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xbilkis posted:I don't think I've ever seen RAS used to the point of someone saying "Well, [Player X] had a 9.84 and [Player Y] had a 9.32 so my preference is [Player X]". Seems like it's mostly just a shorthand for going "This guy is a (very good/average/below-average) athlete for his position" and gathering all the combine testing numbers in one place Yeah I don't get the hate, it's just combining available testing numbers in one place and assigning a score. About as objective as it gets, just don't take it as gospel in terms of them being great players or some poo poo and you'll be fine. SKULL.GIF posted:https://ras.football/ I don't know I remember L'Jarius Sneed and Tariq Woolen being big time combine performers in terms of size and speed, both taken after pick 100 and both hugely outperformed their draft slot. Then guys who performed in college but didn't test well who were drafted high and ended up disappointments. Of course you can find examples of any scenario but size and speed is pretty drat important in a corner, not necessarily the most important thing but you gotta have at least some of it. Especially in the later rounds, there are much worse strategies than taking a chance on pure athleticism and possibly unmet potential, especially in young prospects. Cash Monet posted:This is what Amarius Mims looks like at 340 btw I'm actually not crazy about tackles being insanely tall. Long arms is nice, solid body is nice, but I would say I prefer shorter legs and slightly shorter height overall because being super tall makes it very easy for pass rushers to get under you and very difficult to win that battle of leverage. In fact after a cursory look the current best tackles in the NFL are mostly 6'4 or 6'5. Which could just be because super tall guys are more rare, but just biomechanically I think there is a point at which further height is counterproductive. Play fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:it really depends a lot. Leverage can be an issue, but I think more often than not it's just foot speed. It's super rare for big tackles to move well, but it's a bit of tradeoff. Orlando Brown Jr is a middle of the pack tackle at 6' 8", and he's just so big and strong that the leverage you gain from his size is nullified. It's nearly impossible to convert that leverage into functional movement. It is much easier to just go around him because he's slow as poo poo. Mims has great foot speed, and I don't think you really see guys getting underneath him effectively that much in the uhhhh 6 or so games of film. I can think of a few times where you notice guys winning that leverage battle, but he's quickly able to replant and overpower them. Couldn't agree more on foot speed. Really in so many positions in football, it is one of the most accurate secondary predictors of success I've found. CB, WR, RB, OL, DL, poo poo I mean pretty much every position. If they can move their feet real quick and flip their hips easily it's such a huge help. BlindSite posted:Dumb draft rumours Michael Lombardi has put out I honestly kind of like Nabers better than Harrison in a lot of ways. They are very different, and it would depend on what I need for a team, but I can totally see taking Nabers over Harrison in certain situations. Odunze not so much for me Jayden Daniels seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. Climate is just the easy excuse when really no one should want to play for the Patriots.
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Forrest on Fire posted:So Bo Nix is Drew Lock. Scheme fit for Denver. I mean he kinda is a scheme fit for Sean Payton as well, dude loves checkdowns and keeping the chains moving rather than explosive plays. Thinking back to Kamara's first year it seemed like 50% of all plays ended up being a Brees checkdown to Kamara. I also am not a Bo Nix fan, at all. And I'm flabbergasted at some people rating Penix well below him, for me Penix is the premiere guy in that second tier, hell I might even put him above Maye. Reminds me incredibly much of Sam Bradford, who I always had a strange love for. I'd be stoked if a team I liked got him in the second round. Nix is like a third or fourth round QB to me, and I think the media likes him better than the teams do but we'll see. my heart breaks for this poor boy, son of a simple, hardworking Target CEO
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predicto posted:Wait am I reading that correctly? A top 1 percent all time combine result for a WR? I would not have guessed that. He really does not play like that though imo... Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Accurate? Agreed on Caleb, Drake is Daniel Jones, Jayden comp is fine but he's a better passer imo than RG3, JJ is Jay Cutler and Penix, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, is clearly Sam Bradford. Soul Glo posted:this 14 year old lacks that dog in him what does his butt look like though. that posterior chain
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Dexo posted:What. how the gently caress is Drake Maye Daniel Jones. They are both somewhat erratic passers with changeable mechanics, both pretty athletic though and I think Maye will bring similar scrambling skills as what we've seen from Daniel Jones, or maybe a bit more. Which isn't terrible, Jones has added a decent amount of value on the ground assuming he isn't tripping over his own feet They are almost exactly equivalent in height and weight (actually Jones is supposedly an inch taller which kind of shocked me since Maye looks like a baby giraffe out there, maybe he has longer arms). They both played at ACC schools (I think, I'm not fully aware of that kind of stuff) and on similar skill level teams. They both got a good amount of play in the draft process for QBs who didn't exactly light up the stat sheets or their opponents. They both have extremely dumb faces. I'd say that's enough similarities for a comp. There are certainly some differences (bigger arm for Maye, shorter release for Jones, more downfield aggression for Maye, etc.), every player is different from every other but I think there's plenty to remind me of each other. When I'm making a comp I'm not saying the careers will be similar in the least either. I'm not a huge Maye fan but I can certainly see the potential, as I think everyone can. Could he be a more athletic Justin Herbert (who I was completely wrong about, fair play) or will he be Zach Wilson 2.0? For me it all depends on how he's able to address his feet, his mechanics, and his processing. Sometimes you can teach those things, sometimes you can't. Dexo posted:Penix is like an athlete, but he cannot(or has never shown much of an ability) to use his athleticism functionally while doing the act of quarterbacking lol. Absolutely, I've seen this narrative go around a bit and it's pretty wild. Like do people think that if you can't really scramble for good yards or add value on designed runs in college you'll be able to do it in the NFL? That's pretty ludicrous when you think about it, it only gets more difficult at the next level. Maybe at one point he could do that, like high school or something, but he's gonna be a straight up pocket passer. Although any QB can take a scramble for some yards if the whole thing opens up and at least he can do that. Perhaps like a Ryan Tannehill type in terms of adding some very small value in occasional scrambles up the middle or on bootlegs. There's also the issue of him really not throwing well on the run, which should keep him in the pocket even more. Play fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Just watched a bunch of Trey Benson tape and holy poo poo. This guy is gonna be a star running back in the NFL. Haven't seen a lot of discussion about this year's crop of RBs but I'd put Benson in the top 5 of the last 3 or 4 drafts easily. The exact size you want, amazing speed including explosive short area quickness, decent moves including a great stiff arm and good jump cuts, and basically he just makes everyone trying to tackle him look like inferior athletes/football players. Breaks an insane amount of tackles. His vision may need a little work, but all the characteristics you want in an RB are there. He should absolutely go late first round, or early second at least. This is the kind of running back who is worth drafting relatively early. You can draft him and not worry too much about the running back position for years. I'm also a big fan of Will Shipley, although he's not in that early round conversation like Benson. Maybe I'll make a big effort post about RBs in this draft, since it's probably the most fun position to evaluate of them all.
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Doltos posted:Corum sucks and is the kind of back that steals carries from better backs because he's reliable Yeah he is majorly overrated. A backup who can soak up carries when necessary is probably his ceiling as an NFL player. Gareth Gobulcoque posted:Marshawn Lloyd problems are definitely Marshawn Lloyd problems. I don't think he even underwhelmed, he averaged 7.1 yards per carry. While his fumble percentage over his career is very high I think it's mostly mental mistakes rather than any sort of physical security issue. He takes a lot of tackles well behind the line where he could have just stuck his foot in and gone for a short gain instead of taking it outside into the defense for minus 5 yards. But then sometimes he just absolutely takes over drives. One of my problems with frankly a lot of RBs in this draft is how goddamn bounce-happy they are. I realize that this actually works very well in college where edge defense is a bit softer and the running back is one of the best athletes on the field. In the NFL, of course it can work but only when the defense is right for it, like goal line plays where the middle is overloaded. But overall you are much more likely to be caught by an edge defender/linebacker/DB for a TFL in the league. You HAVE to know how to press the middle and follow your blocks, since a short gain of two to four yards versus a loss of a similar amount is such a big deal when it comes to the success of a given drive. Marshawn Lloyd and Bucky Irving are huge offenders in this category. Alright I'll just put up a preliminary list of the guys I like best so far, haven't finished evaluating everyone though. 1) Trey Benson: Really has it all from my perspective. Speed, size, moves, ability to break tackles (he literally set a record for broken tackles per rush attempt in one of his years). Didn't fumble a SINGLE TIME in college. Pretty good vision. May need to adjust is running style in the NFL to something a bit more straight ahead. 2) Jaylen Wright: Doesn't have great moves but in some respects is the total package. Sufficient NFL size, more than sufficient speed, very athletic (his broad and vert were fantastic). He can be a home run hitter in the NFL, but he's not just a specialist like that because he can definitely pound it in the middle and can serve as an every down back. Runs upright and lacks power and contact balance, however. I like this guy a lot more than most. 4) Jonathan Brooks: I don't like him as much as many do. He kind of takes a while to get up to speed, he has long long legs (which also brings up injury concerns and he did just tear his ACL). Stops his feet too much and goes down on first contact often. Just not sure his athleticism and style will translate well in the NFL. On the plus side he does have some pretty nice moves, good vision, good long speed once he's fully up to gear, good at sneaking through defenders through small gaps, good at manipulating defenders on the second level. Excellent production in college. He can bring value but I think he will end up as a much better college player than he will be in the NFL. 3) Marshawn Lloyd: Already kind of covered him but I love his speed and his size/composition. Really really good moves, top flight athleticism with great speed and short area quickness, and big time home run potential. But, he has a very upright running style that severely limits his tackle breaking ability. His vision also needs some work. Bounces way way too much, NFL coaches will have to drill it into him that he needs to take what's there more often. Has a fumbling problem. Probably not an every down back at this point, otherwise I would've put him above Brooks I think. 5) Will Shipley: Now we're kind of into specialist territory. Pure gadget back due to how slight he is. NFL speed. Surprisingly good stiff arm. Excellent at slithering through cracks in the defense and sets up second level defenders well. Really good start/stop and can hurdle defenders. Appears to have pretty good vision. Catches the ball well which will be crucial for his role at the next level. On the negative side, he's very very thin, could never handle a starting back workload. Does not have a lot of production as his college team knew this. Fumbled three times this season and will be even more of a fumble risk at the next level. 6) Braelon Allen: Another specialist, this guy is a big old bruiser, that's for sure, and guys like him have a mixed history in the NFL. But as a short yardage back I think he could bring some value. He's decisive and can take what is blocked up and a bit more. Regularly runs over defenders on the second level. Not very explosive but for what he is, I would not mind having him as a backup RB able to step in and keep the offense moving if the starter is out, as well as get some play on short yardage. Perhaps Blake Corum should be in there, maybe above Allen or Shipley, but he just bores me so much that I refuse to watch a bunch of his tape. Ray Davis I didn't watch much of but I think he has potential, and at the very least could handle a full workload along with Corum. Bucky Irving is going to be a massive bust. Not a fan of Estime or Guerrendo.
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Been taking a look at Utah edge Jonah Ellis and man, I am impressed. He could be a bit of a diamond in the rough assuming he's there in round 3, maybe even late round 2 if you really like him. An absolute steal if he's around in the fourth round. He doesn't have the full package, but he has some of the best and most violent hands out of any edge rusher in this class, maybe THE best. Not sure of the measurements but he appears to have extremely long arms for his size. Long arms and violent hands play really well in the NFL, you can move blockers around, stymie their punches, collapse the pocket, and set up really good moves. Has a devastatingly effective spin move and some good hook, cross chop and push pull stuff. I really like how he breaks down when approaching the quarterback, chops his feet and stays ready to pounce so he doesn't overrun it and doesn't leave a path to escape. Very good production this season (12 sacks and 16 (!) TFLs) especially considering he missed the last three games of the season. Only 21 years old. On the negative side, not much of a first step and very little bend. Skinny legs compared to his upper body. Won't test due to a shoulder injury that ended his season. Not particularly big and can be overwhelmed in run defense on the edge. Still, to me he absolutely looks like an NFL player. kiimo posted:Which one of you put your name in the draft 4.98 for a wide receiver at 5'7 158 is an absolute travesty. No idea who this is but testing at the combine was a huge mistake. The vert and broad too, my goodness. xbilkis posted:The real clickbait juice is La Canfora projecting six QBs in round one, including JJ at 2: Not even a huge Maye fan (although I admit I'm slowly coming around on him just on pure potential and youth), and I like JJ fine, but taking McCarthy over Maye could end up looking like taking Sam Darnold over Josh Allen, or Mitch Trubisky over Patrick Mahomes. AKA a floor-over-ceiling decision that ruins careers if it doesn't pay off.
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kiimo posted:Hardman and Worthy are not really similar They aren't in many ways, but they both have kind of poor hands. Diva Cupcake posted:Penix has met with the Raiders and Vikings. Starting to seem pretty clear that Penix is absolutely going first round, only question being how high.
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Cash Monet posted:Is it nuts to like Penix more than Daniels? Not at all. They are both polarizing for completely different reasons (apart from age, them both being old is something they have in common). But as far as Penix being a better pro than Daniels, that is absolutely, 100% possible. I think this draft will have a higher than usual number of competent starters at QB come out of it, and I think Penix will be one of them. Plus, it's the kind of take that makes you look like a genius if you're right and if you're wrong we can just never talk about it.
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Comfortador posted:Is that list made public? Or is it up to the team? No they're not public and teams will pretty much never publicly reveal them. Generally the information will come from the player's agent, assuming it benefits the player. They just text that little snitch Rapaport Kalli posted:Up to the team, I think they mostly get out, but it's team message board levels of obsession to track that stuff imo. Which is kind of funny since it's probably one of the most relevant pieces of information you can have if you are interested in how the draft is likely to go down in reality.
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:You get a lot from prospect Twitter accounts too, the whole thing is a farcical shell game though. Sometimes teams bring in players they really like, sometimes it's guys they have no interest in drafting at all but want other teams to think they're interested in, sometimes it's about recruiting UDFA, sometimes it's just total randos for the pageantry. nah I'm pretty sure the Ravens are definitely planning to replace Lamar with Bo Nix e: god drat it is so Walter Football to still list the team in question as the Washington R*dskins double e: You also notice that teams which have more media coverage have so many more players listed. Or else they release them publicly maybe? Steelers have 84 players listed, the Rams have 5 Play fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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kiimo posted:Worthy getting the bad hands rep, while playing with a broken hand. Just sayin You're right, but I'm not just talking about when he had the broken hand. He played half the season (iirc) with healthy hands and it looked pretty much the same honestly. Not saying he's absolutely terrible in that respect but he definitely dropped more passes than you would want to see optimally.
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The question wasn't whether Daniels is the better prospect. It was whether it's nuts to like Penix better than him. And it's not, depending on what a person is looking for in a quarterback. Penix has skills and attributes that Daniels does not, and vice versa. Even outside of fan preference, I'm sure there are teams and scouts out there who feel that Penix would suit their organization better than Daniels.
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Dexo posted:To me process, and traits matter more when judging prospects than results. I personally really really don't like dudes with 4 to 5 years of starts who suddenly explode and dominate without a notable change in their process, but have better results that could be easily explained by a surrounding cast of great players. Or being able to out athlete folks in college. Definitely a legit criticism, but Penix did a lot of good things in Indiana too. He was the best quarterback they've had for a long time, went 10-2 as a starter with solid TD/INT splits, and was looked at as a top 5 college QB at many points despite playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in all of college football. He's always been at least a good player. Not only that, but the year before Penix arrived Washington went 4 - 8, if you skip the covid year they went 8 - 5 the year before that. He's not the only reason for that improvement of course but he's a big one. His age is definitely an issue for me, a man playing against boys in some respects these last couple season, but he was injured so often and missed so much time early. Really all of these issues could be leveled just as easily against Daniels, maybe even more easily, who is only six months younger and has essentially the exact same story of blowing up after transferring. Despite all that, I still like them both. quote:Once again if I'm wrong I'm wrong, I do this poo poo as a hobby for funsies. Well why don't you leave it to the pros like myself then?? lmao nah exact same and I also have plenty of misses in my history, I have a much better track record with defenders and WRs/RBs than QBs. I missed on Josh Allen and Justin Herbert being good. Perhaps more painfully in the other direction, I was wrong about Dwayne Haskins and Sam Darnold. But I've had some hits too, which I won't name here because I am a humble man. At the end of the day, NFL teams are full of people paid to do this, who have been doing it their whole professional lives, and who have access to inside information and the privilege of actually being able to meet and talk to these prospects. If they can't regularly get it right then what hope do we have? But I enjoy watching film and trying to extrapolate correct opinions from it. I don't even really disagree with you overall, I think as a prospect a second round grade is probably fair, given the multiple question marks. I just have this inkling that he might end up being a better pro than we think, and I like that he isn't as much of a projection as guys like Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy. I feel like you know what you're getting with him, unlike some other guys. But since Josh Allen I've learned not to totally write off prospects like that. Ornery and Hornery posted:lol at Bill’s language there “is Williams a better prospect than Goff coming out? Or other top qb prospects? It’s impossible to say!!!” Needed some justification for his silly thesis. Peak silly season atm, but this just seems desperate. Needed to put some words down so he could get paid I guess
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IcePhoenix posted:I see a lot of criticism about Penix not being mobile but is there a reason he can't just be good at avoiding sacks? Looking at the NFL leaders in sack % over history and there's not exactly a lack of statues on the list. He IS good at avoiding sacks, I completely agree. He can maneuver in the pocket well and he can get set quickly after doing so. Look at his game against Texas (to be fair probably the best game in his entire career, but still Texas had one of the best D lines in the nation) where he would dodge an incoming Byron Young with a quick sidestep, step up slightly, and throw a seed down the field. Often without a full throwing motion, just a quick flick. He is also not scared to make a throw when he's about to be laid out. But what's notable is how rarely he puts the ball in harm's way in those situations and how often it turns into a completion. And if all that fails, he'll throw the ball away, which I am totally fine with and is a good skill to have given how sacks kill drives. Or he'll occasionally scramble. Or he'll take the sack, but he's also good about not fumbling, only 4 fumbles in his career. Calling him a statue is such bullshit. Yes he stands tall in the pocket, but he can move well with defenders around, he's got some quickness, he keeps his eyes up when maneuvering and is always looking to throw. A Sneaker Broker posted:Man, this LB class sucks so much. I haven't even looked at them to be honest, but yeah it seems like according to consensus it is a rough, rough year for off ball LBs. I wonder if any teams will try to convert a later round safety or something
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What's the best football name in this draft class? Frankly it's a disappointing crop in that respect. We've got the Kool aid man but pretty unappealing outside of that, at least from what I've seen so far.
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Soul Glo posted:ladd mcconkey, chop robinson, ruke orhorhoro are all in the top 100, some good names right there Ooo I like Ruke Orhorhoro that is fantastic
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Kevino07 posted:https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1777071577214980293 The Eagles have found Their Guy Or maybe the Chiefs mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/SKProFootball/status/1777008986597851185 Hilarious how it says Report except there is no actual report, no actual information, no proof, no anecdote, no example, nor anything else that would give the slightest amount of credence to this accusation.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:https://x.com/easton__butler/status/1777375714825601278?s=46 That's the guy who smacked a girl in the head as he was walking by after Tennessee fans stormed the field right
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A Sneaker Broker posted:DUI's aside, who is that one prospect in this year's Draft that is "Your Guy"? If you had to pick one to bank your future on, who? Going at least into day 2, because yeah the top of the draft is filled with my guys who are basically can't miss especially at receiver (although I'm cheating a bit at RB since none of them will likely go first round). I haven't really looked at guys likely to go rounds 4 - 7 so all of these guys are in the 2nd to 3rd or possibly 4th round : Jonah Elliss, Edge - Best and most powerful hands in the class, and I value that a whole lot in an edge defender. Knows how to break down and finish a sack as well. Bit heavy footed and plays too high, also some injury concerns. Still, very underrated player imo Trey Benson, RB - Pretty much the total package at RB: speed, vision, tackle breaking. Massive yards after contact guy but also has breakaway speed. Maybe doesn't have the most impressive moves if I had to criticize. Xavier Legette, WR - AJ Brown 2.0. Plays stiff and straight-backed but has excellent play strength and speed. Good downfield target but can also take a slant to the house. Andru Phillips, CB - Has all the things a good cornerback needs, maybe a little short and plays low but balled out at the senior bowl in 1 on 1s which I love to see Jaylen Wright, RB - Maybe a little weak inside, but excellent top speed and acceleration, great contact balance and breaks tackles well. Runs nice and low. Lower half maybe a little thinner than I'd like. Calen Bullock, SAF - Speedy, rangy safety. Really thin though, and doesn't wrap up enough so he'll have to work on those things. Best in cover 1 or cover 3 to maximize his ranginess but cover 2 or 4 would be fine too. He's game to tackle but definitely not a force player near the line of scrimmage. Ricky Pearsall, WR - All the makings of a successful slot receiver
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wandler20 posted:makings aka white doesn't hurt, no
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Doltos posted:Not really sure if Pearsall is a slot guy he plays more like a X. I can see why you'd say that, he did play both slot and outside quite a bit, as well as going into motion frequently as a decoy or taking an end around/jet sweep. Also not a tiny guy in terms of height, albeit pretty slim and arms look a bit short. But I liked his blocking mostly, which would play well in the slot, and I liked how he knows how to throttle down when necessary and find gaps in zone. And he was better than you'd think making catches in traffic, although he did get knocked around a bit in press and during his routes against more physical defenders. Wherever a team decides to play him, I'm a fan. Gotta work on the drops, and his route running is good sometimes and other times not so much. If he could be had in round 3 or later that would be a steal imo, although that's starting to look unlikely as it seems he's climbing draft boards recently
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Some crazy takes, for me, in the Beast. Bo Nix over Penix. Jonathan Brooks and Blake Corum as the top two RBs (that one is absolutely insane to me). Graham Barton over JPJ at center (I haven't bothered to watch center film but I know that's surely a hot take). Latu third best edge rusher (low), with Marshawn Kneeland from Western Michigan at fifth (no way he should be that high). Terrion Arnold over Quinyon Mitchell (maybe not a massive hot take but still, not something I agree with). Junior Colson LB1. He seems to really put a lot of weight in two things that I don't think matter all that much: team success (several Michigan guys higher than I would expect) and having received no injuries. As long as medicals clear I look at injuries more as poor luck than anything else, unless I see something in the tape that seems to suggest their play is problematic in those terms. That being said, I don't mind some hot takes of they truly believe it, even if I personally think they are wrong. Still a fun thing to browse through
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Doltos posted:Barton is a road grader and nasty inside guard with a ton of strength playing at tackle the last few years. JPJ is pretty raw. Either way you should probably watch film before you judge a ranking. I'm not judging whether it's right or wrong per se, just saying that it's a bit of a hot take simply based on what I've seen in the media where JPJ has tons of supporters. But you're right, and maybe I will start getting into IOL although it's not my favorite position to grade. By the way, if anyone wants the Beast and doesn't have The Athletic I could probably put it up on google drive for y'all. Could also just post some sections if anyone wants to see about a specific player or positional rankings.
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I'm with you on Verse. I think he's good, but like 2nd round good. Latu was so dominant that I think you happily take the chance on him. Without the injury history he's about as blue chip as you get at DE. With the injury history, I think you still take him early to mid first because he's that good. DE1 and it's not even close for me. imo both these guys would be second round at best most years. It's just an extremely lovely year all along the defensive line, for my money. A bad year to have big needs at edge or interior. Byron Murphy is literally the only guy I think is clear first round quality between both edge and interior. I like Dallas Turner and think he has a lot of potential, but there's a lot of projection with him. Latu is decent but the neck injury as has been said is really tough. If there's a single injury I care most about it's neck and spine, followed I suppose by foot and very persistent soft tissue injuries. abelwingnut posted:what's the word on javon baker & issac guerendo? i've been told they're quite underrated. For my part, not a big Isaac Guerendo fan. I mean the speed is intriguing, his entire combine was absolutely insane, but everything else is chock full of red flags. Tape not that impressive, usage and stats not that impressive, vision not that impressive., injured a lot. Haven't even looked at Javon Baker but I'll post Brugler's take on them both because why not. Guerendo:   Baker: 
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kiimo posted:What about neck un-fusion surgery like Chiefs legend Justyn Ross fusion creates energy, logically unfusion must take energy away so im gonna say thats bad
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kS8YvQZtVmQsL97DuCWNXo5cE32M9uRY/view?usp=sharing hopefully that works. also, I believe I removed the password protection but if that didn't happen for some reason it is: *TH3*B3A$T*2024*
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kiimo posted:So someone tell me why Washington should take Daniels over Maye because everything I see about Maye makes me think he's a better pick. To put it in extremely simple terms because I've probably expended enough words on these guys already: Daniels has the higher floor, by a lot. He's faster and more athletic, has much more developed and repeatable mechanics, more consistent accuracy, etc. Maye has more immediate bust potential because a lot of what he is is based around projection, but probably has the most upside just based on his arm strength, youth, and overall profile. He has Josh Allen / Justin Herbert upside. Basically to me Daniels is probably the safer pick, with Maye being a pick that either earns you a great reputation as a front office or gets you fired. Personally I tend to think that Washington will take Maye despite most mocks seeming to have them go Daniels.
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Cash Monet posted:He scored 45 TDs two seasons ago (38 pass, 7 rush) and 33 last season (24 pass, 9 rush). For sure, didn't mean to suggest that there isn't. It's not by any means even mostly projection. But I still would contend that Daniels, with his ability on the ground which will play in the NFL, better overall accuracy and ball placement, and mechanics that look the same every time is the safer floor pick. He also had 50 total touchdowns and only 4 INTs last year, so a pretty much impeccable statline there for him if you like stats. Maye has good stats but when you watch him miss a receiver by five yards multiple times per game, wander directly into pressure for no reason, and fail to normalize his feet and throwing motion, you can see the concerns people have with him. That kind of errancy will be punished much more often in the NFL, and Daniels is obviously better in those categories. That being said I've gotten more and more convinced by Maye as time goes on. The youth is huge for me, the arm talent, the size, the athleticism, the production with questionable talent around him. If he develops properly he's the kind of prospect that could take you all the way. That's why I think Washington WILL go with Drake Maye.
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What's really nice these days, if anyone wants to become a world famous internet football scout like myself, is that you can just search youtube for something like "[player name] every snap/pass/rush/coverage/whatever" and often you'll be able to find a full game or multiple games with every relevant snap included. Makes it a lot easier to actually get a feel for a guy, see how they move, see both good plays and bad ones, and to me it's fun. To a point at least.
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Apr 12, 2024 03:57
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JGdmn posted:lol, I had no idea Josh Allen was from the Central Valley. He makes so much more sense to me now. I had no idea he was even from CA. Never heard of a place called Firebaugh despite living here most of my life. Must be absolutely tiny, completely flat and deadly boring
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Although, Jayden's AVG on scrambles/rushes ballooned from 4.8 his first year with LSU to a coincidentally mirrored 8.4 this past year. There's no doubt he's an incredible athlete in the running game, with game-breaking speed and some pretty nice moves, and that those skills WILL play in the NFL. But, something definitely changed there. Could be that he took less sacks? Looks like he took about half the amount compared to his first year there, and I've heard college stats subtract sack yardage from rushing totals. But there must be more to it. kiimo posted:Bakersfield is the drain of all that. who?
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Apr 12, 2024 18:15
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Dexo posted:The Numbers I look at ignore the Sacks rushing yardage removal. Does it have the YPA separated by designed runs and scrambles as well by any chance? Just out of curiosity.
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Iodised QQ posted:Loving the thread oscillating between one draft effort post and one edp poo poo post well, I for one have learned a lot today. i can go to sleep tonight with a smile on my face, knowing my brain has grown observably bigger and yes, that sounds just about right for Modesto
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Apr 12, 2024 20:22
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Ornery and Hornery posted:JPJ has such an ideal body shape for an IOL you could set out dinner for a family of four on that rear end
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Apr 12, 2024 23:28
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There's really only two options. So as a talking head you've got a fifty percent chance to be right, all legit information set aside. Those are pretty good odds for schefty considering that no one will call him out even if he's wrong.
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TWO first round picks (with the second being a likely pretty high first rounder) and and two third round picks to move up two spots late in the first round? lmao absolute nutty poo poo. funny though
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Ornery and Hornery posted:This is nice, thanks for sharing. Optimally you want to see both, although that's a pretty obvious statement. If I had to choose one, it would definitely be consistently getting decent positive yards. That's just way more important in the big scheme of things, where realistically huge run plays won't happen that often, but keeping the offense on schedule is crucial to overall success. And one of the best predictors of both things is tackle breaking, so that's my number one requirement for RBs. One of the reasons I like Trey Benson and Jaylen Wright so much is that I believe they can be both solid producers inside on tough runs, and home run hitters when the seas part. That chart is interesting, but I still don't think it really captures what a running back is or could be. Stacked boxes can mean a lot of things, it depends a lot on what kind of defenders are in the box, how many blockers there are, the quality of the defending and blocking in question, the type of run called, etc. I think RB is one of the most pure 'eye test' positions on football. When I see a good one I feel like I know it. That being said I have not watched Isaiah Davis or Jadeq Shirden, maybe I will do that since this chart seems to like them so much.
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