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 https://youtu.be/r-vfg3KkV54 The Zone of Interest is the new film from writer/director Jonathan Glazer, his first in ten years since 2014’s Under the Skin. It is based on the true story of Rudolf Hoss, a Nazi kommandant at Auschwitz who lived in an estate directly adjacent to the camp. It is available in select theaters now.
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This movie is loving amazing and has one of the best endings I’ve ever seen
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Dec 15, 2023 16:20
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I'm so unbelievably excited for this movie.
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Dec 15, 2023 18:03
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Yeah this is high on my list to see.
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Dec 16, 2023 01:02
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I really liked Under the Skin, and Sandra Hüller was amazing in Anatomy of a Fall so I'm stoked to see this, especially after seeing both trailers. It was getting trashed a bit on imdb last time I looked but tbh if you want the film about the dude who lives next to and runs auschwitz to be 'more subtle' then you might just be brain damaged
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Dec 16, 2023 21:56
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It has an 8/10 on imdb from over a thousand ratings which seems pretty unusually good for a movie like this. if you're going to imdb to read individual reviews about any movie, let alone one related to nazi stuff then... idk what to tell ya lol
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Dec 16, 2023 22:00
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Had to drive an hour to watch this but it was more than worth it. I’m a big Glazer fan (Under the Skin is one of my favorite films of the 2010s), and this exceeded my expectations! Rarely felt such a gut punch from a film that is seemingly so passive in how it presents its characters and their story. The way this was filmed is a revelation and the sound design was like no other. A true descent into hell, calling it an examination of “the banality of evil” is really selling it short. When it ended you could hear a pin drop in the theater (until Mica Levi’s amazing ending credits track kicked in) I hear it’s supposedly going into wide release later this month and I absolutely cannot wait to see it again! Easily my favorite movie of 2023 Boy of Joy fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jan 16, 2024 |
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Jan 16, 2024 12:47
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Escobarbarian posted:This movie is loving amazing and has one of the best endings I’ve ever seen Yeah I was really surprised and impressed by that ending. Something about the banality of evil and the banality of preserving the memory of that evil, I don't know quite what to make of it yet but it really had an impact on me.
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Jan 18, 2024 04:52
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Cacator posted:Yeah I was really surprised and impressed by that ending. Something about the banality of evil and the banality of preserving the memory of that evil, I don't know quite what to make of it yet but it really had an impact on me. IMO my read on the ending is Hoss receives a direct vision of the future, of what side of history he will be on, of what future generations will think of him and his work, and his response is to go “…eh” and keep on doing what he was doing
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Jan 18, 2024 06:23
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This really was amazing. I'm struggling to parse a lot of it, but I think it goes much farther than acknowledgements of the banality of evil that we can't help but expect from a story like this. This went so much farther than portraying people compartmentalizing or just blocking out the evil; they were addicted to the thrill of killing and death. The person I watched it with pointed out that the baby basically disappeared after the first act, which I stupidly hadn't noticed, but we realized we had likely missed the fact that the screen fading to red indicated the baby's death. I think those were the ashes being mixed into the garden later. I definitely need to read some supplementary material to help understand the "spreading sugar," aka strewing fruit all over the place. I love how those scenes seemed to occupy the dreams of our protagonists no matter what other stories they tried to tell. edit: also this movie maybe functions shockingly well as a criticism of Israel Martman fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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Jan 19, 2024 08:49
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What a movie. I didn't think I'd ever see any more new ways of looking at the Holocaust, but here we are. I couldn't help but think of Jeanne Dielman (probably because I saw it recently), where the dullness on the surface allows for bits in the background (here, mostly sounds) to occasionally pop up and hit you like a brick.Pirate Jet posted:IMO my read on the ending is Hoss receives a direct vision of the future, of what side of history he will be on, of what future generations will think of him and his work, and his response is to go “…eh” and keep on doing what he was doing Yeah that's how I saw it as well. The fact that he's imagining this while vomiting is also relevant: his body is reacting to the horrors that he has mentally blocked out. (and his doctor's appointment earlier indicates to me that this was not an uncommon occurrence for him) As an aside, the cleaning scene also made me think of how unsettling I find to learn about atrocities as a tourist and through the lens of a museum. I don't know, there's just something inherently dehumanizing in it. Although friends who've been to Auschwitz have all described the experience as appropriately haunting, so maybe it doesn't apply to it
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Jan 19, 2024 14:10
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I have complained about Holocaust movies being absolutely meaningless misery porn for a while so I'm weirdly excited to see an actually meaningful movie about the banality of it all. These reactions are encouraging.
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Jan 19, 2024 16:59
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It's not all misery either, one scene in my theatre even got an uncomfortable laugh! "Heil Hitler, etc."
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Jan 19, 2024 19:32
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olorum posted:
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Jan 19, 2024 23:49
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Martman posted:The person I watched it with pointed out that the baby basically disappeared after the first act, which I stupidly hadn't noticed, but we realized we had likely missed the fact that the screen fading to red indicated the baby's death. I think those were the ashes being mixed into the garden later. Don’t we see the baby in a room with the servant, there’s a brief cut to them in the scene where Rudolf’s mother in law is awoken in the night by the smell of the incinerators? Or is that implied to be the servant’s baby?
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Jan 20, 2024 22:41
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Pirate Jet posted:Don’t we see the baby in a room with the servant, there’s a brief cut to them in the scene where Rudolf’s mother in law is awoken in the night by the smell of the incinerators? Or is that implied to be the servant’s baby? Martman fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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Jan 20, 2024 23:02
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Martman posted:I thought that scene with the servant was the one with the fade to red, although I may have mixed up just how far into the movie it is. But after that I don't think the baby is seen or heard from anymore. I definitely could have been misreading this, but the baby's crying was such a noticeable distraction during a lot of the first half of the movie and I'm confused by what else might have changed, unless they sent her away or something I only just saw the film the other day because A24 doesn’t think my state exists, and I kept your comment in mind - the fade to red is after Hedwig shows her mother their garden, and then some time after is the scene where she’s awoken by the smell, where there’s a brief cut to the young girl servant (who Hedwig later threatens to kill) in a room with a baby in a crib. I do not know if the baby is the servant’s or Hedwig’s.
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Jan 20, 2024 23:30
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Ah my bad. My brain was definitely getting jumbled by the shock of it all.
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Jan 20, 2024 23:32
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You could be right! It’s an interesting theory. If not I think the fade to red is just emblematic of a theme pointed out by olorum, where the facade breaks and everyone’s ability to internalize the horrors is about to burst, like the film itself is unable to contain itself for a moment. I think this is also the point of the camerawork, it’s almost like it’s posing as the work of a hack documentarian, staying “neutral” and “objective” despite what it’s depicting. The cinematography itself is living a lie.
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I thought this was just okay, but reading other reviews I’m wondering if the sound at my screening was too low because there were only a couple moments where the sound from the camp was notably gruesome (the red scene, the apple) but in all the other scenes it just sounded like they were living next to a construction site with occasional gunfire. Was I meant to be hearing a constant churn of distant screaming or something? Some of the visuals were amazing, particularly the intrusion of the mother’s perspective, and all the ways things are happening just out of frame (e.g. the train smoke rising just above the greenhouse). I also appreciated the archly objective camerawork, which often plays like surveillance footage, cutting from one room to the next as characters pass through them. Also, props to the music. The overture made me queasy.
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Jan 21, 2024 17:58
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I thought this was just okay, but reading other reviews I’m wondering if the sound at my screening was too low because there were only a couple moments where the sound from the camp was notably gruesome (the red scene, the apple) but in all the other scenes it just sounded like they were living next to a construction site with occasional gunfire. Was I meant to be hearing a constant churn of distant screaming or something?
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Jan 21, 2024 18:52
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Coaaab posted:I think the point of the obscure sound design is that it isn't explicitly horrible but all pervasive where some of the characters can tune it out but the other characters and we in the audience cannot That's kind of what I figured but I kept reading about the sound design being like, stomach-churning, so I wasn't sure. Glazer also talked about this idea that the sound is telling one story while the image is telling another, but that didn't really land for me, either, because you're constantly seeing the smokestacks and barbed wire and so on, while you're really mostly just hearing people toiling and milling around in the distance. They're obviously toiling and milling around in a tragic fashion, and it's on the viewer to maintain the context, but it never felt to me like those two elements were clashing as dramatically as some reviews have described. edit: also, I appreciate that the polish girl planting fruit for the laborers directly led to them being shot for fighting over apples. Nice little gestures mean gently caress all when the evil is that immense. Magic Hate Ball fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Jan 21, 2024 19:43
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Magic Hate Ball posted:edit: also, I appreciate that the polish girl planting fruit for the laborers directly led to them being shot for fighting over apples. Nice little gestures mean gently caress all when the evil is that immense. cannot believe how powerful this realisation was. anyway, re the sound design: https://twitter.com/SadHillDevan/status/1749272324757704797
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Jan 23, 2024 02:59
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Escobarbarian posted:cannot believe how powerful this realisation was. It was so pointed it almost made me laugh. A very Dogville moment.
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Jan 23, 2024 03:43
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The movie becomes 100 times funnier if you imagine Jerry Lewis' unreleased film The Day The Clown Cried is happening on the other side of the garden wall. I need to see this movie again, hopefully with some folks that have no idea what it's about. It's almost to the point I wish I went in completely ignorant of the plot.
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Jan 26, 2024 07:15
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Android Apocalypse posted:The movie becomes 100 times funnier if you imagine Jerry Lewis' unreleased film The Day The Clown Cried is happening on the other side of the garden wall. Thanks for the tips on making The Zone of Interest funnier 👍
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Jan 26, 2024 14:21
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Not gonna clown on that guy, whatever floats your boat. But I do think the movie will hit different depending on how much you know about the premise (or just holocaust stuff in general) going in. Really unsure how someone would react with minimal or no knowledge, but A24’s distribution strategy is doing a great job of preventing the general population from seeing it 
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Jan 26, 2024 22:18
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I was feeling uneasy about sitting down and watching this film, even canceling on a friend last week when I felt like I wasn't in the proper mood to see it. Finally caught a showing last night and, wow, what a terrifically compelling piece of art. I don't know if "rewarding" is the right word considering the subject matter, but it was profoundly unnerving and I'm still thinking about it today. Need to see the rest of Glazer's work asap.
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Jan 29, 2024 17:38
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Rental Sting posted:I was feeling uneasy about sitting down and watching this film, even canceling on a friend last week when I felt like I wasn't in the proper mood to see it. Finally caught a showing last night and, wow, what a terrifically compelling piece of art. I don't know if "rewarding" is the right word considering the subject matter, but it was profoundly unnerving and I'm still thinking about it today. Need to see the rest of Glazer's work asap. start here
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Jan 29, 2024 18:44
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I saw this today with a pretty full theater. Very interesting choice and style for the film. Reminded me of a peaceful Ozu film but with an evil family and that constant mechanical droning and gunshots. The whole idea of a family drama with a husband landing that big project is of course an insane contrast to the subject matter. The sound was very effective. Need to think on it more though. Maybe it’s a bit of how we all still live our lives as injustice and tragedies occur around us. As for the ending: there’s the image of them literally cleaning history as if to sanitize it for consumption. But maybe it’s more that any depiction of the horrors of the holocaust will be cleaner than the truth. Hoss physically feels some kind of revulsion for this giant genocide plan he will take on, but he swallows it down and literally descends into the darkness willingly.
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checkplease posted:As for the ending: there’s the image of them literally cleaning history as if to sanitize it for consumption. But maybe it’s more that any depiction of the horrors of the holocaust will be cleaner than the truth. Hoss physically feels some kind of revulsion for this giant genocide plan he will take on, but he swallows it down and literally descends into the darkness willingly. He doesn't throw up but they cut to people cleaning up eighty years later. That has to be something about the distance his family has it. It's also a reference to The Act of Killing. live with fruit fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Feb 5, 2024 07:03
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finally got to the theatre to see it, and glad I saw it with the big speakers. truly astounding. I can't believe it's perhaps the first Holocaust movie I've seen that portrays the Nazi apparatus as essentially an amoral corporation looking to profit and prey on the rest of Europe. all of this senseless death just to build a bland, loveless, grasping life in the suburbs.
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yeah the real estate angle and the influence from reality television kinda gave off nathan fielder vibes for me. couldnt help but watch this in context of The Curse as they came out around the same time. theres also the fact that the cinematography (surveillance cam axis, clears the Tarkovsky ring) and editing style reminded me of a particular camera movement from The Rehersal similarly designed to slam the viewer through a table of the continuity of space to me all the reality elements kinda end up doing the opposite and instead create a discomforting surreality, almost melodrama. i heard that polish cleaning girl #1 is a real person who lived in an area and the bike and costume for the actress came from the collection of the real person, a la alice tremond i think the movie could have used hfr, maybe that wouldnt be possible budget wise but i think having a premium projection format would have been a boon for box office numbers
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They should've released this movie in DBOX.
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Feb 7, 2024 16:49
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Magic Hate Ball posted:They should've released this movie in DBOX. Absolutely.
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Feb 7, 2024 16:56
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i mean the movie is made to be entertaining? if you are going about this with a sony camera you might as well go all the way into gemini man territory
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Feb 8, 2024 00:18
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I dunno if I would say the movie is made to be entertaining
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Feb 8, 2024 01:05
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checkplease posted:I dunno if I would say the movie is made to be entertaining not that I disagree with your point but it seems to me the director actually thinks the opposite? at least, that's how I interpreted the modern day scenes of Auschwitz. glazer seems selfconscious about placing the horrors of the Holocaust into a form of media to be consumed and then discarded (compartmentalized?) the cleaning crew carefully cleaning the sterile hall of horrors felt to me like a amusement park after the guests have left. nearly as disturbing as the rest of the movie.
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Just got out of a screening and gently caress. I’ll be thinking about it for next few days but my immediate thought is how deftly the film shows the different ways it was loving up their children. Very glad I saw it, don’t know if I’ll ever watch it again
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Famethrowa posted:not that I disagree with your point but it seems to me the director actually thinks the opposite?
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