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AndrewP posted:actually insanely good quarterbacks elevate their team. Stroud had every excuse to be lousy this season but, being insanely good, he has lifted them to competency Now make Eberflus his coach. Fields isn’t as good as stroud, but he can be the guy for a team with even middling coaching if someone can teach him when to stay in or leave the pocket.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Now make Eberflus his coach. He might even still have potential, though the Bears are probably better off finding a new QB to Bears.
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I think Fields is ultimately fated to be like, the 18th best quarterback in the league with maybe higher-than-usual upside if you find a situation for him that's absolutely perfectly tailored to his strengths, and lower-than-usual downside if you just put him in a vanilla offense that's designed for Joe Quarterback to run The absence of drive-to-drive consistency in all but like...two? games of his career is a problem that goes beyond playcalling and personnel imo so I'm not really worried about him leaving Chicago and suddenly unlocking this superstar level to his game
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xbilkis posted:I think Fields is ultimately fated to be like, the 18th best quarterback in the league with maybe higher-than-usual upside if you find a situation for him that's absolutely perfectly tailored to his strengths, and lower-than-usual downside if you just put him in a vanilla offense that's designed for Joe Quarterback to run Yeah, that's where I'm at with Fields at this point, now. 35 games into his career, I think he's shown us what he really is, which is to say: 1) He's not a pocket passer, 2) he has terrible footwork in the pocket, 3) he has real issues with fumbles and strip sacks, 4) he holds onto the ball way too long and 5) he's playing terrified because he's running for his life on almost every dropback. Sure, every now and again he can nail a laser bolt to DJ Moore, like he did to set up the game-winning field goal the other night, but all too often he's ignoring receivers who are completely open with no DBs anywhere near them because he's already staring at and locked-on to his target, drat the torpedoes. Maybe some other team can unlock something with him, but I just don't think he's the guy in Chicago.
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Fields is simultaneously the best QB in Chicago history and needs to be shipped out because he can't succeed here. I say this in all sincerity
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He's better than Rex Grossman, Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton. But he's doomed to failure with an organization that refuses to play to his strengths.
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Fields is absolutely not better than Jay Cutler. He's probably not even better than Mitch Trubisky. Come on now.
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Diva Cupcake posted:He's probably not even better than Mitch Trubisky. Come on now.
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The337th posted:Come on now. code:
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Diva Cupcake posted:Mitchy beats him in literally every productivity metric, despite also having a lovely HC/OC and supporting cast. Well, if they're both statues firmly cemented to the ground, these are definitely the only metrics for productivity that are needed
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I can't imagine a world where someone thinks Fields is better than Jay Cutler.
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Zurreco posted:I can't imagine a world where someone thinks Fields is better than Jay Cutler.   I was mostly talking out my rear end but I'm shocked how close their career Bears passing stats are , and Fields is miles ahead at running the ball. The big difference is sacks taken where yeah, that shows he really does hold onto the ball way too much. Cutler suffered just as bad behind miserable lines and no WRs for years. trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Jay Cutler was definitely better than Fields and I don't even like Cutler
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WTF Cutler wasn't great but he's definitely better than Fields.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Fields has been sabotaged. Justice for Fields.
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Kurgarra Queen posted:Sabotaged at a cosmic level. He was an Ohio State QB and is now a Bears QB! He must have done something terrible in a past life.... That’s what happens when you follow the path of Mike Tomczak.
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Fields has shown that, if he's protected well and is given the 18 seconds he wants to throw, he can absolutely thrash people - like the Denver and Washington games this year. The fact the offensive line has started to gel together (the blitz happy Vikings game notwithstanding) does give me some pause, especially if they *don't* use the Panthers pick on a QB and trade down, you're almost certainly adding another few pieces on the offensive line and getting Fields another top flight receiver. So, there's a real debate there. But if you have the 1st overall, it's probably impossible to not draft a QB with it. I dunno.
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I don't believe Caleb Williams can mentally handle being a Bears Quarterback and Fields can, he's a rock.
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Mike N Eich posted:But if you have the 1st overall, it's probably impossible to not draft a QB with it. I dunno. They'd be better served to grab Marvin Harrison Jr. or Brock Bowers, rather than Maye or Williams. Getting a Pro Bowl-level talent onto the field is going to help Fields look a LOT better.
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mdemone posted:They'd be better served to grab Marvin Harrison Jr. or Brock Bowers, rather than Maye or Williams. Getting a Pro Bowl-level talent onto the field is going to help Fields look a LOT better. I dunno, I'm pretty firmly in the camp of 'Fields would be pretty good if extricated from the morass of Chicago Bears football', but he's got DJ Moore and Cole Kmet to throw to. The overall talent level could be better, but it's not like he doesn't have anyone.
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Fields looked pretty awesome on the first drive of the game against minny. beyond that, well to be honest with you the game was pretty boring so I didn’t pay much attention, but he seemed inconsistent, which I guess is ultimately his issue
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Hot Diggity! posted:Fields is incapable of playing in rhythm Trade Fields to the Fremen Sandworms 
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AndrewP posted:Justin Fields cannot fail, he can only be failed this is correct, thank you!
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Fields is a great QB for the Bears in that he’s not a great QB.
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I have decided to become a Justin Fields Dead-Ender and will defend his honor, online.
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FizFashizzle posted:Ben Johnson is going to unleash fields’ potential next year. In Atlanta
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Amy Pole Her posted:Fields on Carolina would tear it up Throwing to who? Tepper's wife?
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Black Lighter posted:Throwing to who? Tepper's wife? In this reality they take a shot at a mid to decent deep threat receiver and try to wring out another year out of their white stallion
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