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It's that time of year to determine the new HOF inductees, and this year's ballot is more stacked than ever. We're starting to see the real drawbacks of the committee's 5-player limit, because there are a ton of worthy candidates on this ballot, and many more still stuck in the semifinalist stage. At some point they gotta poo poo or get off the pot with guys who've been waiting for a while, but we also have a couple of obvious first-ballot candidates who might make people wait even longer. Either way, it's only five people, so when making your predictions, you gotta think long and hard about who you will keep out. I don't envy the committee at all this year. First, here are the Senior and Contributor/Coach finalists, who are all but guaranteed to get in: Senior Finalists Randy Gradishar, LB: Denver Broncos 1974-83. 1978 DPOY, two All-Pros, seven Pro Bowls Steve McMichael, DT: New England Patriots 1980, Chicago Bears 1981-93, Green Bay Packers 1994. Two All-Pros, two Pro Bowls, memorable run in WCW as a commentator and part-time wrestler. Art Powell, DE: Philadelphia Eagles 1959, New York Titans 1960-62, Oakland Raiders 1963-66, Buffalo Bills 1967, Minnesota Vikings 1968. Two All-Pros, four Pro Bowls, AFL All-1960s Team. Coaches/Contributors Buddy Parker: Two-time NFL Champion with the Lions in the 50s Modern Candidates CB Eric Allen: Philadelphia Eagles 1988-94, New Orleans Saints 1995-97, Oakland Raiders 1998-2001. One All-Pro, six Pro Bowls. DE Jared Allen: Kansas City Chiefs 2004-07, Minnesota Vikings 2008-13, Chicago Bears 2014-15, Carolina Panthers 2015. Four All-Pros, five Pro Bowls, 12th all-time in sacks (136). OT Willie Anderson: Cincinnati Bengals 1996-2007, Baltimore Ravens 2008. Three All-Pros, four Pro Bowls. G Jahri Evans: New Orleans Saints 2006-16, Green Bay Packers 2017. Four All-Pros, Six Pro Bowls, All-2010s Team. DE Dwight Freeney: Indianapolis Colts 2002-12, San Diego Chargers 2013-14, Arizona Cardinals 2015, Atlanta Falcons 2016, Detroit Lions 2017, Seattle Seahawks 2017. Three All-Pros, Seven Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, 18th all-time in sacks (125.5). TE Antonio Gates: San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers 2003-18. Three All-Pros, eight Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, 7th all-time in receiving touchdowns (116) DB Rodney Harrison: San Diego Chargers 1994-2002, New England Patriots 2003-08. Two All-Pros, two Pro Bowls PR/KR Devin Hester: Chicago Bears 2006-13, Atlanta Falcons 2014-15, Baltimore Ravens 2016, Seattle Seahawks 2016. Three All-Pros, four Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, All-2010s Team, 1st all-time in punt return TDs, 9th all-time in kick return TDs. WR Torry Holt: St. Louis Rams 1999-2008, Jacksonville Jaguars 2009. One All-Pro, seven Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, led league in receiving yards in 2000 and 2003. WR Andre Johnson: Houston Texans 2003-14, Indianapolis Colts 2015, Tennessee Titans 2016. Two All-Pros, seven Pro Bowls, 11th all-time in receptions, 11th all-time in receiving yards, led the league in both categories twice. DE Julius Peppers: Carolina Panthers 2002-09, 2017-18; Chicago Bears 2010-13, Green Bay Packers 2014-16. Three All-Pros, nine Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, All-2010s Team, 2002 DROY, fourth all-time in sacks. RB Fred Taylor: Jacksonville Jaguars 1998-2008, New England Patriots 2009-10. One Pro Bowl. 17th all-time in rushing yards. WR Reggie Wayne: Indianapolis Colts 2001-14. One All-Pro, six Pro Bowls, 10th all-time in receptions, 10th all-time in receiving yards, led league in receiving yards (2007). LB Patrick Willis: San Francisco 49ers 2007-14. Five All-Pros, seven Pro Bowls, All-2010s Team, 2007 DROY. S Darren Woodson: Dallas Cowboys 1992-2003. Three All-Pros, five Pro Bowls. ------ The 2024 Class will be revealed on February 10 at the NFL Honors show.
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Dec 28, 2023 15:34
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Someone in the other thread was talking about how ridiculous it is that entries are capped at five, and it's true. Almost every one of the modern players on the ballot should go (gently caress Rodney Harrison tho), and a fair number should have gone in years ago. At the least, they need to have a few uncapped years to clear out this logjam. (And also to induct Roger Craig and Ricky Watters, justice for WCO backs, etc)
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Dec 28, 2023 15:39
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5 a year is a lot. I wouldn't think the average draft produces 5 Hall of Famers, guys stay on the ballot forever, they have the veteran's committee equivalent for older players so they don't take a regular spot.
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Dec 30, 2023 18:23
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Good idea to quarantine the Hester stuff here
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Dec 30, 2023 18:37
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Peppers and Gates are the 100% locks. After that, I'd go Freeney, Wayne, and Andre Johnson
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Dec 30, 2023 18:37
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Willie Anderson, Jahri Evans, Devin Hester, Julius Peppers, Darren Woodson.
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Dec 30, 2023 18:45
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Hester, Gates, Johnson, Wayne, Peppers Willis is the only guy I feel bad about leaving out. Longevity is obviously the deciding factor here.
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Dec 30, 2023 20:02
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Andrew Johnson, Julius Peppers, Patrick Willis, Antonio Gates, Reggie Wayne I don't know if I could put Hester higher then 13th on that list of guys and even that is me not recalling watching Eric Allen like at all.
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Dec 30, 2023 20:18
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Dumb question but, has it always been only 5 inductees per year? Reason I ask is that the league has obviously expanded by what - 8 teams since the 60s? Shouldn't there be an increase with the number of teams in the era to the number of inductees?
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BlindSite posted:Dumb question but, has it always been only 5 inductees per year? Reason I ask is that the league has obviously expanded by what - 8 teams since the 60s? Shouldn't there be an increase with the number of teams in the era to the number of inductees? From the HOF website: quote:There is no set number of new enshrinees, but the Committee's current ground rules do stipulate that between four and eight new members will be selected each year. Every candidate is thoroughly reviewed and must receive approval from at least 80% of the full Committee to be elected.
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a neat cape posted:From the HOF website: Cheers.
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Dec 31, 2023 00:59
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Put Andre Johnson in you bastards
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fast cars loose anus posted:Put Andre Johnson in you bastards He should be in purely because of fighting Cortland Finnegan. In the same spirit, Tyler Brayton gets in for kneeing rapist Jerramy Stevens in the nuts
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Gonna do the same sort of post I did in the previous versions of this thread, and hell, copy and past some of the same stuff about these guys about what I think their cases look like: Senior Finalists: All Benne said, these are basically locks to get in, as I can't recall one who didn't get in as a finalist, but that said: Randy Gradishar, Linebacker: Dude was a key part of the Orange Crush defense in the mid-to-late 1970s which is when the Broncos first got some national attention. They were one of the early 3-4 defenses in the NFL and it carried them to an appearance in Super Bowl XII, where despite their offense turning it over eight times, they still held Dallas to just 27 points and the defense did all it could (By comparison, when the Bills broke the turnover record with nine in Super Bowl XXVII, they gave up 52 and it would have been more if not for Don Beebe chasing down Leon Lett). Gradishar was regarded as a fantastic linebacker and it's generally thought his career got overlooked by a slew of famous/legendary linebackers that came up in the 80s, and that he retired after John Elway's rookie year, which is the point when the Broncos started getting consistent attention from the football world. Solid choice for a Senior finalist. Steve McMichael, Defensive Tackle: Part on the Chicago Bears defenses of the mid-80s, Mongo was one of the many very colorful characters on a team full of them. Their legendary 46 defense already has two other defensive lineman in the Hall of Fame, Dan Hampton was inducted in 2002, Richard Dent in 2011, plus of course Mike Singletary who went in real quick in 1998. His case is obviously a lot weaker than those guys were, hence his having to wait to be a Senior nominee, and even there I still think it's a bit lacking particularly compared to other Senior nominees who didn't make it to the Finalist stage this year like Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, or Sterling Sharpe. That said, McMichael has been battling ALS for the last few years and lost the ability to speak, so the big push seems to be to vote him in while he's still alive, which honestly is perfectly fine for Senior finalists, so I hope he's able to enjoy it. Art Powell, Wide Receiver: I don't know much about Powell beyond what's on the HoF website and Wikipedia, but the short version is he came out of the CFL, played DB for the Eagles for one year, joined the AFL's New York Titans as a wide receiver and put up some big numbers in the early AFL years, left that team before the became the Jets to join the Oakland Raiders right as Al Davis became the owner and rebranded the team to Silver & Black, where he continued with a few great seasons as the Raiders were starting to build, but was gone just before they truly became [Al Davis voice] Da Raidahs [/Al Davis voice] as people remember them, he was gone by the time they appear in Super Bowl II or the Heidi Bowl or some of those other classic moments they had in the later 60s. He was on the All-Time AFL team and was still kinda high on some Raiders team records for many years. He passed away in 2015, but this feels like a textbook Senior candidate, a dude who ultimately got a bit overlooked or forgotten but was really good in his day. Coaches/Contributors: Buddy Parker, Coach: Coached the Lions to back-to-back NFL championships in 1952 and 1953. He left the team in 1957 in part over a contract dispute (They apparently had him on year-to-year deals and he wanted something longer), and while the Lions would go on to win a third NFL championship that season without him, he signed a longer term deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers, where he ultimately lasted 8 years with some winning seasons but never made the playoffs. His role with the Lions basically gets him in, and the HoF website mentions they were an early team to use stuff like a special two-minute offense and a solid coach for the team overall. The other nominees that he beat out this team included Tom Coughlin, Mike Holmgren, Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer, and Mike Shanahan. Honestly, I'd say Holmgren, Schottenheimer, and Shanahan all had much better cases. Modern Candidates: Eric Allen, Defensive Back: Allen was the best defensive back on the Philadelphia Eagles defenses in the late 80s and early 90s, but would be overlooked a bit there because that was a team with guys like Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons, and initially coached by the colorful Buddy Ryan (Although their best defensive season statistically was after Ryan was fired and they went to a more traditional 4-3). He went to New Orleans in 1995 and was still very good for them and subsequently the Raiders, finally retiring in 2001 at age 36. From what I've heard, he could have kept playing if he'd wanted to. Allen was a really good DB, particularly in the late 80s and early 90s, but this meant he was in the same conference as guys like peak Deion Sanders and Darrell Green fighting for limited Pro-Bowl slots, and then guys like Rod Woodson in the AFC for All-Pro nods, which is probably why he doesn't have as many accolades as others (Linebackers in the 80s had a same issue, particularly those in the NFC, due to Lawrence Taylor). Everything I've seen and read says he should probably go in at some point, but he's a weaker candidate this year and feels like a Senior nominee down the line. Jared Allen, Defensive End: Bunch of Pro Bowls and All-Pros, came close to breaking the sack record in 2011, and well remembered as a colorful guy in a good way. If Mayne Event segments were a consideration, he'd be in first ballot both for the legendary throwing gif, as well as the one with him rocking the jorts and Canadian tuxedo to help Brett Favre sell Wranglers. I said the last few years that I think he'd struggle to get votes against various other players, since there's always a slam dunk first ballot guy and then a few others at different positions with stronger statistical or narrative cases, and that has continued to play out. I want him in, he was one of the most entertaining dudes in the league and just fun in every way possible, but I'm not sure when it'll happen... Willie Anderson, Tackle: Four Pro Bowls and three All-Pros during the Bengals revival in the mid-00s. His 12-year career started during the Bungels era in 1996, and he honestly isn't big name among offensive linemen. Like, I probably remember him vaguely from Madden, cause I really don't remember him at all. Compared to a lot of the other offensive linemen in recent years, he's still a longshot candidate and will generally remain a somewhat weak finalist, but he keeps making it to that stage. He's starting to feel like a Senior nominee, or someone who gets in if they ever expand annual class size. Jahri Evans, Guard: One of the best guards in football for a while, had a slew of Pro-Bowls and All-Pros during the peak years of the Sean Payton/Drew Brees New Orleans Saints teams during and after their Super Bowl year, and at one point was the highest paid guard in the league. A fine candidate for an offensive lineman, and him being on those Saints teams will give him a big advantage over a guy like Willie Anderson, but honestly I don't recall him being hyper dominant or special like other offensive lineman who've gotten in recently like Joe Thomas. Maybe Saints fans can put a bit more context or add something to his argument, but I don't see him going in this year over a number of strong candidates, and I expect I'll probably be reposting this same thing for a few years. Dwight Freeney, Defensive End: At the mention of his name, you're all thinking of the spin move, whether it was blowing past some poor tackle for a sack, or through a cornfield on the intro to Sunday Night Football. Freeney was one of the key cogs on defensive side of the Indianapolis Colts of the 2000s, and once Peyton Manning and the offense got the lead, they'd turn him loose on teams trying to pass to catch up, but he was still a great all around DE during his peak in the 2000s. He was effective on the team until they converted to a 3-4 in 2012, after which he bounced around for five years largely as a pass rush specialist, including another 8 sacks to lead the Arizona Cardinals in 2015 during the high point of the Bruce Arians/Carson Palmer teams. 7 Pro-Bowls, 3 All-Pros, All-2000s team, lead the NFL in sacks in 2004, and that spin move is about as iconic as anything a defensive end has ever had. I'm somewhat biased for him, but I still think he's a strong candidate and will get in soon. Antonio Gates, Tight End: Did you know he played college basketball? Dude has all the individual accolades you could ask for, regarded as one of the key figures in helping further develop tight ends to what they are today as receiving options, and was a good blocker on the line for LaDainian Tomlinson to boot. Should be an absolute lock first ballot inductee this year. Rodney Harrison, Defensive Back: Primarily a strong safety, had a long career with the San Diego Chargers in the 90s before joining New England for their back-to-back teams in 2003 and 2004. Harrison has limited individual accolades, even for the period in the late 90s which weren't thought of as a high point for safety play, and most of his candidacy I think based on his later career role a leader on some of Bill Belichick's great defenses, and subsequent media role on NBC's Sunday Night Football pregame show (Where, for the record, I think he's awful). Ironically, some of his most memorable moments aren't good for him: He's the one who injured Trent Green in the 1999 preseason, leading to Kurt Warner becoming the starter for the St. Louis Rams. He was consistently voted among the dirtiest players in the NFL, particularly during his time in New England. He was also the guy that David Tyree made the helmet catch against in Super Bowl XLII. I don't think he's a particularly strong candidate and shouldn't have made it this far in the process, he's definitely being carried by media love for those Patriots teams, and there are better other candidates from the previous semi-finalist list (Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, London Fletcher, Ricky Watters, and hell even his own NE teammate Vince Wilfork). Devin Hester, Returner: The greatest return man of all time, no question. He unquestionably changed games with how teams kicked or punted to him for years, and was one of the most exciting players in the league for years when the Bears weren't trying to make him a #1 wide receiver due to lack of other options. He made it as a finalist his first year back in 2022, and as I said then, I want him to get in, but I have zero faith in the Hall of Fame voters (And based on the discussion in the other thread, lost some respect for a few posters here). Dude absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame, but the lack of importance people place on special teams will be a hard obstacle to overcome. Torry Holt, Wide Receiver: I wondered several years ago if him and Isaac Bruce being on the same ballot might keep one or both out. Bruce got in, but then Holt had to contend with two other receivers in Calvin Johnson and Reggie Wayne being eligible for the first time in 2021. Megatron went in first ballot (I had serious doubts the voters would do that, as I have low expectations from them), but then Wayne was a finalist again, and they added Andre Johnson to the mix, and so none of them went in the last two years. Holt was awesome for a good eight or nine years, even as the Rams fell apart in the mid-00's, and has a ring, so he has a great chance on paper. The historical track record for the Hall of Fame with wide receivers isn't good, making guys with clear cut, deserving cases have extended waits, and this isn't the first time we've seen a jam at the position with multiple candidates. I said two years ago that I was unsure how him, Wayne, and Johnson all being finalists will impact each other because of the eccentricities of the voters and voting process, so yet again, I'll say he's a toss up on whether he gets inducted or not this year, but he should be in eventually. Andre Johnson, Wide Receiver: A quite guy who didn't talk much or ask for attention, drafted by the Houston Texans in their second year of existence, is basically a recipe for a guy to be ignored by the media for years. He made the Pro Bowl every time he had over 1000 yards, and his two All-Pros coincided with him leading the NFL in yardage in 2008 and 2009. His best seasons came when his QB was mostly Matt Schaub, the Texans had a meh running game, and no defense, so they mainly existed to get lit up by Peyton Manning and ignored by the wider football world. All that said, everyone who watched him knew he was clearly one of the best receivers in football. He's now been eligible the last three years, and is still going up against Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne. I've said before that the lack of team success and raw accolades may hurt him, but he's absolutely deserving and should go in ASAP, but as I said about Holt, I just don't loving know when it comes to voters and receivers. Julius Peppers, Defensive End: Eligible in his first year, Peppers has most of the individual accolades you could ask for, save a Defensive Player of the Year award (He twice finished 4th for that). He's going to get in, that's not the question, it's just whether it'll be this year or not. If it's not this year, I don't think he waits long at all. Fred Taylor, Running Back: Taylor is an odd and weak candidate. He had seven 1000 yard rushing seasons and spent most of his career playing in comparative obscurity for the Jacksonville Jaguars, which is probably why he only got a single Pro-Bowl vote (Near the end of his career in 2007). He was drafted in 1998, so he wasn't on the Jags first surprising playoff run in 1996, and then was on the great 1999 team that just couldn't beat the Tennessee Titans. A couple of injury plagued years got him the unfortunate "Fragile Fred" nickname (In 2001, he tore his groin and missed the last 14 games, but Tom Coughlin kept listing him as "Questionable" :eyeroll:), but he remained a good player for the Jags as the slid from being a really good team in the late 90s to mediocracy in the 2000s. I liked the guy as a player, but I can't put him in above most of the other candidates. Maybe way down the line as a Senior nominee? Yeah, he's probably the weakest case this year. Reggie Wayne, Wide Receiver: As I said a few years ago, I'll preface everything by saying Reggie was one of my favorite players and one of the few actual jerseys that I own. He's still 10th all time both in receptions and yards (Since he retired after 2014, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald passed in him catches, while Fitz and Steve Smith passed him in yards). He was Peyton's favorite target his last five years in Indianapolis, then spent a year and a half doing the same with Andrew Luck, in a new system initially under Bruce Arians where Wayne was used in different ways (Think how Arians used Hines Ward in Pittsburgh, and later Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona), before tearing his ACL at 35. He came back for a final season with the Colts and then spent like a week in the Patriots training camp before retiring. He'll get some benefit for playing with Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Edgerrin James, with some of his best seasons coming after Edge left and when Harrison was either injured or gone. Voters may also give him some benefit for the sort of 'played the right way' bullshit they tend to love, in that Reggie was not hugely outspoken or prone to excessive celebrations. He did talk and dance after some touchdowns, but it wasn't the sort of stuff that grabbed national headlines. As mentioned before, he's been a finalist the last several years. I didn't expect him to go in 2021 with Calvin Johnson, but since I think he's had the best case of the eligible guys, slightly ahead of Torry Holt and Andre Johnson. I want him to get in, and I think he will, but again, I just don't know when... Patrick Willis, Linebacker: Willis was the best middle linebacker in football for seven seasons until he got hurt in his last year. He was outstanding and got attention before Harbaugh's arrival revived the 49ers. In 201, it came up that he was eligible but didn't make it as a finalist, and I noted his legacy seemed to have gotten lost in all the chaos that happened to the 49ers after his retirement, but he's made it as a finalist a few times since. Other deserving middle linebackers, Sam Mills and Zach Thomas, finally went in recently, and the voters are sometimes reluctant to elect several players at the same position in the same year. Without another linebacker on the ballot, and the 49ers now being very good again, that I think improves his odds a bit as it'll make him stand out to voters, but I'm a bit less confident this year. I'd like him to make it eventually, and I think it'd be a pleasant surprise if he did this year. Darren Woodson, Safety: In years past, I mentioned how the safety position in past decades got somewhat overlooked. It really took the evolution of defenses in the 2000s, combined with the overlapping careers of Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu, Rod Woodson finishing his career at safety and still being dominant in that position, among others since, to make the wider football world truly value the position. We've seen this reflected with a handful of safeties get inducted in recent years, such as LeRoy Butler, John Lynch, Cliff Harris, Steve Atwater, along with the aforementioned Reed and Polamalu. The direct comparison here is LeRoy Butler, as his and Darren Woodson's careers largely overlapped. Woodson had one more Pro-Bowl, Butler had one more All-Pro and got named to the 90s All-Decade team. Butler was a key part of the Green Bay Packers revival in the early 90s, and forever drew media love as being credited for inventing the Lambeau Leap (Although the wide receivers like Robert Brooks truly popularized it), and was a somewhat vocal player. By comparison, Woodson has two more Super Bowl rings, but he was generally a quieter part of the Dallas Cowboys of the 90s and didn't draw the attention of the Triplets on offense, Jerry Jones and his coaches, or even other defenders like crazy Charles Haley. That said, every account I've ever heard has him as an outstanding player on the Cowboys for a decade, even as the team declined in the late 90s and early 00s. He's made it to various levels of finalist over the last decade, and I think the general reevaluation of the safety position helps his case, but I'm just not sure when he could make it in, as there are a lot of other deserving guys. Another that probably keeps getting this far but not all the way unless the class size expands, or until he hits the Senior eligibility. What I'd Like to See: Dwight Freeney Antonio Gates Devin Hester Torry Holt Reggie Wayne What I Think We'll Get: Jared Allen Antonio Gates Torrey Holt Julius Peppers Patrick Willis This is another very interesting class, with one very obvious lock, one near lock, and then a lot of good options here. BlindSite posted:Dumb question but, has it always been only 5 inductees per year? Reason I ask is that the league has obviously expanded by what - 8 teams since the 60s? Shouldn't there be an increase with the number of teams in the era to the number of inductees? a neat cape posted:From the HOF website: Yeah, the way it's broken down is 5 modern era candidates, and then up to 3 total Senior and Coach/Contributor per year. The Senior nominee category was added in the early 70s for players who've been retired for at least 25 years, but weren't always included every year and for a while it was often just one per class. The Coach/Contributor category was split off from the normal modern era candidates not all that long ago, I think in the last decade or so. Black Sunshine posted:He should be in purely because of fighting Cortland Finnegan. When he eventually gets in, that has to be included as part of his highlight reel, just like they show the old footage of poo poo like the Raiders and Chiefs fighting in the AFL days. It's a loving classic moment. fartknocker fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jan 1, 2024 |
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I still think Jim Marshall should be in.
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Pfft Old boy ran the wrong way!
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BlindSite posted:Dumb question but, has it always been only 5 inductees per year? Reason I ask is that the league has obviously expanded by what - 8 teams since the 60s? Shouldn't there be an increase with the number of teams in the era to the number of inductees? 8? More like 18. The Pro Football Hall of Fame opened in 1963 and at that time, the NFL was 14 teams. Yes, at the same time the AFL was about to start its 4th season, but it was still viewed as the lesser league by a number of people (Including a lot of the sportswriters who made up the voters), and the war between the two hadn't yet reached its peak that would lead to them agreeing to the merger in 1966. For what it's worth, I'm generally a "big hall" guy, so I'm all in favor of adding more. Going up to 6 or 8 modern era candidates a year, leaving the Seniors and Coach/Contributors as separate pools, maybe for a max of 10 every year, seems like a solid ground to me. Darth Brooks posted:I still think Jim Marshall should be in. His wrong way run was probably the most iconic folly in NFL history prior to the Butt Fumble. His iron man streak remains insane, but the lack of accolades (Only 2 Pro-Bowls and a second team All-Pro) hurt him, as did playing before sacks were tracked. His unofficial total is 130.5, which would put him 22nd all time if you include the other unofficial numbers, with HoF teammates Alan Page and Carl Eller both ahead of him, so make of that what you will. He only made it as a normal Finalist once back in 2004, and has been a Senior Semifinalist the a few times in recent years, so maybe he'll make it that route, but even the Senior category is developing a major backlog of guys from the 70s and 80s. You can view the 12 semifinalists they had this year here, where Marshall didn't make that cut, and guys like Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, Sterling Sharpe, and Otis Taylor have very strong cases (I'm big on Anderson and Craig myself). I'd be fine with Marshall going in, but simply there's just so many guys with stronger cases.
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I'm not sure why Mike Shanahan doesn't get more traction for the Hall. He has the rings and an obvious influence case, like half the league is running his offense right now. Do the voting members still hate his guts?
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Benne posted:I'm not sure why Mike Shanahan doesn't get more traction for the Hall. He has the rings and an obvious influence case, like half the league is running his offense right now. Do the voting members still hate his guts? He openly ran the most hosed up offensive line blocking scheme that pretty much intentionally injured opponents so I hope he never gets in, gently caress him
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My picks would be: Jared Allen Devin Hester Andre Johnson Julius Peppers Antonio Gates I think the 5 will be: Julius Peppers Antonio Gates Torry Holt Darren Woodson Jahri Evans
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Devin Hester changed the game and on that alone he should be in the hall. A special pool for players who get their own rules. And then Hester should get in again for his play
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Jan 8, 2024 21:26
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The idea that you could be the best at a position and not get into the Hall of Fame invalidates the entire enterprise.
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Jan 8, 2024 21:35
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There are punters and kickers in the hall.
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Jan 10, 2024 05:38
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3 total kickers/punters isn't exactly representative of those positions throughout the history of the league. Blanda and Groza don't really count since they were known for playing other positions as well.
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You had dumb assholes saying Morten Andersen didn't belong. That's everything you need to know about people saying that Devin Hester doesn't belong in. Also, Jahri Evans definitely belongs, not for his accolades, which are certainly worthy, but for how many times his name wasn't said. When you're on the o-line, you kind of want to be anonymous, because then you're not giving up sacks, you're not letting your running game get stuffed, and you're not generating drive killing penalties. So yeah, most o-line guys are going to be unknown outside of their home markets because they're not going to show up on fantasy rosters or get their names called out on the highlight roundups, even if they were the best at their trade. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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For some reason seeing twitter buzz that Devin Hester is going to be elected. Which, fine, good for him, not against his induction, but I'm gonna be so annoyed when Torry Holt *doesn't* make it, because, sorry, Hester was objectively less valuable! It's the same issue baseball has with relief pitchers and Hall of Fame voting.
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Criminal Minded posted:For some reason seeing twitter buzz that Devin Hester is going to be elected. Which, fine, good for him, not against his induction, but I'm gonna be so annoyed when Torry Holt *doesn't* make it, because, sorry, Hester was objectively less valuable! It's the same issue baseball has with relief pitchers and Hall of Fame voting. Nah, of all the names I've heard this year so far Hester is the most valuable.
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Uh…. Wtf
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No Butt Stuff posted:Uh…. Wtf Yeah that’s a big surprise
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He was like the defining TE of the era, wtf
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a neat cape posted:https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1755765905823330514?t=4F0JrjqTgZ8AJob_8Y0SeQ&s=19 they looked into it and it turns out he's a basketball player
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Way to go Tom Grossi!
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a neat cape posted:https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1755765905823330514?t=4F0JrjqTgZ8AJob_8Y0SeQ&s=19 The Coryell election came at an ironic price.
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Anyone want to explain to me why Andre Johnson got in seemingly so easily? I'm surprised by that. Is it that he had bad QBs compared to Wayne and Holt?
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Ray Lewis please shut the gently caress up forever
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trevorreznik posted:Anyone want to explain to me why Andre Johnson got in seemingly so easily? I'm surprised by that. Is it that he had bad QBs compared to Wayne and Holt? It's that he was much better than Wayne and insanely better than Holt.
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https://twitter.com/chargers/status/1755791187200593989 lol
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