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Going all Nate Silver On Meth about Hall of Famers because the bad kick return man who beat me up in middle school got in.
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There's no sanctity to the Hall of Fame, it's a goddamn joke as evidenced by the greatest TE of his generation not being a first ballot selection this year. Let everyone in, gently caress it
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Feb 10, 2024 03:31
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Black Sunshine posted:Would you say the difference is about a yard? Hester returned the football 610 times in his career which is about two seasons of RB work if they aren't receiving backs so I'd say the difference is much bigger
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Feb 10, 2024 03:32
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"ALL KICKERS AVOID THE RETURN MAN" I shriek at the top of my lungs as I compile more logarithmic analyses to prove exactly how much Devin Hester, my mortal enemy, smells like poo poo.
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Feb 10, 2024 03:33
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Show me on the doll where Hester touched you
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Feb 10, 2024 03:37
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Black Sunshine posted:Show me on the doll where Hester touched you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f_Q2LdP-Xw
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Feb 10, 2024 03:41
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wandler20 posted:I wouldn't argue but IOL usually have to wait a couple years to get in it seems for whatever reason. its hosed. i was glad faneca got in just because it vacates space at guard. I think Willie Anderson is the only OL otherwise at this point
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Feb 10, 2024 03:41
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what's cool about yanda is that he couldve arguably been one of the best RTs of his generation anyway and he was only swung out there for a season or two out of desperation. he was insane. superbowl ring + on the oline that broke the single season team rushing record that had stood since the 80s should be more than enough for whatever casual voter is out there
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Feb 10, 2024 03:43
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Feb 10, 2024 04:00
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Gonna spend the rest of my life creating an entirely new branch of pure mathematics so powerful it will literally erase Devin Hester from spacetime, thus bringing balance to Canton.
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Feb 10, 2024 04:01
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Starting to think I'm not the one who hinges his mental health on Hester being in the HoF
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Feb 10, 2024 04:06
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Doltos posted:Starting to think I'm not the one who hinges his mental health on Hester being in the HoF my happiness always hinges on poo poo thats out of my control. its what makes me normal and well adjusted.
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Feb 10, 2024 04:14
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Borsche69 posted:its hosed. i was glad faneca got in just because it vacates space at guard. I think Willie Anderson is the only OL otherwise at this point Yanda probably won't be but Suggs sure as hell should be. I'm just gonna say Should from now on forever because I thought Gates was a 100% lock and now I'm just a dipshit I guess
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Feb 10, 2024 04:19
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OL in general doesn't get the greatest attention on the first ballot. Yanda, Jahri Evans, and Brandon Brooks were probably the best of this era but they'll prob get snubbed for a bit.
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Feb 10, 2024 04:27
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a neat cape posted:Yanda probably won't be but Suggs sure as hell should be. I get that. Its apples and oranges but Yanda dominated at guard in a way that Suggs never did at DE/OLB, but otoh you're right since Suggs gets the DROY, DPOY, 2 rings vs 'its a guard with a superbowl'. I think Suggs is more likely to get in earlier but Yanda feels way more deserving or like world class at his position. Gates is a weird one cause I felt like there were at least two (non-hester!) dudes that couldve sat on the outside for a year or so while Gates got in. I think Willis was one of them? Probably one of the most insane linebackers I've ever seen, but basically only played for 5 years in a 7 year career. Not an argument to keep Willis out, probably more an argument against the weird limitations on how many can get into the HoF in a single year
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Feb 10, 2024 04:32
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a neat cape posted:Yanda probably won't be but Suggs sure as hell should be. No, Gates not getting in is the dumbest thing to happen with this class. He was robbed.
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Feb 10, 2024 04:49
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ur focused on the wrong chicago bear, the guy who actually turned it into the hall of mediocre was brian urlacher
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Feb 10, 2024 04:50
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I support Doltos' fight in principle but I've said and I'll repeat that I'd give Hester the nod, ultimately. I get the case, I just want him in line behind this or that other guy which, again, goes back to the limit
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Feb 10, 2024 04:57
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Ghost Dog posted:ur focused on the wrong chicago bear, the guy who actually turned it into the hall of mediocre was brian urlacher Urlacher is a Hall of Fame Hair Restoration Billboard
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Feb 10, 2024 04:59
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Doltos posted:Starting to think I'm not the one who hinges his mental health on Hester being in the HoF It's two days to the Super Bowl and there's really nothing else to discuss. So yeah, I'm going a bit stir crazy.
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Feb 10, 2024 06:07
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Calling Hester one cut gives away the troll
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Just make a special teams wing and put one guy in a year. Returner, punter, kicker. Dudes that deserve it get in. Don't have to listen to bitching about a specialist over others.
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Feb 10, 2024 07:55
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It’s weird how mad you guys are over Daltos fairly reasonable comments.
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Pron on VHS posted:It’s weird how mad you guys are over Daltos fairly reasonable comments. Doltos posted:Again. AGAIN
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Feb 10, 2024 15:29
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To be fair, that’s the 30th time he’s reiterated that point.
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Feb 10, 2024 15:42
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Doltos posted:
And cutting the stats to pre and post kickoff rule change
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Doltos posted:OL in general doesn't get the greatest attention on the first ballot. Yanda, Jahri Evans, and Brandon Brooks were probably the best of this era but they'll prob get snubbed for a bit. Actually a team has five linemen and each one of them aspires to be a tight end so much they report as one a few times a game. Therefore, like how returners are just bad receivers no o lineman can ever be eligible for the hall
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Feb 10, 2024 16:28
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Is the Hall of Fame Hall of Fameworthy?
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Suggs should be a slam dunk first-ballot, he's top 10 all time in sacks, first in TFLs, was very consistently among the best OLBs for a long time, has all the accolades (DROY, DPOY, all-pros, pro bowls, ringz), but as Ross has said, after Gates I guess you can't be sure of anything anymore
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Feb 10, 2024 16:54
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"Teams kicked out of bounds sometimes" a Hall of Fame argument invented wholesale for Devin Hester lol
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I went and dug up my old hester post. I went and got all of the pfr data on returns for each category. I use these as my counting stats and rank all of the players on the list with the highest person getting the most points and the lowest getting 1. I also do their per return stats and rank them the same way. I then sum up their points from each category. Brian Mitchell barely outpaces Hester in the counting stats as he's the frank gore of returns. He is not even top 10 for per return stats. Per Return Stats: pre:Player per return rank Devin Hester 494 Jamal Agnew 470.5 Jakeem Grant 462 Leodis McKelvin 453 Billy Johnson 451 Josh Cribbs 439.5 Dante Hall 436 Deion Sanders+ 420 Tamarick Vanover 418 Jacoby Jones 416 pre:Player counting stats rank Brian Mitchell 792 Devin Hester 773 Allen Rossum 736.5 Darren Sproles 729 Eric Metcalf 729 Dante Hall 728 Mel Gray 715 Ted Ginn Jr. 701.5 Josh Cribbs 700.5 Dave Meggett 689.5 pre:Player Overall Total Devin Hester 1267 Dante Hall 1164 Brian Mitchell 1151 Josh Cribbs 1140 Mel Gray 1115.5 Darren Sproles 1091 Jacoby Jones 1081.5 Tamarick Vanover 1057 Allen Rossum 1048.5 Eric Metcalf 1039
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ur made up stat shows hester neck and neck with a bunch of contemporaries, just cause he ends up at the top of a list doesnt mean he was some fantastic player who was insanely better than his peers. the degree of seperation here matters a lot, and he has almost none even in a stat fabricated to make him look good
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sproles was a good running back for a bunch of years, much better as a skill player than hester ever was. since hes apparently 86% as good as The Best Returner Ever!!!! and an actual positive contributor on offense he also is a slam dunk hall of famer. same argument for jacoby jones too lol
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Mystic Stylez posted:Suggs should be a slam dunk first-ballot, he's top 10 all time in sacks, first in TFLs, was very consistently among the best OLBs for a long time, has all the accolades (DROY, DPOY, all-pros, pro bowls, ringz), but as Ross has said, after Gates I guess you can't be sure of anything anymore Suggs is Jason Taylor with post season success
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suggs or yanda whichever gets in first will be the first ravens draftee inducted to the hall of fame who doesnt have an argument they are the best ever at their position. end of an era
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Ghost Dog posted:suggs or yanda whichever gets in first will be the first ravens draftee inducted to the hall of fame who doesnt have an argument they are the best ever at their position. end of an era Yanda is absolutely the best RG in the history of the sport. Get your head checked
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i dont recognize the difference between right and left guards. they are the same
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To be very clear I like Hester and I'm more mad at the DeSean Jackson return than the FG return ever could make me.
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I'm very glad Devin Hester is in the hall of fame but, even as a Bears fan, I can acknowledge how silly it is that he went in before Antonio Gates.
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Doltos posted:To be very clear I like Hester and I'm more mad at the DeSean Jackson return than the FG return ever could make me. DeSean Jackson made the cowboys look silly a bunch, and likewise draws my ire. He also fumbled at the 1 yard line more than once celebrating too early which is hilarious.
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