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Rody One Half posted:Doing catchup: I mean, Mages who are Masters cheat all the god drat time to get an edge in Grail Wars, usually with catastrophic results for everyone involved, especially said Mage, so it makes sense that Casters will also cheat whenever and however they can to get an edge. And boy, do Casters (usually) need that edge, both because Casters are not all that good in a straight up fight (squishy mage syndrome) and because the three 'Knight' classes (Saber, Lancer, Archer) come with some level of Magic Resistance that allow them to no sell smaller spells and fight against heftier ones. Some Servants in particular have Magic Resistance so high they can delay or fight off the effects of a Command Spell if they really put their mind to it. Especially someone like Gilgamesh, who would probably react to a Master trying to force him to do something via Command Spell by going 'lolno' and then rendering said Master's head a fine red mist.
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There are worse ones then Gilgamesh. With a good enough explanation and general deference you could survive the experience. There are others who would kill you just on principle.
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Yeah, Gil is actually a pretty decent Servant if you're one of the following: -you are dealing with a world-ending crisis that will guaranteed kill everyone on Earth, and you aren't a bitch about facing that poo poo down -you show him unerring deference and respect, but not in a way where you're just kissing his rear end to get something from him -you have some unquantifiable Enkidu-esque quality that makes you not boring That's a fair sight better than some Servants, who will just cut you in half the long way immediately upon being summoned and then lay waste to civilization until their mana runs out.
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 Kykeon! Episode 22 - What Lies In One's Depths Iori and Saber trek to meet the mysterious rogue servant that appeared immune to the spell affecting all the other rogues we have seen, and perhaps may live to regret that decision. Can they figure out the identity of their hidden enemy, before the man who is meant to be overseeing the Waxing Moon Ritual brings ruin down on all the other unsuspecting competitors? A worst case scenario for any Master looms, but who will be spared?
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If by Odysseus "having a real way with women" you mean showing off his cleavage at the slightest opportunity, then yes. Yes he does.
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Honestly the build up to today's episode has been great for me because every time Coolguye would have an Aria moment I'm slowly turning my head towards the loving truck full of kykeon barreling down the street towards us and reaching out to tap him on the shoulder in warning. Jossar posted:If by Odysseus "having a real way with women" you mean showing off his cleavage at the slightest opportunity, then yes. Yes he does. He knows what it takes to get people to roll for him. I'm interested to see how Coolguye goes on guessing that one whenever we do our "I make Coolguye guess the servant" video(s).
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May 3, 2024 02:49
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Lmao Assassin "You know I could resist this mind control spell, but it would be /really/ funny if I didn't."
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I'm glad I guessed Rogue Caster's identity the moment buhi happened. Of course, now I'm even more curious as to who Assassin is, now that he's been outed as being one of divine blood.
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I was laughing at Coolguye calling Odysseus a wife guy because, while IRL there are versions of the Odyssey that have Odysseus have children with both Circe and Calypso, in Fate Odysseus was effectively a Wife Guy. So much one of his skills is being a Wife Guy and thus immune to being charmed by anyone. Also eat your kykeon, Coolguye
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I couldn't help but to giggle when I suddenly heard one of those stock screams mixed into the second half of the walk.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I was laughing at Coolguye calling Odysseus a wife guy because, while IRL there are versions of the Odyssey that have Odysseus have children with both Circe and Calypso, in Fate Odysseus was effectively a Wife Guy. So much one of his skills is being a Wife Guy and thus immune to being charmed by anyone. 
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Regarding Rogue Caster's name, "Kir-Key" is the more historically correct pronunciation, as it uses the Greek letter kappa. Pretty much every classical Greek name that gets written in English with a "C" in it should be pronounced with a K sound (Kerberos, Herakles, etc), as the sibilant "soft" C doesn't come about until the 3rd Century CE, where all the Roman transliteration of Greek stuff got passed through the filter of Late Latin palatalization of that consonant when next to an I or E vowel.
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As an aside it was a real eye-opener learning that Leonidas is supposed to be pronounced "Lay-ON-ee-duss." Or that Eureka is "Ay-yu-rek-ah."
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Wasn't that how they pronounced Eureka's name in Eureka Seven?
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Draga posted:Wasn't that how they pronounced Eureka's name in Eureka Seven? Amusingly enough, yes. Turns out you can eliminate a lot of ambiguity with a syllabry as a built-in pronunciation guide and aren't working with the centuries of Latinization baggage that English speakers just have to hold. There's other glitches with the fact that the Japanese syllabry doesn't 100% map perfectly but it's pretty close.
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This not-grail war is pretty exciting. Though I do wonder where Aria is at this point, and what she's doing.
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Being mind controlled and evil, like most other servants at this point.
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Mind control is decidedly not something of beauty. I can only imagine what she'll act like when she gets her mind back and gets angry about it. Seriously, I genuinely have no idea what her reaction to it will be. All the other rogue servants I can see being upset and wanting vengeance, but Aria? I've no goddamn idea.
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I think we can surmise from their previous discussion about Tamamo is that if you cross her, you will suffer.
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Maybe not as directly or as intentionally in this case as if you'd crossed the original Tamamo, though. 
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I dunno, there's definitely something lurking underneath that cutesy exterior if remember some of the previous interactions Iori and Aria have had. Crossing her and you're definitely in for some hurting.
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No one is dangerous or has dubious personal motives based on their mythological nature all of you calm down and eat the Kykeon.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:No one is dangerous or has dubious personal motives based on their mythological nature all of you calm down and eat the Kykeon. X - Doubt
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Coolguye posted:X - Doubt Kykeon is delicious, nutritious, and perfectly safe*. Come on, just take a spoonful. *Side effects may include pigification and unwanted BUHI noises. Please contact Hermes or consult your local genealogist to verify the presence of Zeus or any other local divinities in your family tree before partaking in kykeon. No, like, it's funny that I actually checked and it's mostly Divine stuff that's actually inmune to Pig in FGO. Circe can't do poo poo if your dad that went out for milk was Zeus
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Everything is on fire Episode 23 - All-Consuming Flames of Anguish While Saber has been saved from the mind-control spell being cast through the Waxing Moon Vessel, Zheng Chenggong must deal with his servant and close friend Zhou Yu going out of control. Though our heroes rush to help, is there a role they can play that doesn't involve being Archer's executors? And what of the other Servants? Who else has turned against their Master?
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Well. poo poo's finally getting serious, is it?
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Shei-kun posted:Well. This is Fate, poo poo is just gonna get more serious from here on. Also a minor detail, Ariadne was not a student of Circe... but she was her niece! Her mom Pasiphae was Circe's sister, as well as the king Aetes, Medea's dad. So Circe is the aunt of Medea, Ariadne and the Minotaur all at once. Guess that makes her the Greek equivalent of a wine aunt... more like kykeon aunt, am I right. 
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The fight just makes me think that FGO should get a bullet hell spin off. Also I was wondering how they going to deal with "There can only be one" when Iori was getting chummy with people.
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Cooked Auto posted:The fight just makes me think that FGO should get a bullet hell spin off.
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Iori seems pretty cool with duels, Yui and Zheng would probably have agreed to clean brackets on who bows out on their part.
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I've always felt these alliances are meant to end as either a) one party backstabs the other at the most convenient moment or b) the two allied Masters, after everyone else is dealt with, have a Pokémon battle to decide who wins.
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Really it all comes down to wish each Master has. Their circumstances and desires can very easily make a monster of an otherwise good person. For all his edginess Chiemon's probably the most honest person in the festivities. Though truth be told I don't really see Chiemon as edgy but that'll be a conversation for another day once the game shows more of how I see him. I can certainly see why everyone sees him and goes "Ow, the Edge" of course, the boy's a hot mess. My favourite characters do tend to be that way, especially in Fate works. But Chiemon's got a lot under the hood and I'm excited to explore that down the line. He's got a great contrast in his voice compared to the other Fate character his VA does, that of Yan Qing from the Water Margin. Coolguye often mentions not knowing which one he is, but he's basically a very tall, handsome young man with a body covered in tattoos of flowers and a penchant for wrestling. He's honestly the most competent character in the book, in a sea of men who do the most ridiculously and hilariously self-destructive actions time and time again that force them to become bandits, he mostly just ends up there due to his loyalty to his lord who ends up joining them because they pranked him into the gang (this is actually what happens). Yan Qing's hyper-competency is so great he actually manages to negotiate a meeting with the Song Emperor to get the Liangshan (the bandit protagonists) pardoned via the Emperor's concubine. Said concubine wants to jump Yan Qing's bones almost the moment they meet and the guy manages to focus on his actual job (again, in a story where almost every other character gets drunk and belligerent, starts a fight and gets arrested) and gets everything organised. The ultimate tragedy is that for all his loyalty and intellect, his own lord fails to heed him when warned towards the end of the story of what would be their likely fates as far as Yan Qing sees it. Saddened by the reality of the situation, Yan Qing slips away before the end of the story and things go more or less as he predicted. In FGO his existence is a little complicated due to the fact that his origin is primarily fictional (apparently some historical martial art claims he invented their style?), being able to be summoned mostly because his spirit origin is combined with that of a mythical phantom to strengthen it and enable him to manifest at all, in his case the legend of the Doppelganger which ties well into the Water Margin where he infiltrates a rebel force to help bring it down from the inside. He carries the hang-up that is his lord not heeding his advice at the end, but is otherwise a very easy-going and cheerful kind of dude who absolutely could murder you in cold blood while talking about his day nonchalantly (and his Noble Phantasm is the Shining Finger). As you can imagine, it contrasts sharply with the roiling, seething ball of hate we see in Chiemon, which was mostly what I was getting at. God I love the Water Margin. There's just so many characters who are massive tire fires and I could not look away from start to finish. The fact Li Kui is not yet a servant even though he is basically BERSERKER INCARNATE is a continued injustice in this universe.
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Hard agree, I'm mad we can't discuss any of that until somewhere around 2027 where we get to the final ending Also in retrospect... the Type Moon team must not have any hardcore Water Margin or even Suikoden fans, cause I'm pretty sure amongst the Chinese Servants, there are more Investidure of the Gods/Qing Dynasty figures than Water Margin + RotTK combined. Hell, even in RotTK we have mostly strategists, Lu Bu and Lu Bu. And Water Margin representation beyond Yan Qing requires at least Medium exposire to Fate Bullshit to not cry and/or laugh.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I've always felt these alliances are meant to end as either a) one party backstabs the other at the most convenient moment or b) the two allied Masters, after everyone else is dealt with, have a Pokémon battle to decide who wins. Theoretically B, actually A.
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This is why everyone keeps allying with Iori, dude's a straight-shooter who would never think of betraying an ally. In a winner-takes-all scenario like this, every alliance will inevitably break down, and you always want the other guy to be the principled honest one.
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Villain Alert Episode 24 - The Gods Stir While most of the skirmishes between Masters in this Waxing Moon Ritual have been inconclusive, the spell that Tsuchimikado Yasuhiro cast has tipped the scales firmly in his favour. Few are the Servants that were not swayed by his spell, and fewer still the Masters that kept their own Servant in the aftermath of its casting. On top of this, the mage has the aid of the Tokugawa Shogunate and the resources they possess to protect himself. His position would seem unassailable at this point, but for his failure to take control of every Servant before his role in the conflict is revealed. Miyamoto Iori and Saber must prepare to become the fly in his ointment, but there is still much the pair must deal with before they are sufficiently prepared, though at the very least they will have far more help in this endeavor than they could have dared hope for.
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