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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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SRQ posted:

No but I feel it's become somewhat lost to history.
Not quite as influential as Star Trek outside of its time period. Probably because it's harder to follow up on and not the sort of franchise you can set spinoffs in very easily.

I'd be up for a complete remake myself.

It's probably because Mulder & Scully arrested pedophiles rather than building a utopian society for them. Trekkies can't get on board with that.

Shaman Tank Spec posted:


Are the new episodes any good? I would assume not since the show turned to poo poo in the last few seasons anyway, and I have zero faith that they were able to bounce back from that years later but who knows?

There are good ones in there, but a high miss ratio. Same as the last couple of seasons in that regard.

Anyway, the show is so fundamentally about the 90s, they should leave it be, or any reboot/remake should be a period piece.

Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Dec 10, 2023

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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Pretty sure they just got recommended to me on Spotify.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Vakal posted:

I'd be hard pressed to think of a sillier episode of the X-Files than the one about the house haunted by the spirit of the Brady Bunch house featuring David Faustino.

That episode is great, though. It's the penultimate episode of the initial run and they basically make the whole story about letting some poo poo go and the dangers of getting hung up on some bullshit forever.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Shaman Tank Spec posted:

He manages to make his male pattern baldness sexy and powerful. I don't know how he does it, but god drat he looks good with it.

He's loving ripped. He's fantasing about your friends dad when he's mowing and then he takes his shirt off and he has arms like pythons and a stabbing scar from college.

I honestly think part of the reasons it's endured is that even though the last couple of seasons suffer from the chemistry between the leads not being there (and for the record I like Doggett, Reyes not so much), it wasn't really in the zeitgeist so much, so people remember the good stuff. I'll go to bat for episodes like Sunshine Days being all-timers, but the super soldier plot was boring and nonsense, even if it did mean we got some Lucy Lawless in the show.

It ended exactly when it needed to (9/11 would have sent the show into a crisis) and they haven't been too greedy with revivals. I know it ended in 2002, but accounting for writing/production lag. If the show actually accounted for the massive shift in the cultural landscape around that time, I think it could have soured badly.

Post show, we got the okay movie where Billy Connolly was a peado priest, and two, short mini series that were disappointing but still had a couple of good new episodes.

It could be because Duchovny and Anderson have done well for themselves, but are central to the shows appeal and are happy to leave the characters largely behind, so there hasn't been a chance to absolutely run it into the ground.

There are elements that are creaky on rewatches, like sexual assault being weirdly trivialised a bunch (Small Potatoes & The Post Modern Prometheus are great episodes that come to mind, but they really do go that well a couple of times) and the show REALLY liked that "wow, native Americans are literally magic" kind of goofy liberalism in the earlier seasons, but that wasn't unique for a show from the early-mid 90s. However, it's overall pretty wholesome for a show about government conspiracies in a way I can't imagine now. I've often wondered if The X-Files had a hand in the popularisation of conspiratorial thinking in recent years and I really can't draw that link too strongly, thankfully.

Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Dec 11, 2023

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Milo and POTUS posted:

What is that picture of him in armor from

First Person Shooter, an episode written by William Gibson of all people (I actually really like the earlier William Gibson episode with the cybergoth who lives in a container and dead guy stuck in the internet and poo poo).

The second Gibson penned episode is shockingly bad and not even as entertaining as screengrabs from it.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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nice obelisk idiot posted:

on topic: just like everyone else who saw it as a kid i wish that i didn't see the flukeman episode. I was intermittently scared of the bathroom for ages and would sometimes have fleeting intrusive thoughts along the lines of the stuff in the episode well into adulthood

"Scully, its me. What do you know about the Skibidi Toilet?"

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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eSports Chaebol posted:

nowadays Mulder would be like "The government is watching all of us!" and Scully would be like "Yeah, we know, Mulder. Everybody knows. Nobody cares." and then Mulder would just look sad and disappointed

Modern Mulder would be a man crippled by internet porn, YouTube iceberg videos and wider acceptance and knowledge of autism.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Hyrax Attack! posted:

If you like guest stars before they made it big, 80s Twilight Zone is a goldmine. Frances McDormand, Morgan Freeman, Helen Mirren… the hits keep coming. Plus so many pre-Star Trek actors show up like Frakes & Tim Russ, plus a rare non-Trek Brent Spiner.

Helen Mirren was already star of a million teenage nerd imaginations after Excalibur.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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20 Blunts posted:

im slightly gay for david duchovny for sure, but what an interesting career. always in bad movies with good casts and/or directors, it seems. just half-assing it with the best of em' on movies they knew would suck a little bit

californication was cool to watch cuz you just felt like you were buds with a chill hollywood dude. you felt like you were in the vicinity of getting ridiculous amount of pussy. and then there was kind of a plot and a little bit of softcore porn

He toured with his band lately and seems to be having a good time, but lol at the idea anyone would give a poo poo if he wasn't also doing meet and greet tickets.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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The Finn posted:

https://www.cbr.com/x-files-reboot-ryan-coogler-update/

Apparently Ryan Coogler, director of Black Panther, is rebooting X-Files on Disney+. I credit this thread

What a terrible loving idea!

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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JediTalentAgent posted:

"Listen, we're really desperate here... Can we tie X-Files into the MCU and have them discover the existence of mutants?"

Can't wait for the show to revolve around the whereabouts of Mulder or whatever in the lead-up to a 7 part spin-off series.

I'm not opposed to Disney+ or whatever, but I don't subscribe anymore because I can only watch Gravity Falls (any X-Files fans, especially those with older pre-teens, should see that if they havent) and classic Simpsons so much, and the panning/scanning on X-Files episodes irritated me.

I just think X-Files is such a show of and about its time, that I can't see a remake working well. There's been societal sea-changes that mean that the options are a tone-deaf straight reboot, or a totally different show. And if we're seeing new agents, good loving luck finding the chemistry of Mulder and Scully!

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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Ginette Reno posted:

Yeah they basically flip the dynamic around whenever there's a religious episode. Mulder becomes the skeptic and Scully is totally ready to believe that the devil is here or an angel or whatever crazy poo poo. Aliens though? Scully ain't down for that.

I remember my dad dropping off the show because he got irritated at Scully's skepticism, but it always gets characterised as "there's no such thing as werewolf aliens" when she's much more "look, let's explore the more likely avenues than werewolf aliens, like a hosed up guy with a disease maybe" while Mulder is like "GOD?! LMAO gently caress you, Scully!"

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Ginette Reno posted:

I think the reason that Scully's skepticism can get irritating for some people is that Mulder's lunatic hunches end up correct 99% of the time. So after a while of this people end up going like wtf Scully how many times does Mulder need to be right before you give him some slack with his insane theories?

That's true, but it feels the formula is often more:

1) Mulder attributes a spree of crimes to something he read about in Fortean Times
2) Scully counters that it's probably just a hosed up guy.
3) It's actually a hosed up guy, but he has suckers on his hands like a mountain chupacabra or w/e
4) the shoot him to death and he falls into a Woodchipper
5) Scully cracks open wordperfect and starts her report "Since the dawn of time, man has been terrified and fascinated by woodchippers. In this essay, I will..."

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Enfys posted:

I'll never try to reread them because it would almost certainly ruin my good memories of them, but I really loved the X-Files novels as a kid and devoured them in between waiting for new episodes

they are also very educational

this book taught me that skin cells are everywhere and you should never ever touch your face with your hands, a lesson child-me took to heart :colbert:



There were a couple of X-Files teen novels released within the last few years, dealing with teen Mulder and Scully respectively. While they're probably not canon, The Mulder one was fun and covers the events that spark his interest in the FBI. There's no supernatural or cryptozoologica stuff in it though, just a (surprisingly grim for a YA book) normal hosed up guy. I should read the Scully one one slow evening.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Edit: double post redacted by deputy-director Walter Skinner

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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redshirt posted:

Drop the names of these novels, please.

The mulder one is called X-Files: Agents of Chaos, and the Scully one Devils Advocate. I've only read the Mulder one, but like I said, breezy enough with probably enough there for a fan of the show.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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It's weird that Vince Giligan doesn't seem to have been approached as the show-runner for the reboot.

Of course, he might have said no, but I'd be interested if it was in his hands.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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If I'm having a bad day I just think about that titty bigfoot Mulder drew

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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redshirt posted:

Can someone successfully and succinctily summarize the "Mythology" storyline?
The black goo, the aliens, the bees, the abductions, etc.

I can't do it successfully, but IIRC the whole plot was a long term project by a group of humans working with aliens to create an alien-human hybrid. The aliens were the dominant partner in this relationship.

Am I close?

I think so. There was an intergalactic war going on that humans were kind of pawns in? And Earth was going to be colonised?

Honestly, it's like a 6 year old describing a dream.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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redshirt posted:

Wow, yay my memory!

I could be making stuff up, but I thought the bounty hunter was a shape-shifter and the eyeless guys were aliens of that phenotype or whatever? Honestly, the mytharc is confusing to me probably 50% because I filled in gaps and confused them for canon and 50% it's near indecipherable.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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JediTalentAgent posted:

I could have sworn that there was a rumor that Fox had wanted the show "The Visitor" to have had a tie-in with X-files or Millennium at one point.

Probably! COPS kind of got a tie-in (and it was great!), Greener Grass had one planned and there was the Simpsons thing, not to mention a Not-Homer cameo in a later episode. That Munch cop from a bunch of shows cameos too.

The saddest X-Files never-was is that Nigel Kneale (Quatermass, The Stone Tape) was approached to write an episode and its sad he refused with being such a key figure in the horror but actually it's proccedural sci-fi thing.

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Spazzle posted:

Wasn't there an episode where people come from a future not controlled by aliens? Doesn't that imply that alien domination is not inevitable?

Yeah, there's a time-travel episode, but it's pretty isolated and the implications (that an alien apocalypse is like 60 years away, if it all) aren't explored.

A Fancy Hat posted:

I guess because all of the bigwigs in the government have just resigned themselves to the deal and thought that something like this might raise too much suspicion.

But it would have been cool if they had gotten the guy from Pusher to try and stop an alien. Could his powers even work on an alien brain?

It works for me that there was never like, an X-Files X-Men, because most of the mutants and people with abilities they meet are loving psychos who live off of human livers or whatever. And yeah, they'd have a vested interest in the world not ending, presumably, but they're hardly reliable (in the cases where they survive and are captured and not outright killed or disappear mysteriously).

It is interesting we didn't see much of people who are "monsters" trying to get on day to day - there was one later episode, maybe season 7, where there was a dude who was a gross mutant, but also was just some nervy dude who was doing his best as a fast-food manager.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Zesty posted:

We love it every time Scully is asked the psychology questions instead of Mulder even though he was initially conceived and introduced to the show as a psychologist. They lost that almost immediately after season 1.

Scully smart educated one in all sciences. Spooky Mulder says spooky stuff. Brrrrr.

I think at some point in one of the newer seasons, Mulder straight up says “I’m not a psychologist.”

That's true though - he was a trained and skilled profiler, but only his undergrad was in psychology.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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A Fancy Hat posted:

I had "Hungry Ghosts", which is the adaptation of Hell Money.

I guess they didn't want to put "Hell" on the cover of a book for kids, but they still included some (as I remember it) pretty horrific descriptions of people getting their organs removed while they were still alive.

That's a grisly episode - has a couple of live cremations too, if I remember correctly.

It also feels weirdly like a backdoor pilot for a show about the Chinatown cop they assist, but that was never intentional to my knowledge.

Oh! I picked up a box of Topps X-Files cards from 1997 for £20 before Christmas and put them in people's gifts as a little treat, gave some to a friend who had a VIP ticket for a David Duchovny live show with a meet and greet.

My partner keeps a Scully card in their to get them through rough days.

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Dec 6, 2004

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Milo and POTUS posted:

I had The Tooms episode, i think I win this one.

Except he gets live cremated at the end IIRR lmao

Yeah, I remember he turned out shady, but I didn't remember it being him who dies at the end.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Poohs Packin posted:

This is the Chinese episode in Season 3. Season 4 really turns on the "ethnicity" episodes. These probably wouldn't fly in 2024 but looking back they are kind of quaint for trying.

s4e3 "Teliko" is a MOTW episode that has a ton of African drums and flutes and is about a West African curse/spirit/ghost and explores some racial themes.

s4e11 "El Mundo Gira" heavily features Mexican migrant workers and co-stars Ramon Cruz who also famously got his poo poo pushed in bigtime in Training Day (2001).

s4e15 "Kaddish" which finds Mulder chasing a Golem through tunnels attached to a Hasidic shul. Wild stuff.

Kaddish might be the darkest (in terms of lighting) episode of the series? I remember it just being pitch black (and kind of slow).

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Poohs Packin posted:

Watching s5e16 "Mind's Eye" about a blind woman with the ability to see through the eyes of a killer.

Somehow, the least realistic aspect of the episode is the cop who realizes hes wrong about her doing the killing, owns up to his mistake, and then personally promises to see that shes protected from the real killer. Like, come the gently caress on.

The 90s optimism runs really deep in this show sometimes.

The bit in the Smoking Man background episode where he's left underemployed after Gulf War I because all Americas enemies "are defeated now" is some peak end of history blinkered poo poo.

The line is meant to be funny in a blackly comic episode that riffs on Forest Gump, but not funny in the way it reads now.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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happyhippy posted:

There was an episode of some AI being in some trailer with a zillion phone lines going into it.
That was the point where I wanted to be a computer toucher.

That was the good co-written William Gibson episode, before he wrote one of the worst episodes.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Pac and Cheese posted:

i've been watching x files for the first time, my main takeaways are that it's one of the best comedies ever made, and that mark snow got paid more to aimlessly noodle around on a keyboard for a few years than you'll make in your entire life

Hey, that's bullshit.

He'd also crack out the pan pipes whenever a native American was on screen.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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He's Walter Skinner, not Walter Clothesner

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Outpost22 posted:

I missed the second ep of the two parter where Mulder was stuck in a train buried in the desert with a bunch of alien bodies. How did he get out alive?

Hid himself under the bodies but still got all hosed up and some native Americans nursed him back to health and he had a spiritual journey while in a magical coma.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Milo and POTUS posted:

Another X file could walk through walls and saved him

There's a later episode about a guy who does that but can't do glass and he gets hit by car and trisected.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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I don't think anyone understands the show less than Chris Carter, with the exception of whoever wrote that episode about the hospital with the cultist doctors who sacrifice patients.

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Dec 6, 2004

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redshirt posted:

Death of the Author, right?

If Carter was clueless, then who was the creative driving force behind the show?

BBS fan fiction writers.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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I AM GRANDO posted:

The earliest pop-cultural depiction of a weeaboo I can think of.

I liked when he talked the fat cop into a stroke.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Zesty posted:

Yeah let me throw a dart here.

Season 3, Episode 14: Bad guy is a mentally ill man (Mostow) who claims a demon is making him kill others. Red Foreman is so obsessed with catching the killer, he unknowingly becomes mentally ill himself by empathizing with him and starts performing murders.

Random number generator'd that one. Honestly, first hit.

It's really supremely easy to notice this though. How many times is the bad guy mentally ill, or deformed in some way, or someone dealing with trauma? If they're actually trying to portray a specific disability, notice how they dial it up to 11 and sprinkle on as many other unrelated disabilities as possible, such as Roland's Autism.

How often is someone with a disability only there to be pitied? Every single instance where they're not the bad guy.

"Mulder also believes that Harold formed some kind of profound connection to the victims but was unable to express his feelings due to his Autism so a psychic connection formed between him and the murdered women."
-Elegy, Season 4, Episode 22

Magical Disabled Trope, an offshoot of the Magical Negro trope.

Any amount of googling will show umteen instances of disability being portrayed poorly. They're not rare at all. It's a theme. Disability is used as inspiration for X-Files episodes.

Here's an article about disability stereotypes. It might help you pin specific tropes to the episodes you watch.

Yeah, and I think its more apparent because the show peddles in outcasts more than most. I do like the read that Mulder himself is autistic that some modern viewers take, though.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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bagmonkey posted:

yep, some dumb weird poo poo like that. and the episode is EXTREMELY PLODDING with it's pacing. Like, even the action parts somehow felt slow and boring.

i wanna rewatch the Doggett seasons soon. he was ALMOST a good character, would've been good if he was written better. Reyes got the shaft from start to end character wise.

also i never fully watch MILLENIUM so I think I might do that. is there a good way to watch the episodes that touch the X-Files and lead into the actual series?

I'm not sure there are too many - Jose Chung appears once, I think?

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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I AM GRANDO posted:

Having any kind of world-changing implications from the motw episodes is complicated by having all of the superpowered or supernatural one-off people be gross criminals or unfixable perverts independent of whatever magic thing they do. Nobody could ever convince that lightning kid to do anything good or even be curious about what he can do. Even scientists are usually obsessed with revenge from beyond the grave or some poo poo instead of taking Scully or their old department chair aside for five minutes to explain how it works.

And then when you do get somebody reasonable, smoking man black-bags him for a mind suck.

The mutants occasionally need to eat humans to survive too, like Toombs, the fat-sucker, the melanin sucker or the fast-food worker guy from one of the later seasons.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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As much as the lore shat the bed, I do like that the Aliens, and their motivation and possible culture, is just completely unknowable. Perhaps not entirely by design, but it skirts cosmic horror.

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Dec 6, 2004

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Snow Cone Capone posted:

culture I agree but tbh I always saw their motivations as pretty clear, "we want this planet, and we could just murder everybody but it's more efficient to just turn them into more of us instead"

Yeah, I guess, but that always felt like method rather than motivation to me.

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