defenses. This isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison, but NFL scouts say he forces opponents to defend him like Lamar Jackson. GRADE: 1st Round (No. 8 overall)
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Kalli posted:Mac Jones last season in college: 77.4% completion %, 4500 yards, 41 TD's, 4 Ints SMH to use Mac when the Pats still have one of the greatest college QBs of all time on the roster, Bailey Zappe % 69.1 (nice) yards 5967 TDs 62 ints 11 rating 168.7
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Schefty's a mouthpiece for agents and teams, but how reliable is he considered for something like this? https://twitter.com/HogsHaven/status/1778889390254657897
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Apr 13, 2024 09:26
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That's what I figured. Lyin' season anyway
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IcePhoenix posted:If the Vikings take Bo Nix I'm gonna melt down Every 4-5 days either someone posts a "the Patriots would want three firsts + a 2nd + Justin Jefferson to get to 3" take in the Vikings subreddit, or someone posts a "Vikings looking to move up with 11 + 23" in the Patriots subreddit and the fanbases snipe at each other for a while Basically it seems like they're desperate to not take Bo Nix, but it's not looking like there's any takers to get up to 2-4
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Relentlessboredomm posted:On the Pats / Wash front they’re different situations bc Washington’s roster isn’t utterly devoid of talent on offense. They have a glaring hole on the o line but they also have 7 picks in the first 3 rounds including 2 picks at the top of the 2nd. They added a great young center in FA to go with their one good olineman at RG. It’s totally feasible for them to go QB & T for their first two picks and add some oline depth in the 3rd. Their needs line up perfectly with the deepest talent in this draft and they’ll get more shots at it. This OL analysis seems to line up almost exactly with the Pats, down to being good on 2 spots (in our case C and RG/RT [Onwenu]). They also have the same glaring hole (LT) and will almost certainly use a high pick on it. I don't know how the guards line up but the Pats do have 3-4 guys competing there, including their former 1st round pick who has looked ok at times (and really bad at others, I know). And all this with terrible OL coaching last year, which could go a long way if it's fixed. WR is another topic of course, but your post was mostly on OL and they really seem comparable there, not WASH being a much better spot.
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Sataere posted:I want to push back on the idea that Washington and NE have to make their move at quarterback now and say that depends on how committed you are to a rebuild. The Bears got supremely lucky in getting the number one pick, but they also made a point of doing a complete teardown and rebuild to put themselves into the position of getting their quarterback this year. No matter their record this year, they were likely to have two top 15 picks to make their move at quarterback and have enough pieces around him to succeed. From the NE perspective, the whole offseason and all of this relies on the hope that they've fixed their offensive coaching staff and do have a development plan now. If they don't, none of this matters and we'll need to wait 2-3 years for Mayo and Wolf to be fired and do it all again. Because if they can't develop a guy now, they also can't next year or the year after (plus that introduces all sorts of new uncertainties re: the quality of the rookie prospect)
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Yea I was emphasizing OL bc that's where Wash has holes unlike the Pats which have holes everywhere on offense. That's sort of the whole point, Wash has less holes on offense and more high picks to address them To me there's literally 1 guy's worth of difference in the offensive talent - McLaurin. It's about a wash in TE, RB, and the rest of the receivers.
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Sure, I don't write a qualifier like (assuming they believe in the guy) every time I mention taking a QB because every piece of info and rumor we've heard is that they do consider both Maye and Daniels to be prospects worthy of the #3 overall. If somehow all of that was smokescreen, then I definitely agree they shouldn't force it.
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764 6 QB and 8 OT round one, who says no
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I suspect that's always the case. What's the upside in being closed for business? Clock out at 5 Leave your phone notifications off without worry
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Pats' Wolf just said that they knew Washington was taking Daniels for "weeks". Not that anyone should be surprised that the media just talks a lot of poo poo, but lol
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Also still loling about the Falcons We need a drawplay with a grey-haired Kirk on crutches being surprised by an also grey-haired rookie also on crutches
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'take them first or take them last' If a QB could be legit, that's worth a first. Otherwise it's later round fliers
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