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| The fall of Valentina Shevchenko |
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3 | 7.14% |
| Tom Aspinall's comeback |
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1 | 2.38% |
| Francis Ngannou floors Tyson Fury |
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34 | 80.95% |
| actually boy that one was really great |
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1 | 2.38% |
| honestly you should probably vote for that one |
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1 | 2.38% |
| why are you still reading this |
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2 | 4.76% |
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STONE COLD 64 posted:here are your ifo-ufc champions as recognized by me. if you're coming off a loss you arent #1 contender. what shape are the ifo-ufc belts?
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welcome to the turtle tank, friend carl the water's fine
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kimbo305 posted:Why are they doing this promo? Mike is training to fight a washed up old cokehead sex pest. What better sparring partner than Flair?
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Coaching the Clueless - Jun Yong “The Iron Turtle” Park What up? While I have been watching MMA for over 20 years (Christ), and there are some technical details I’ve slowly picked up on, there’s still a lot of stuff I see work, but don’t know why or how it works. So I’ve asked CommonShore to coach me through the more technical aspects of the things I like done by fighters I like. CommonShore, why don’t you introduce yourself, drop your bonafides. CS Sez: Hi I’m a long-time MMA dork, having watched the majority of UFC events since Tim Sylvia was champ, and I’ve to my shame watched most of the events by Bellator and many other b-league promotions. I do a rankings article with our pal Carl. I’m also a second-degree black belt and certified coach in judo, a purple belt in bjj, I have done some training with an Olympic wrestling alternate, and I was at one time licensed as an amateur boxer: a very solid weekend warrior, if I say so myself. First up, The Iron Turtle, Jun Yong Park and his three most recent wins, all by rear naked choke. Vs Joseph Holmes https://imgur.com/LxH3TDZ.mp4 Park works his jab, which is difficult at a reach disadvantage to Holmes. He catches a kick and gets a takedown. Holmes is back up, but Park takes his back and drags the fight down again. Park gets both hooks and starts seeking the RNC. Holmes defends it well and eventually peels Park off and takes Jun Yong’s back in the closing seconds of the round. https://imgur.com/u56OM4h.mp4 https://imgur.com/ouTRR8r.mp4 https://imgur.com/UkUix7P.mp4 Park gets a clinch early and Holmes gives up his back standing. Park lands a slick takedown by kicking out both of Holmes’s legs. He gets his hooks in, but Holmes scrambles back, even getting all the way to half guard, but Park works back to back mount. Park lands more ground and pound until the RNC presents itself and he gets the submission win. That takedown in the second round was cool as hell! CS Sez: Yes, that takedown is definitely cool as hell. Judo doesn’t even have a name for that one, so far as I know. I’m going to call it a double crab hook takedown from back bodylock (to force a Judo name we’ll call it nidan kani gake, because everyone loves it when Judo people go well actually with terminology). Basically he gets Holmes’s weight shifting backward and gets his feet in the crab ride position - butterfly hooks in the knee ditches - just for a second, while the little jump adds a bit more weight to collapse Holmes into a back grounded position. Not that complicated, but definitely not common. Vs Denis Tiuliulin https://imgur.com/WKS3TyJ.mp4 https://imgur.com/gq8YcTq.mp4 Park comes out pumping the jab as usual. He ducks a punch from Tiuliulin and looks for a takedown. Park gets the fight to the mat and ends up in full mount. They’re in an awkward spot against the fence for a bit, but Park eventually repositions to give himself room to ground and pound. He lands some solid elbows that cut open Tiuliulin, then sinks the rear naked choke when Denis gives up his back. What was available to Park when he had mount but Tiuliulin was against the fence? CS Sez: The takedown is nice - over/under with hands connected behind his opponent’s back, and then the outside trip / kosoto to finish it. It’s hard to see but he may have thrown a quick little inside trip attempt in there too, just before pinching his opponent’s leg between his knee to drag him down. When Tiuliulin’s back is against the fence, Park is actually using that grip with his legs to help keep the position turning. The following mount position is a dealer’s choice spot, but I think that he made the right choice by securing his posture and then going to strikes while looking for the back. Tiuliulin probably also made the right choice from his options of getting elbowed in the face or tapping out to a rnc. Vs Albert Duraev https://imgur.com/iKWylD0.mp4 In the first round, Park threw a consistent, solid jab. He took some big punches from Duraev, but wore them well. Towards the end of the round, Park jumped a guillotine that he was unable to finish before the first five minutes expired. What, if anything, should Park have done to finish the guillotine? CS Sez: Well, I’m not sure that gilly was there. It was a well-timed attack but the arm-in variant is harder to finish and right away at the end of the clip we can see the back of Duraev’s head, which essentially means that he’s not going to get it. Park’s shoulder would need to get tighter in to cover that, probably while putting his left ear on Duraev’s back, and then he’d need to push his connected hands between Duraev’s left ear and left shoulder. The problem there is that gravity isn’t on his side - Park’s timing is good, but Duraev did the right thing by keeping upright and framing, at first at least. They go to the ground afterwards and Park is essentially trying to rip Duraev’s head off with a pulling action - Wanderlei does the exact same thing to Bisping in their fight, with the same result. Duraev’s chin is in, and he just decides to ride out the round.. The scramble leading into it off of the caught kick is my favourite part of that clip. Early in round two, Park gets taken down, but works his way back up. What were the key movements/techniques Park utilized to return to his feet? CS Sez: Duraev wrapped the legs to prevent the wall walk, but Park keeps fighting the hands and stuffing the head, refusing to accept the position, as he works back and forth between trying to sit into the wall walk, or trying to post up on his hands. It was the alternating between the two that got him to his feet, but Duraev didn’t do a good job of reading Park’s escape attempts, and he lets Park get weight on his hands, which lets him clear his legs and then get his feet on the mat. Back on the feet, Park continues pumping the jab, adding in a straight right hand behind it. As Duraev backs to the fence, Park starts in with combination punches, landing solid shots to the body. Park drops Duraev with a left hook, jumps on his back, and starts pounding and looking for the choke. The first RNC attempt got defended. What should Park have done to secure the submission? CS Sez: Duraev managed to twist out of it and fight the hands, turning his head out of it. Park would have needed to keep his torso fully between Duraev’s back and the mat to finish that. I actually look at this as a success on Park’s part, not a failure: he read accurately that he was losing the choke, and instead of going ham for it like me on an ill-advised wristlock and giving Duraev a chance to start bridging and escaping, he backs up goes on the hunt for a better opportunity. https://imgur.com/Kbpf0SI.mp4 Park maintains pressure and goes for the choke a second time, getting it locked up with seconds left in the round. Break down Park’s technique and also what Duraev failed to do on the second attempt. CS Sez: The main thing that he did was bait Dom into saying that it was no good, which led to the instant tap. Really, he did a few things that made the difference. The first was the body work in the striking sequence that led up to the knockdown. The second was the pressure after the previous failed choke attempt. He just stayed on his man’s back and kept the grind and punches going so Duraev had no chance to breathe. This meant that Duraev was cooked when he tried to go face down to start building up his base from turtle (much as Park did in the previous round, as discussed above) but Park on the back had more gas and flattened Duraev out. This time there was nowhere to twist, and no space to hand fight. That’s about decisive as it gets. As an aside “not under the chin” booth call on the rear naked choke is a pet peeve of mine. I’m not a pro athlete and if I get the position right and my preferred grip I can do nasty things to someone’s jaw and make them pass out squeezing on top of the chin. It’s not necessary to get under, though it makes things a bit easier, and plenty of BJJ instructionals demonstrate this. Someone as strong as Park seems to be absolutely does not need to get there. Overall/Final Thoughts https://imgur.com/i5scbvX.mp4 I like Park using a consistent jab. On the ground, he’s methodical. He doesn’t seem to have overwhelming strength or unmatched speed, he just maintains pressure the whole time. He doesn’t tend to get overzealous in hunting a submission. The Iron Turtle is content to take things slow and let the opponent’s mistakes open them up for defeat. Anything to add, friend CommonShore? CS Sez: Pressure was the word I had in mind. Body work when standing, mixing strikes in with his grappling, and not selling out for the submission that isn’t there. All of these add up to a fighter who looks absolutely miserable to be underneath on the ground.
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CarlCX posted:This sport is so loving stupid and Michael Chandler is an enormous rube. Chandler needs to jibjab himself into another movie to call out Conor
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Dec 10, 2023 02:41
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I want to apologize to Jun Yong Park for what I did to him. I'm sorry, Mr. Turtle.
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Liam Harrison is out of next month's fight with John Lineker (had to get a stem cell treatment on his knee) and Rodtang is likely out with his fight with Takeru (broken hand). Come on, Chatri. Give us Lineker vs Takeru
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Dec 12, 2023 19:08
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I think back to the good times with Colby, like when he took a boomerang to the face
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Dec 15, 2023 04:36
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DoombatINC posted:While we're in this dead space in the shadow of a looming PPV I'd like to take this time to thank LobsterMobster and CommonShore for their Iron Turtle writeup before the last event, it was a very funny practical joke to get me invested in his grappling and submission skills right before watching him get neutralized and exhausted for fifteen straight minutes 
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Dec 17, 2023 00:10
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BlindSite posted:Thugnasty put up a video thanking Josh Emmett for not following up and hitting him when he was KO'd. I liked when Yves Edwards would bring snacks to share at weigh ins with his opponents
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Dec 19, 2023 21:30
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i call him Racis du Plessis
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Dec 20, 2023 02:48
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CarlCX posted:
Hi Carl! Thank you for all of your writing this year. As for Community Feedback, I am interested in all of them. I struggle to find motivation to write, but having an "assignment" as it were would be helpful for me to just get words down. We all need to Just Post
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Dec 27, 2023 03:06
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CarlCX posted:
lol and also, after further review, lmao
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Dec 30, 2023 20:40
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We are in different positions on this sinking ship, but we are all riding it to the bottom one way or another.
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Nice knees to the dome
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Dec 31, 2023 06:56
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That was a good violencing
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My 2023 recap/review is up https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4050891
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