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-Rogue Lancer, canonically, despises hotdogs. Not that he dislikes the taste, it's just that he's under a mystical geas to never consume dog, and nobody ever fully explained to him that "hotdog" isn't an accurately descriptive name. Yeah, this is the sort of franchise where this sort of thing has come up once. -While it might seem strange that Archer wouldn't recognize Servant Cao Cao right in front of him, it is not uncommon for Servants to look wildly different from how they looked in life, partly from a Servant usually only containing and highlighting certain aspects of a Hero's legend, and partly from being warped by later mythology distorting peoples' perception of them. There's some WILD looking Servants out there, which I won't give examples of in case they get selected for the Guess the Hero segment later.
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Asterite34 posted:-While it might seem strange that Archer wouldn't recognize Servant Cao Cao right in front of him, it is not uncommon for Servants to look wildly different from how they looked in life, partly from a Servant usually only containing and highlighting certain aspects of a Hero's legend, and partly from being warped by later mythology distorting peoples' perception of them. There's some WILD looking Servants out there, which I won't give examples of in case they get selected for the Guess the Hero segment later. I’m looking at YOU, Leonardo
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The Lone Badger posted:I’m looking at YOU, Leonardo I was thinking more about guys like Thomas Edison myself, but yeah they're also a good example
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There is also the whole multiverse thing going on with Fates.
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Caster chat is definitely going to be a deep dive into how wacky servants can really get. We just need a Caster to turn up!
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I was trying to remember if vampires are even still a thing in this timeline, until I remembered that the thing that cancels them out in certain universes with Servants sort of won't happen for a few hundred years anyway. Stay on the lookout for haunting spirits, Iori!
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Jossar posted:I was trying to remember if vampires are even still a thing in this timeline, until I remembered that the thing that cancels them out in certain universes with Servants won't happen for a few hundred years anyway. Stay on the lookout for haunting spirits, Iori! if you're going to tell me vlad isn't part of this franchise at some point, i'll press x to doubt if you're going to tell me vlad IS part of this franchise and DOESN'T make a lot of vampire jokes one way or another, i'm just gonna call you a loving liar.
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Coolguye posted:if you're going to tell me vlad IS part of this franchise and DOESN'T make a lot of vampire jokes one way or another, i'm just gonna call you a loving liar. His myth has turned him into a vampire and he loving hates that fact
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There are going to be so many fun discussions when you both get around to doing guess the servant.
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Coolguye posted:if you're going to tell me vlad isn't part of this franchise at some point, i'll press x to doubt Amazingly enough, has nothing to do with Dracula at all! I'm almost certainly botching the specifics on this, but it's something about how mainline Fate universes don't contain full vampiric "nobility" at least in part because the Count of Monte Cristo (who is real) became such a chuuni edgelord that he punched the concept out of existence while beating one up. Also because the Human Order is stronger, but that's less fun. Vampires themselves still exist either way though. Jossar fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Coolguye posted:if you're going to tell me vlad isn't part of this franchise at some point, i'll press x to doubt Vlad the Impaler is in fact an example of what I was talking about with Servants not necessarily matching up to how they actually were in life, because even in the wacky magic world of the Fate franchise the dude was NOT historically a vampire! It's just when he's summoned as a Heroic Spirit, the pop culture image of Count Dracula kinda seeps into his whole deal, much to his chagrin. Frankenstein? Totally real though
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Clearly, Rogue Berserker is the Dovahkiin, given his ability to Fus-Ro-Dah, and inability to speak aloud. I'm struck by the fact that Rogue Berserker's literally floor-length hair wasn't mentioned as a clue to his identity. It's long enough to drag on the ground. I do hope they bring him back in the franchise in a different class, so that he can actually be a character. With actual lines. Instead of just roaring at everything. I think vampires play a larger role in Fate's sister franchise, Tsukihime, where the Human Order isn't as strong?
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NullBlack posted:Clearly, Rogue Berserker is the Dovahkiin, given his ability to Fus-Ro-Dah, and inability to speak aloud. rogue berserker just has the benefit of being theorycrafted before i came to the decision that me throwing darts at a board was probably going to ruin it for other folks, though, so i'm free to spit it out when i notice these changes.
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Asterite34 posted:-Rogue Lancer, canonically, despises hotdogs. Not that he dislikes the taste, it's just that he's under a mystical geas to never consume dog, and nobody ever fully explained to him that "hotdog" isn't an accurately descriptive name. Yeah, this is the sort of franchise where this sort of thing has come up once. lmao
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As a resident Fate nerd, I'd like to clarify vampires are very much A Thing in Fate still. The big deal is that in Fate Humanity is stronger and thus vampires are weaker and in the sister series Tsukihime vampires are stronger while Humanity is weaker and there's a coalition of the top 27 vampires and Servants can't be summoned outside of guest characters in fighting games. El Melloi-II Case Files does feature 2 of that top 27 as vampires for example, one owns the train where they hold auctions for magic eyes and another has his casino yacht. They are just weaker and the coalition doesn't exist.
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 Snakes in a Nanban Quarter Episode 17 - Tis Now the Time to Finish This Once more we come to the end of a chapter and once more it's a fight that escalates very quickly. Miyamoto Iori and Saber assault the very heart of Dorothea Coyett's territory, a carefully woven tapestry of bounded fields, magical traps, and Assassin's minions. Can they overcome the scale of the threat before them? And just how far is Iori willing to go to win the Waxing Moon Ritual?
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Do love Holy Grail War clusterfucks as they are always so much fun.
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The part with Musashi running after the snakes really needed one of those racing engine sound effects from anime. I see they went full anime too with the Noble Phantasm, complete with the freeze and fade AND black and white explosion. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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So, a brief explanation of The Root, since it's come up: You know Plato? You know the Realm of Platonic Forms? It's basically just that. The explicit goal of every proper Mage is to find a way to physically enter the supernal realm of idealized concepts and hack the source code of reality, presumably toward some benevolent ends like ending all human suffering intrinsic to the current paradigm of material existence or something like that. Ends SO benevolent that literally any horrible actions can be justified in the pursuit of that goal. Hence Mages generally being kinda dicks about stuff, they tend to consider themselves to have moral carte blance as long as they succeed eventually. Naturally, you can't just waltz in there, the World quite sensibly has rather a lot of safeguards and defenses against random jerks re-writing the Akashic Records, so Mages have historically attempted various convoluted grandiose schemes to Ocean's Eleven this poo poo and break in. (spoilers if you ever intend to actually play Fate/Stay Night) One of these is... the Holy Grail War itself, an elaborate ritual to force open a path to the Root, with the magic genie wish for the winner being more of a bonus to entice more mundanely self-interested dupes into joining in. At least that's how it went in F/SN proper, I dunno what all this Waxing Moon poo poo is about.
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Okay, now that I see the hilt and pommel of Saber's sword I see why the writers would keep that particular thing hidden.
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There's definitely some artistic license involved in the foreign quarter here. As far as I know, historically, the only European settlement in Japan at this time was Dejima, in Nagasaki, which was tiny, and made of wood. In fact, I don't think "Yokosuka" is even a period name for this place. But from an alternate-history fantasy point of view, it makes perfect sense, especially if Dorothea has some kind of deal with and/or leverage over the shogunate.
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There's a small section that has some construction work being done on it that seems to suggest the area has been redeveloped, so I think they're definitely throwing towards the idea that Frederick was able to set all this up in his dealing with the Shogunate after the incident with the captured sailors played out, in the same way some part of the Shogunate seemed amiable to the establishment of a deranged mage war taking place in its capital city (greed).NGDBSS posted:Okay, now that I see the hilt and pommel of Saber's sword I see why the writers would keep that particular thing hidden. They actually showed it off back at the very beginning of the game when Saber first went to do their noble phantasm. There's certainly been enough hints thrown now I believe anyone can figure out Saber's identity with a minimum of research (though I imagine that would more likely have google serve you up the answer by accident).
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I mean, if the hilt wasn't a tipoff, the fact that Saber's noble phantasm involves summoning a giant eight headed energy snake from it would certainly be. I can really only think of a single sword in Japanese history who's legend revolves around The Goddamn Orochi.
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Asterite34 posted:So, a brief explanation of The Root, since it's come up: One tiny correction in that magi don't usually have plans to use the Root. They just want to reach it for the sake of reaching it, despite the fact nobody knows what happens afterwards. Also while more morally muddled than most they usually don't inmediately go for the mass massacre option if possible, if only because magecraft gets weaker the more widespread it is and because being hunted by authorities means less time to do research. Not that magi are saints, there's one whose magecraft consists of eating baby souls to keep himself alive younger and only does it sparingly not out of morals but because turns out that poo poo fucks up your soul, who knew  Anyways, the big takeaway of this is "Boy whoever has to explain to the Tokugawa that the giant snake that thrashed a district was a necessary risk and also make up an excuse to hide the ritual must be tering their hair apart".
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Anyways, the big takeaway of this is "Boy whoever has to explain to the Tokugawa that the giant snake that thrashed a district was a necessary risk and also make up an excuse to hide the ritual must be tering their hair apart". Man, I hope we learn whoever they are. If only so we have a proper name and face to slap on to the poor sod who is going to be AT LEAST fifty years older via stress by the time this clusterfuck is over.
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WASH YOUR FACE Episode 18 - Hidden Influences Though they have managed to cause a great deal of disruption to Dorothea's planning and preparation, the interference of Rider helped render this conflict somewhat inconclusive. Yet from this event new revelations have come, though Iori himself is unaware of perhaps the most important one. For him, the fixation is on further improving himself for the escalating conflict ahead. It is a conflict that resumes very quickly. Oh and if you're wondering why the start of the episode doesn't have any commentary, that was an editing error on my part. I realised after commentary recording I'd somehow missed it and slapped it back in, and since it was only about nine minutes I decided not to bother Coolguye about it.
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Eat a hamburger Episode 19: Writhing in Moonlight Iori and Saber aren't having a great day, with their enemy kidnapping Kaya and also leading the pair into a time-wasting trap. Hopefully their allies have had more luck in their search, hopefully someone understands that there's motion happening in the background of these events that speaks of a greater danger to come.
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While this may be Caster's first direct appearance, he has shown up in another capacity already, which the astute viewer may have picked up on. He's the narrator for the recap segments in between chapters.
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It's fairly appropriate too, though we'll have quite a wait to see why. Meanwhile I'll be hanging the horrible sword of rogue caster over Coolguye's head till they arrive (soon). Next episode's going to be a big one, in a lot of different ways.
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Something to point out is that sometines the Casters who IRL had nothing to do with magic or occultism do have some relationship with magecraft in Fate. Mozart for example was acquainted with mages. So sometimes they do know magecraft comolimenting their legends. But yeah, otherwise Caster is usually the kitchen sink of "where do we put this historical figure" because artists are generally qualified. The only broader one is canonically Berserker because you can actually put figures who are Heroic Spirits but don't really qualify for the other classes into that one, but it comes with massive issues if their sanity isn't drained every once in a while cause Berserkers go berserk.
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Caster tends to be the most wildly varied class because it basically can be summed up as 'This person's big thing is being Intellectual', so in addition to your classic magic users, you also have Poets, Artists, Musicians, Scientists, and Inventors counted amongst them, unless for whatever reason they also qualify for another class for whatever reason (Such as Nikola Tesla being an Archer because gently caress it, Imma shoot lightning at people). Similarly, Riders as a class also tends to include a lot of Leaders of Men type character, even if they aren't strongly associated with having a mount. For example, Queen Medb of Celtic mythology is a Rider class Servant, and the flimsy justification they give for why is that she Rides Men. And yes, In That Way.
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Rorahusky posted:Caster tends to be the most wildly varied class because it basically can be summed up as 'This person's big thing is being Intellectual', so in addition to your classic magic users, you also have Poets, Artists, Musicians, Scientists, and Inventors counted amongst them, unless for whatever reason they also qualify for another class for whatever reason (Such as Nikola Tesla being an Archer because gently caress it, Imma shoot lightning at people). I mean, Medb has a chariot pulled by bulls, even in IRL legends. She does kinda qualify even without the joke. The most egregious case on a Rider I'd argue is Andromeda, Perseus' wife, who qualifies as a Rider because... she was chained to a rock. Perseus turned the monster that was gonna eat her into stone. Andromeda's legend is "chained to a rock" so no matter what she has a chain wrapped around a rock. Ergo, she's chained to the monster that is now a rock and can slam him into enemies. EDIT: Although to be fair, Fate does add a cool twist in that her parents weren't actually trying to sacrifice her to appease the gods, it was a trap Andromeda set up to try and kill the monster, it just so happened Perseus saved her first. GiantRockFromSpace fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I mean, Medb has a chariot pulled by bulls, even in IRL legends. She does kinda qualify even without the joke.  I love this stupid franchise so much.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:Lest we forget Aria's primary Rider reason is just that she likes being carried. i hate this
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Coolguye posted:i hate this
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Something to point out is that sometines the Casters who IRL had nothing to do with magic or occultism do have some relationship with magecraft in Fate. Mozart for example was acquainted with mages. So sometimes they do know magecraft comolimenting their legends. Casters are indeed a bit wacky that way, in that a decent number of them were not particularly associated with the arcane arts when they were alive and just got sorted into the Class because the Class system is a somewhat artificial construct with a lot of edge cases. These would be, like, Thomas Edison qualifying as "The Wizard of Menlo Park". But because this is an Urban Fantasy setting with a whole alternate history of secret magic, you get folks like Lady Murasaki, who is a Caster partly for the same reason a lot of writers are Casters, but ALSO had a little bit of training in Onmyodo from Abe no Seimei himself in this continuity. Then you have Charles Babbage, who did actually dabble a bit in the supernatural (he tried to summon the Devil as a kid and was part of Cambridge's ghost-hunting club) but his being a Caster servant has nothing to do with any of that.
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