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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Why put an ichor bowl here?  Try it and see.
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Dec 23, 2023 17:48
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I think this is just trolling from the dev for people not paying attention and thinking this is the end before heading up the divine throne.
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Turin Turambar posted:Yeah, the game is definitely harder now, and not in a 'oh there are more stuff so it's all more diluted now' way (although that is true too). I actually mean, for example, they are attack patterns in floor 5 already that are way more tricky than they were in a previous version, before you had to wait until Floor 8 for the tricky ones. And the classes themselves were more powerful before, with some traits had made them gain a ridiculous amount of armor, soul hearts or stamina, now their traits are less 'meaty'. I have to agree. The new metaprogression systems feel clunky and pointless, Cinder 0 is now about as hard as Cinder 4-6 was before, and some of the new attacks are just stupidly cruel. It's way too easy to take an unavoidable hit now and at the same time all the evasion has been nerfed. And just to rub it in, being revived doesn't give i-frames so you take damage from whatever killed you.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:01
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The new version felt extremely difficult at first playing it on the beta, but by the time you get a grip on how to make overpowered builds it gets a lot easier. Still more difficult than the OG Tiny Rogues but it was too easy, so more difficulty is good. For anyone having trouble getting a win, IMO the easiest victory is the Wizard. Pick talents/rewards related to getting more mana, and getting more stats from mana. They scale incredibly hard, to the point where you can delete the end-game bosses in ~3 seconds or less with a good setup. Especially if you can get 100% crushing hit in the process because mana-scaling talents shoot your top-end damage through the roof. Metaprogression stuff tends to make the game quite a bit easier too. Just walking clockwise around the wall of a room will avoid most attacks in the entire game (except on floor 10 where you want to go counter-clockwise because of the penta-laser skulls). There are some things you'll need to dash for like scorpions, sometimes dragonflies, late-game archer types, etc but if you just get used to circlestrafing around rooms you'll avoid lots of incoming damage. I'm really loving this update and have put 30+ hours into it between the beta and now. Very excited for future updates!! Demon Hunter is my favorite new class. And always take the starting Dice gift and prioritize dice reward rooms. Using dice well makes the game a whooole lot easier. Red dice have a fairly high rate of giving rooms stat rewards and blue dice let you avoid bad traits rolls. Don't forget that you can bomb arcade machines for more dice as long as they're not broken. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Dec 23, 2023 |
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Dec 23, 2023 18:06
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The soul scarf is also great as it let you abuse potion to gain soul hearts.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:13
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Some of the mastery perks help quite a lot with survival. Lucky Start (+1 luck on first 3 floors) and Call to Adventure (suppression hearts on first 3 bosses) are immediately accessible from the start, cost 2 points total, and can easily make the difference between a run that snowballs and a run that gets killed via attrition. In the Eleventh Hour (more healing) and Rebirth (1 respawn) are also 2 points, as are First Aid (+1 flask) and Hope (+1 soul heart). After these 6, which I consider essential, you can just specialize in whichever you like.deep dish peat moss posted:The new version felt extremely difficult at first playing it on the beta, but by the time you get a grip on how to make overpowered builds it gets a lot easier. Extremely broadly speaking, Strength focuses on getting their numbers as big as possible (crushing blow, ruthless hit), Dexterity wants to attack as fast as possible with flat +damage boosts (infusions, lucky hits, trigger hits, tallies), and Intelligence tries to compound different types of power boosts to get multiplicative scaling. deep dish peat moss posted:And always take the starting Dice gift and prioritize dice reward rooms. Using dice well makes the game a whooole lot easier. Yep, dice are a godsend. Especially golden dice are much more useful now that boss rewards come in threes.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:15
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Also the room rewards that show a gift box and say gain 2-3 random consumables are very, very good. They often contain phoenix feathers (give a rebirth while held in inventory), whetstones, armor repair powders and soul hearts.
deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Dec 23, 2023 |
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Dec 23, 2023 18:20
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This was fun. Crushing Blow (guaranteed max roll on damage) & Ruthless Hit (damage range is doubled) & Fighter's Reward (50% boost to top-end damage) plus extreme scaling from S strength, S str->dex and S dexterity for 13377 damage per vegetable. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025090099714732143/1188184460315873290/bomby.webm
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Dec 23, 2023 19:23
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As far as I can tell, need 4 or more evil for level 12 Hell, 4+ law for level 12 Shadow Realm, 4+ Good for level 12 Heaven. Chaos does... Nothing, I guess? Overall, new update is good. It's already 3 am here, I've just been playing this game non-stop lol. Also, from what I can tell the whole gem soul guardian side quest from OG Tiny Rogues got scrapped, with Mega Death being renamed Primal Death and moved to Shadow Realm level 12 with some nice aesthetic upgrades, plus gem soul guardian also being moved to level 12 as a regular enemy. I do have to say, though, the nightwalker-esque enemy on level 12 Shadow Realm with the countdown to death mechanic scared the poo poo out of me when I first saw it. I have to say that making dedicated slots for charms was a great move since it was annoying having them clog up limited inventory space before. Also having a weight limit on equipment and set hunting adds some interesting decision-making to the game. I think although the game was solid before it was a bit shallow which limited replayability. Although the system is a bit more complex and takes more time to get a handle on now, it adds more depth to the gameplay which I think is a good thing overall. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Dec 23, 2023 |
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Dec 23, 2023 20:11
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Cinder 16 is crazy. I find some of the early cinder levels get stale because the pool of enemy enchantments is so small but cinder 16 is just wall to wall insanity. I didn't think it would be as fun as it is. Cold damage is basically mandatory for someone of my skill level though I'm not dodging poo poo without that.
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Dec 23, 2023 21:20
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I just wish stamina recovery wasn't abysmal now.
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Dec 23, 2023 22:21
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If you're very lucky it's possible to get enough increased invincibility time after dashing from charms to hit 100% uptime of invincibility. Those charms would be really OP if stamina regen was faster or easier to get  I find that I very rarely use dash in the current version of the game though, it generally just makes things worse for me by throwing me in the way of another projectile but maybe I'm just bad at reacting to it. Most attack patterns can be avoided by either running big circles around the room or standing still/making slight movements. There are tons of "safe" spots to stand in almost any attack pattern. e: This advice does not apply to stage 12 bosses because those assholes have some really gnarly moves. Eden's thing where you have to stand inside a small moving ring while avoiding both small projectiles and spinning beams can gently caress right off 
deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 23, 2023 |
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Dec 23, 2023 22:42
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I think this game has the most broken dash I've ever played with. You can dash into projectiles and you won't take damage, the iframes way exceed the animation. It definitely handles differently from a lot of games' dashes but its something worth getting used to.
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Dec 23, 2023 22:55
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Ok, I got my first win, with the Priest (and a 'Deadly Galactic Bible'). Self-revives for the win. And honestly, I think not having to think on aiming with the orbital weapon, and focusing more that way on avoiding enemies helped me. I just tried now the Pyromancer, and he dishes damage out of the wazoo, but he is the prototypical glass cannon, he doesn't have extra hearts, armor, soul hearts, block shields, anything to survive. Got only up to Floor 5 :P.
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Dec 23, 2023 23:02
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This game is definitely more difficult than most roguelikes I've played, hearing that that's almost entirely because of changes in the new update is kind of... unfortunate. Because I'm pretty close to just giving up. Too many runs where I get offered 0 shields, 0 armor with armor on it, 0 healing, etc.
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Dec 23, 2023 23:49
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Finally beat the stupid Shadow Realms so I can start earning new classes. Took having the the 100% to trigger damage, triggers off of both my lucky hits and off my critical hits, the item that cycled automatically through the various types of hits, and a weapon that attacked about 5 times a second at range.
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Dec 23, 2023 23:56
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Beat death on my second run with the Ranger, I had an extra shield but with the one charge of evade I don't think I took actual damage until the 7th floor or so. I definitely prefer it when the game is more about positioning and timing your dodges to avoid taking damage instead of relying on stacking extra dodges/shields/hearts. It is a huge help to jack the auto-aim up in the controller settings to max so literally all you need to do is hold RT and make sure you don't get hit, feels more like a vampire survivors sorta game this way and lets me focus more on my positioning.
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Dec 24, 2023 00:10
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explosivo posted:Beat death on my second run with the Ranger, I had an extra shield but with the one charge of evade I don't think I took actual damage until the 7th floor or so. I definitely prefer it when the game is more about positioning and timing your dodges to avoid taking damage instead of relying on stacking extra dodges/shields/hearts. It is a huge help to jack the auto-aim up in the controller settings to max so literally all you need to do is hold RT and make sure you don't get hit, feels more like a vampire survivors sorta game this way and lets me focus more on my positioning. Yes, and it's notably easier to play like that than trying it with mouse + keyboard... Kinda the easy mode the game is lacking :P
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Dec 24, 2023 00:33
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Turin Turambar posted:Yes, and it's notably easier to play like that than trying it with mouse + keyboard... I completely agree. It's real weird you can't do it with kb+m.
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Dec 24, 2023 00:45
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im bad at video games and am getting regular wins in the update. i think the difficulty is pretty good right now. imo extra red dice is another upgrade that should be added to that list of stuff you want to beeline.
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Dec 24, 2023 00:45
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I'm convinced the dice kit is the best starting trinket in this new version. Absolutely crushed floors 11 and 12 on my first visit to floor 12, and I think using a metric ton of rerolls is the only thing that made it so.
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Dec 24, 2023 01:38
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KittyEmpress posted:This game is definitely more difficult than most roguelikes I've played, hearing that that's almost entirely because of changes in the new update is kind of... unfortunate. Because I'm pretty close to just giving up. For what it's worth the dev has plans to add classic mode in as a beta branch
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Dec 24, 2023 01:44
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One pitfall I'm seeing people elsewhere struggle with: don't be too picky about food even if it's the "wrong" stat. The passive bonuses you get from off-stats are still helpful, there's a good chance you find a weapon that has cross-stat scaling, and you want as much experience as you can get anyhow. Falling behind the experience curve is extremely painful because it's not really linear, you want your build to be more than the sum of its parts and a lot of traits might not do much on their own, so getting more traits faster is very important to get things to start popping (especially if you do have a dud roll that needs more support to do anything for you.)
the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Dec 24, 2023 |
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Dec 24, 2023 01:46
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Yay, managed a win at Cinder 12. But drat the added modifiers from Cinder 16 seem insanity inducing.
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Infinity Gaia posted:Yay, managed a win at Cinder 12. But drat the added modifiers from Cinder 16 seem insanity inducing.
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Dec 24, 2023 02:07
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I recorded a video of a full run on Cinder 0 using a starter class in case it helps shed some light on how to dodge attacks or put together a build. I don't consider myself very good at Bullet Hell games but I do have 250+ runs of Tiny Rogues under my belt  e: Oh lmao it picked up the audio in the movie I was watching in the background and got blocked on copyright grounds. I'm trimming the audio out now and will repost it later e2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CorRgpHdDw4 deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Dec 24, 2023 |
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Dec 24, 2023 02:32
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How the hell do you get evade? I have yet to see Evade on any item or skill since the update. Seems like another fake HP would be good, given how unbelievably rare any survival option is now.
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Dec 24, 2023 08:09
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Ranger's class ability is a baseline 1 Evade. There are a couple items that have it, but not a ton, and they're pretty rare because yeah Evade is very good. Here's a full Cinder 10 playthrough as a Demon Hunter  Demon Hunter is the strongest class IMO for reasons that are evident throughout the video (super fast leveling, doubled dice reward rooms)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGP65GlLgoA Survivability in general is good but overwhelming damage is better IMO, which is fairly easily accomplished with proper use of dice and picking the right rewards.
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Dec 24, 2023 08:52
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I dunno about taking dice as bonfire boon, I still think Soul Scarf is OP especially with the double flask upgrade. It's handy to have a bunch of soul hearts by the time you get to floors 11 and 12 just in case. The major downside is that it eats up the accessory slot and can be awkward switching back and forth with a good replacement since SS has 3 attunement. Unrelated, but I've been grinding away for the past few hours as Thief trying to ascend and get Ninja but failing at the last moment, starting to get that Tetris effect from the bullets. E: Rubber boots description says "get haste buff when you make it rain". How do you make it rain?  It'd be hilarious if this can be taken metaphorically as well as literally and applies on money gun/flying pig etc.
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Dec 24, 2023 09:21
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Making it Rain is the set bonus for that set, I don't think there's a way to make it rain other than that, but I've never tried with the money gun or anything like that.
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Dec 24, 2023 10:15
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Soul Scarf is alright but you start with no potions at Cinder 16 and you really want to get as strong as possible as fast as possible and the dice REALLY help you get that basic level of power going ASAP. Not that I've beaten Cinder 16 yet or anything...
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Dec 24, 2023 10:55
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deep dish peat moss posted:Making it Rain is the set bonus for that set, I don't think there's a way to make it rain other than that, but I've never tried with the money gun or anything like that. i think some of the 'x rain' spells might trigger it, ive seen acid rain and a couple of others. just a wild guess though
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Dec 24, 2023 11:05
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SKULL.GIF posted:
Okay, well played game. Got a laugh out of me, but makes sense since at that point you're basically immortal now.
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Dec 24, 2023 13:50
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Just to shill soul scarf. Here's a not very unusual floor 4 position:  All but one of those soul hearts is from soul scarf.
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Dec 24, 2023 14:10
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Are there any recommended classes to go unlock? I know some people are recommending Demon Hunter, but I'm kind of more interested in the new oddball/goofy classes like Super Hero, who by the way is just the Hero dressed up in a Saitama costume and mask  .
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Dec 24, 2023 15:31
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No Wave posted:Just to shill soul scarf. You sure that's not very unusual? You had to find several times the place that refills the flask, right? In my past run, I found zero! Speaking of, I had my second win, now with the Bandit (basically, it was a typical archer/crit hit/lucky hit build). It was weird, I did it on my second computer and even if Steam updated the game and got the save from the cloud, when I played the game did the tutorial again. And... the game was easier than usual, you know? Maybe it was the RNG, but I had lots of food in the first two floors, in addition to the three 'free' food that the tutorial gives you.
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Dec 24, 2023 16:30
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From what I can tell you get offered a lot more flasks when your flasks are empty. The best part is refills show up in soul shops and they cost 4 souls so are close to free.
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Dec 24, 2023 17:05
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Those refills take up spots that could be used for more stats and damage, I'd rather kill stuff before I get hit.
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Dec 24, 2023 17:07
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deep dish peat moss posted:Ranger's class ability is a baseline 1 Evade. There are a couple items that have it, but not a ton, and they're pretty rare because yeah Evade is very good. I started playing in beta and demon hunter was one of the first classes I tried, and I liked it, but by the time I really got the hang of the game I had moved on and was trying out other classes. I just unlocked demon hunter on the full version and jesus christ lol hardly any bosses got an attack off (this includes Death.)
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Dec 24, 2023 17:27
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For people who are struggling to find additional survivability: are you finding the secret rooms and locked cellars? Across a full run that's about an entire floor's worth of pickups. Blood chests also have a high chance of giving you an extra heart.
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I got vial refills by bombing blood chests 3 times in a row so its possible thats just what they give. With double bombed chest pickups perk and a soul scarf thats pretty good value!
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