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Black Sunshine posted:Dante Hall can't sniff Hester's jockstrap.  If we're not going off more stats gained in two less years they were two distinct different styles in returns. Hester was run fast and scamper with one cut. Dante was put you in a blender. It's like comparing CJ2k to Barry Sanders. They were both very good returners. Dante Hall made people recognize special teams first. He was more iconic for the game. Hester came on in the mid 2000's when most of this board were in their teenage to 20's so he's remember fondly. He wasn't very effective outside of two years and it wasn't just because people were avoiding kicking to him, another thing that happened to a lot of returners throughout NFL history. Neither probably deserve to be in the Hall of Fame over many other players who are waiting.
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Feb 10, 2024 00:44
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it's the same exact people having the same argument that you had in the december n/v thread. no different points
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Feb 10, 2024 01:17
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Doltos posted:in the mid 2000's when special teams were still made up of reject LBs I believe special teams are better now than back them, but aren't they made up of reject LBs anymore? Genuine question, because at least the Ravens still love their Kristian Welches and Del'Shawn Phillipses and Jeremiah Moons and Josh Rosses of the world
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Feb 10, 2024 01:20
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You know there are some very good arguments here but at the end of the day a majority of voters decided Devin Hester is a hall of famer. And given this forum can't shut the gently caress up about him I'd say he's famous and noteworthy enough to deserve it.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:27
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OneMoreTime posted:You know there are some very good arguments here but at the end of the day a majority of voters decided Devin Hester is a hall of famer. Anyone who says the Hall of Fame is about fame is taking it too literally. It used to be more stringent in who they let in as evident of the sheer amount of guys who are way better than Hester still sitting around. The voters are a bunch of media personalities like Peter King, Sal Paolantonio, Bill Polian, Lisa Salters, IE morons. The man who runs JoeBucsFan.com is a voter. Tony Dungy is a voter. Half the voters work for defunct magazines, radio shows, and random rear end fan websites like the33rdteam. They're not as hollowed as you think they are. Mystic Stylez posted:I believe special teams are better now than back them, but aren't they made up of reject LBs anymore? Genuine question, because at least the Ravens still love their Kristian Welches and Del'Shawn Phillipses and Jeremiah Moons and Josh Rosses of the world It's more that the quality of play across the NFL has gone up huge in the last 20 years and there's a wide mix of WRs, DBs, LBs, and RBs running around actually playing good special teams work which is why return TDs have gone way down, in addition to the rule changes.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:37
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Doltos posted:Anyone who says the Hall of Fame is about fame is taking it too literally. It used to be more stringent in who they let in as evident of the sheer amount of guys who are way better than Hester still sitting around. Doesn't matter. Devin Hester is in the hall of fame.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:51
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Doltos not making a good case for himself in the Hall of Fame Arguments Hall of Fame.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:56
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Rodger needs to do a hostile takeover of the HoF and drop some of these jabroni voters. Mike Florio should not be a voter.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:00
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Doltos posted:
Now do yards per return. Hester is head and shoulders above everyone.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:02
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No Butt Stuff posted:Mike Florio should not be
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Feb 10, 2024 02:06
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Mr. Nice! posted:Now do yards per return. Hester is head and shoulders above everyone. Put Jamaal Charles in the hall.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:14
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Mr. Nice! posted:Now do yards per return. Hester is head and shoulders above everyone. Agreed. If it came down to Hester vs Gates, Gates should have gotten the nod.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:22
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Mr. Nice! posted:Now do yards per return. Hester is head and shoulders above everyone. Hesters 11.7 to Halls 10.4? Or are you talking kick return average of Hester's 24.9 to Hall's 23.8? That 1 yard sure does matter a lot it seems.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:38
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Doltos posted:
In this scenario Hall is CJ since he was really good for awhile and Hester is Barry since he's the best to ever play the position, yeah sure I'll go with that. In addition to the return averages, you fail to account for return touchdowns and the fact that teams were so terrified of kicking to Hester that they routinely gave up valuable field position to keep the ball out of his hands. This would also give him less pure numbers due to the lack of touches. Your counting stat chart is also dumb because it would mean that they let the 8th best returner in the Hall of Fame before the other 7 guys who were surely better...
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Feb 10, 2024 02:42
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Again. AGAIN EVERY ELITE RETURNER HAS BEEN KICKED AWAY FROM. THEY KICKED AWAY FROM JOSH CRIBBS. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Feb 10, 2024 02:45
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Doltos posted:Again. AGAIN They probably shouldn't have. I've heard that kick returners don't really have a big impact on the game. 
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Feb 10, 2024 02:46
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Nobody should be this malding about Devin Hester, NFL Hall of Famer. Anyway, kick returners aren't the best. It's a team sport!
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Feb 10, 2024 02:48
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Doltos posted:Again. AGAIN Then they clearly need to put that man in the Hall of Fame since he has more return yards than Hester who is in the Hall of Fame.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:49
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This level of anger over Devin Hester lol just imagine the seething level of fury from stat heads when Eli makes it
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Feb 10, 2024 02:51
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Febreeze posted:This level of anger over Devin Hester lol just imagine the seething level of fury from stat heads when Eli makes it Eli is much easier to justify
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Feb 10, 2024 02:52
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The anger is towards people who don't watch football, not Hester. He was a great returner. There are other great returners not in the hall. Stats and eye test both prove that. You're loving joking me if you think he deserves to be in the hall over Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeney, Roger Craig, Steve Smith Jr., Torry Holt, Hines Ward, Jahri Evans, Eric Allen, James Harrison, Vince Wilfork, or John Abraham.
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Feb 10, 2024 02:56
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None of those people are the best to ever play their position. Frank Gore shouldn't really get in either aside from being a medical miracle. Count more stats and get mad, nerd
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Feb 10, 2024 02:59
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I'm not sure you've ever watched another returner than Hester. I don't even need to count stats to know that he was just a one cut speed freak that couldn't hack it as a WR.
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Feb 10, 2024 03:00
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 drat Hester got the bears an extra 3 yards of average punt distance in his entire career. What a game changer. Truly striking fear in the hearts of teams across the NFL.
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Feb 10, 2024 03:04
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So now we're holding it against players who can't play other positions very well? Every corner is just a wide receiver that can't catch. Deion Sanders was a hack folks!
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Feb 10, 2024 03:08
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Cavauro posted:it's the same exact people having the same argument that you had in the december n/v thread. no different points except now doltos gets to seethe extra hard because all of us who said that hester owns were proven right, once again. can't wait to see his meltdown once frank gore rightfully gets in
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Feb 10, 2024 03:09
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Disliked DeSean Jackson more then Hester as an opponent, ngl
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Feb 10, 2024 03:09
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Black Sunshine posted:Then they clearly need to put that man in the Hall of Fame since he has more return yards than Hester who is in the Hall of Fame. now mohammad massequoi, there's a wideout you can set your watch to
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Feb 10, 2024 03:09
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Black Sunshine posted:So now we're holding it against players who can't play other positions very well? I don't think Deion Sanders is the example you want to use for someone who can't catch a football but I don't really expect a lot out of you.
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Feb 10, 2024 03:10
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Borsche69 posted:except now doltos gets to seethe extra hard because all of us who said that hester owns were proven right, once again. can't wait to see his meltdown once frank gore rightfully gets in I feel like since this board is mostly mock drafts and twitter feeds there's been an overall dumbing down of football intelligence reflected by peoples opinions aligning with Peter King
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Feb 10, 2024 03:11
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Doltos posted:Hesters 11.7 to Halls 10.4? Or are you talking kick return average of Hester's 24.9 to Hall's 23.8? That 1 yard sure does matter a lot it seems. well yeah it does unless you're gonna argue that Leonard Fournette is just as good as Barry Sanders
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Feb 10, 2024 03:16
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Strong "It's not me, it's the kids who are wrong" vibes in here
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Feb 10, 2024 03:19
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Doltos posted:I feel like since this board is mostly mock drafts and twitter feeds there's been an overall dumbing down of football intelligence reflected by peoples opinions aligning with Peter King i dont think this place was ever a bastion of high IQ, and twitter feed poo poo is like 10 years old at this point. hof, to me, is not something to take super seriously. its like some comic book canon poo poo where you ignore the poo poo you dont like, and then go 'hell yeah' at the poo poo you do. its very empirically stats + 'vibes based' meaning that its not really worth getting worked up over. i think hester belongs in the hall because hes cool and made cool plays and dragged a really ugly bears team to a superbowl loss. put josh cribbs and dante hall in there as well if that makes you feel better, they probably both deserve it.
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Feb 10, 2024 03:20
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yanda should be first ballot hof btw
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Borsche69 posted:i dont think this place was ever a bastion of high IQ, and twitter feed poo poo is like 10 years old at this point. hof, to me, is not something to take super seriously. its like some comic book canon poo poo where you ignore the poo poo you dont like, and then go 'hell yeah' at the poo poo you do. its very empirically stats + 'vibes based' meaning that its not really worth getting worked up over. i think hester belongs in the hall because hes cool and made cool plays and dragged a really ugly bears team to a superbowl loss. put josh cribbs and dante hall in there as well if that makes you feel better, they probably both deserve it. I can respect this take
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Feb 10, 2024 03:21
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Acebuckeye13 posted:well yeah it does unless you're gonna argue that Leonard Fournette is just as good as Barry Sanders The only reason we place Barry above Fournette is because Barry was around during our formative years!
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Feb 10, 2024 03:21
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Acebuckeye13 posted:well yeah it does unless you're gonna argue that Leonard Fournette is just as good as Barry Sanders You do realize there's a huge difference in magnitude between RBs and returners right or..
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Doltos posted:You do realize there's a huge difference in magnitude between RBs and returners right or.. Would you say the difference is about a yard?
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Borsche69 posted:yanda should be first ballot hof btw I wouldn't argue but IOL usually have to wait a couple years to get in it seems for whatever reason.
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