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Hey it wasn't mentioned that I saw but I think it's worth mentioning here: the original FSN is getting an official English release/a remaster for Steam and Switch! Coming this year, supposedly. That's a pretty good video game if you haven't played it!!!!
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Rody One Half posted:Hey it wasn't mentioned that I saw but I think it's worth mentioning here: the original FSN is getting an official English release/a remaster for Steam and Switch! Coming this year, supposedly. Yeah, we actually have an episode recorded where I remark that we're at the 20th anniversary and everyone's expecting a remake of some description, and afterwards Coolguye told me he sort of silently scoffed at the notion, and then the next day it was announced. This also happened with the Squats in 40K.
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Feb 3, 2024 07:31
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All that's left is official Hollow! I kind of can't believe this is actually happening! E: like what's next, Girl's Work coming back?
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Feb 3, 2024 07:35
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Yep, I rolled my eyes at it because the old VNs like that are such a staggering undertaking and I didn't see an upside to doing it when the Fate franchise already had so much support they DIDN'T have to pay for from fans. There's lots of reasons to go back and do it regardless, but if your goal is money, it wouldn't even be in your top 5 things to do. Maybe not even your top 10. And, well, here we are. I'd be dramatic about it, but if the universe keeps wanting to prove me wrong on my thorny cynicism I'll keep up the curmudgeonly streak for the good of humanity. I'm enjoying the precepts of this game enough that I'm pretty liable to pick up FSN when it comes out, though that depends on what else is going on in my life when it does. Actually, while we're on the topic, does anyone have an approximate word count for FSN? I kinda want to compare it to Umineko, which I am... still rather enjoying being dragged through from a setbuilding perspective, but the sheer deluge of WORDS in that loving thing makes me want to stab myself sometimes.
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Feb 3, 2024 08:00
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Coolguye posted:Yep, I rolled my eyes at it because the old VNs like that are such a staggering undertaking and I didn't see an upside to doing it when the Fate franchise already had so much support they DIDN'T have to pay for from fans. There's lots of reasons to go back and do it regardless, but if your goal is money, it wouldn't even be in your top 5 things to do. Maybe not even your top 10. Going by reddit it has 820,595 words so longer then the king james bible.
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Feb 3, 2024 08:19
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Hunt11 posted:Going by reddit it has 820,595 words so longer then the king james bible. Or half the wordcount of your average longrunner webnovel these days.
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Feb 3, 2024 13:32
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And a sight less than Umineko, which is 1.1 million. That said, at that many words, I'll admit to being pretty suspicious. It's one thing if you have a lot to say and a lot of ground to cover. It's entirely another if you just stand there and spend 10 words every time 1 would've done alright. That's the primary bone to pick that I have ended up with on Umineko - it's got quite good stagecraft, but the writer is so windy that important and impactful scenes are routinely ruined by the characters' complete inability to say something once, rather than 4 times. War and Peace is 580k words, for a fiction-to-fiction comparison. I'll need to do some sampling of FSN to check what I'm getting into before I commit too heavily, I think.
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Feb 3, 2024 16:16
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Unfortunately, Fate does have a lot of words in it for the sake of words, especially when it comes to magibabble. This is not be helped by F/SN's narrator (Emiya Shirou) being in the same position as Iori where he knows the vaguest hints of the magical part of the setting but needs to have everything in any kind of detail explained to him at length. It is really good, but it also follows the old joke about RPG writers making a game so they can tell you about their campaign setting. At least this one is based on the revised version that doesn't have the h-scenes any more, so you don't have to suffer through those. Jossar fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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Feb 3, 2024 16:33
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is that 820k mark the revised one or the original? H-scenes are, you know, lurid in every sense of the term by necessity. Even if there's only an occasional one, at a work that size that's probably -50k words right there.
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Feb 3, 2024 16:40
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Also how much of that 820k are the copy/pasted segments from bad end routes? There's also a lot of "hang out with Saber/Rin/Sakura/joke option" that then lead into a much longer scene that is identical no matter which option you picked.
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Feb 3, 2024 16:57
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The earliest claims I could find were from 11-12 years ago... which is still post-Realta Nua release. So no real way to tell.  My guess is that a bunch of incidental extra stuff was added in the new versions so the word count remains roughly the same.sirtommygunn's right that a bunch of this is obfuscated from repeated segments, but now that I think about it, the biggest thing that nobody's talked about is that the game is split along three different routes, so it's more like three very closely related 250k novels stacked together in a trench coat than a single 750k novel, if that helps.
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There's absolutely no WAY that a normal reading of FSN (getting all 5 endings+Last Episode) is anywhere near as long as Umineko, especially skipping scenes that repeat from one route to another like "this is what a grail war is!" exposition. MAYBE that's if you do the 40 bad ends clean up for the bonus scene thing, but even then that is hard to imagine.
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Yeah the route discussion is a VERY critical piece of information when the comparison at hand is Umineko. I appreciate it!
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 A fox is approaching your house Episode 10 - Keeping Busy Iori's secret workshop is the world's least secret workshop, and literally everyone visits it constantly. Kawaraban Issue 11 posted:Look Who's Strutting Around Akasaka TheLastRoboKy fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Feb 9, 2024 02:24
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Epic of Gilgamesh wasn't originally written as an epic? https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/epic-2
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Coolguye posted:Yep, I rolled my eyes at it because the old VNs like that are such a staggering undertaking and I didn't see an upside to doing it when the Fate franchise already had so much support they DIDN'T have to pay for from fans. There's lots of reasons to go back and do it regardless, but if your goal is money, it wouldn't even be in your top 5 things to do. Maybe not even your top 10. ryukishi07 is a bad writer who happens to also be a fun writer and you'll have to sit through dozens of pages on cat boxes and devil's proofs and whatever else his word of the day calendar tosses out at him in order to get to the good stuff (it's very good) FSN does have the advantage of full fan translations proving there's an audience for it and a definitive all-ages version to work with, the rest is actually just doing the dang thing.
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A selection of various thoughts: -I love how Zheng's magical communication hologram somehow has buffering and framerate issues in-universe -Gilgamesh is one of those characters who has a... wide range of characterizations in Fate stuff, ranging from kinda one-dimensional misogynist supervillain, to imperious "the world is full of curs unfit to be ruled, I will cull the herd" megalomaniac, to drunk bored hedonist who will kill you for being too annoying, to brokenly powerful ally who spoils the plot if you select him as your Servant companion, to inspiring (if chronically overworked) monarch, to full-on comic relief "rich guy who will finance shenanigans." He shows up a lot because he's the Oldest Hero, and in the metaphysics of it all the oldest and most original a thing is, the closer it is to the platonic ideal of its concept, and therefore the more mystically powerful, so Gil is great if you want a BULLSHIT POWERFUL guy. -Aria talking about Iori filling her magical energy requirements is almost certainly a "mana transfer" joke, a thing that was certainly canon in the original VN but I don't think has actually come up in-universe since except as a meme. That aspect of the magical worldbuilding kinda fell by the wayside, largely because the franchise grew beyond its "VN written in the early 2000s and thus contractually obligated to have porn in it" origins, and partly because the original F/SN had some of the worst sex scenes ever written. Not in terms of being especially offensive or depraved or whatever, but because Kinoko Nasu's wiring style has been likened to a Japanese E E Cummings and nobody has ever wanted to read his really bad sex scenes and their associated shellfish analogies.
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Iori, founder of the least secret magical workshop in Edo. Aria continues to make me smile with her antics every time she shows up. I do hope things get even more comedically chaotic for Iori due to her continued presence. Kaya's certainly loving it. Her big brother used to be a boring work-a-holic. Suddenly, he's become so much more interesting!
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Aria's thing of coming around to the workshop is an entire arc that builds up to something and it's certainly the most Aria thing. You're going to love her next request.
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Rumours tell of a new update! Episode 11 - Ensnare the Furtive Serpent Trying to find someone whose entire schtick is built around being really hard to find is a difficult prospect, but our heroes are not deterred. If the snake-summoning sneak can't be found, perhaps his allies can. They don't have Presence Concealment after all. Kawaraban Issue 9: Yanagiware posted:Yanagawara Protects Edo from Ogres Kawaraban Issue 12: Nihonbashi posted:Whitebait or Kudzutai?
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I'm pretty sure MAT just stands for Magic Attack
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I bought this game because of your lp and I've gotten ahead of the thread now so I'll just be  ing the rest of the way.
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sirtommygunn posted:I bought this game because of your lp and I've gotten ahead of the thread now so I'll just be I'm very excited for peoples' takes on a lot of events that happen in this game cause we've barely even scratched the surface of "Oh well that just happened" this game drops on us.
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The DLC has a decent little chunk of material too, though sadly it's like, 90% in-jokes about later story material.
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Due to the way the story works that shouldn't be an issue for the lp. Also I do like the first stance you unlock as the very moment it happens, it becomes very clear what will come next.
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The DLC is rather fortunately activated similar to a digression, so there's no weird sort of out of place "HERE IS AN EVENT" thing that forces us to do some cutscenes then get ignored for a new game+ cycle. So we'll have all the main game completed before we need to worry about looking into that.
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Here comes an angry dog! Episode 12 - Crimson Light Piercing the Earth One day we'll have mastered tracking sailors down to walking into a bar and getting into a fight with them but for now, Iori and Saber must chase them into shrines instead. This turns out to be a mistake, but not one without benefit. As they track a snake, perhaps it's the aid of a hard-working hound that will help them succeed? Time to meet another very well known Fate character that has been with the franchise since the beginning, and I'm pretty sure Coolguye has already figured this one out. Kawaraban Issue 13: Akasaka posted:Three Thousand Monks Gather at Zojo-ji Kawaraban Issue 14: Shinagawa posted:Shinagawa, Lovely in Every Season
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What a senseless drubbing you gave to Lancer! You're barely even human! Sadly the Carnival Phantasm skits are a little too spoilerific to post, even under black bars, but suffice to say, Lancer's seen much worse.
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Lancer is one of two Servants in the original who JUST want a good fight, and for something that's supposed to just be a big deathmatch tourney, he and Assassin have such a hard time getting their drat fights!
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I'm finally, finally caught up on RoboKy's And Coolguye's Food Corner Featuring Saber, after falling behind after episode 1.  This definitely seems more along the lines of Persona 5 Strikers than a more traditional Musou game. I'm enjoying being almost as blind to the series as Coolguye is, though I have seen some fanart of some of the more popular Fate characters before so I for example knew who Boss was on sight.
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A small fox desires your assistance! Episode 13 - Enthralled By Your Radiance Finally time to put some of these friendships we're making to work, as the Crimson Codex has a little trick to let us make use of Rogue Servants that form a bond with Iori. And we're definitely going to be doing more bond-making because Aria has another peculiar request for us today. And yes, the game outright spoils the identity of Rogue Lancer today in the funniest way but we're going to not mention who he actually is until the game true names him, funny as it is.
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In all fairness, it's not like rogue Lancer's identity is a real secret. He's the guy who gets true named in the opening scenes of the original game after all.
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sirtommygunn posted:In all fairness, it's not like rogue Lancer's identity is a real secret. He's the guy who gets true named in the opening scenes of the original game after all. It might, in fact, be the least secret of all Servent identities!
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Truly, the most recognisable Bolg.
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Speaking of recognizable... can other people see Aria's fox ears and tail and gigantic fox familiar and other various signifiers of being an obviously supernatural being? Or is that one of those things that are invisible to people untrained in the mystic arts?
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If you see a fox lady dealer hanging out with her giant fox, are you going to call her out?
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I would file a request for onmyouji to visit the fox lady and her giant fox, knowing the famous legends of Abe no Seimei.
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Asterite34 posted:Speaking of recognizable... can other people see Aria's fox ears and tail and gigantic fox familiar and other various signifiers of being an obviously supernatural being? Or is that one of those things that are invisible to people untrained in the mystic arts? They don't really ever say, but it is worth noting that the buff spell Aria casts on Iori also casts a charm spell on enemies around her rendering them standing stupidly for a little bit. So she's probably able to befuddle less protected minds (though kids seem able to see the fox too so it might be related to a belief in mystics). GuyUpNorth posted:I would file a request for onmyouji to visit the fox lady and her giant fox, knowing the famous legends of Abe no Seimei. I'm sorry she has a knife now.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:I'm sorry she has a knife now. 
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