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Benne
Sep 2, 2011

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It's that time of year to determine the new HOF inductees, and this year's ballot is more stacked than ever.

We're starting to see the real drawbacks of the committee's 5-player limit, because there are a ton of worthy candidates on this ballot, and many more still stuck in the semifinalist stage. At some point they gotta poo poo or get off the pot with guys who've been waiting for a while, but we also have a couple of obvious first-ballot candidates who might make people wait even longer.

Either way, it's only five people, so when making your predictions, you gotta think long and hard about who you will keep out. I don't envy the committee at all this year.

First, here are the Senior and Contributor/Coach finalists, who are all but guaranteed to get in:

Senior Finalists

Randy Gradishar, LB: Denver Broncos 1974-83. 1978 DPOY, two All-Pros, seven Pro Bowls

Steve McMichael, DT: New England Patriots 1980, Chicago Bears 1981-93, Green Bay Packers 1994. Two All-Pros, two Pro Bowls, memorable run in WCW as a commentator and part-time wrestler.

Art Powell, DE: Philadelphia Eagles 1959, New York Titans 1960-62, Oakland Raiders 1963-66, Buffalo Bills 1967, Minnesota Vikings 1968. Two All-Pros, four Pro Bowls, AFL All-1960s Team.

Coaches/Contributors

Buddy Parker: Two-time NFL Champion with the Lions in the 50s

Modern Candidates

CB Eric Allen: Philadelphia Eagles 1988-94, New Orleans Saints 1995-97, Oakland Raiders 1998-2001. One All-Pro, six Pro Bowls.

DE Jared Allen: Kansas City Chiefs 2004-07, Minnesota Vikings 2008-13, Chicago Bears 2014-15, Carolina Panthers 2015. Four All-Pros, five Pro Bowls, 12th all-time in sacks (136).

OT Willie Anderson: Cincinnati Bengals 1996-2007, Baltimore Ravens 2008. Three All-Pros, four Pro Bowls.

G Jahri Evans: New Orleans Saints 2006-16, Green Bay Packers 2017. Four All-Pros, Six Pro Bowls, All-2010s Team.

DE Dwight Freeney: Indianapolis Colts 2002-12, San Diego Chargers 2013-14, Arizona Cardinals 2015, Atlanta Falcons 2016, Detroit Lions 2017, Seattle Seahawks 2017. Three All-Pros, Seven Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, 18th all-time in sacks (125.5).

TE Antonio Gates: San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers 2003-18. Three All-Pros, eight Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, 7th all-time in receiving touchdowns (116)

DB Rodney Harrison: San Diego Chargers 1994-2002, New England Patriots 2003-08. Two All-Pros, two Pro Bowls

PR/KR Devin Hester: Chicago Bears 2006-13, Atlanta Falcons 2014-15, Baltimore Ravens 2016, Seattle Seahawks 2016. Three All-Pros, four Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, All-2010s Team, 1st all-time in punt return TDs, 9th all-time in kick return TDs.

WR Torry Holt: St. Louis Rams 1999-2008, Jacksonville Jaguars 2009. One All-Pro, seven Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, led league in receiving yards in 2000 and 2003.

WR Andre Johnson: Houston Texans 2003-14, Indianapolis Colts 2015, Tennessee Titans 2016. Two All-Pros, seven Pro Bowls, 11th all-time in receptions, 11th all-time in receiving yards, led the league in both categories twice.

DE Julius Peppers: Carolina Panthers 2002-09, 2017-18; Chicago Bears 2010-13, Green Bay Packers 2014-16. Three All-Pros, nine Pro Bowls, All-2000s Team, All-2010s Team, 2002 DROY, fourth all-time in sacks.

RB Fred Taylor: Jacksonville Jaguars 1998-2008, New England Patriots 2009-10. One Pro Bowl. 17th all-time in rushing yards.

WR Reggie Wayne: Indianapolis Colts 2001-14. One All-Pro, six Pro Bowls, 10th all-time in receptions, 10th all-time in receiving yards, led league in receiving yards (2007).

LB Patrick Willis: San Francisco 49ers 2007-14. Five All-Pros, seven Pro Bowls, All-2010s Team, 2007 DROY.

S Darren Woodson: Dallas Cowboys 1992-2003. Three All-Pros, five Pro Bowls.

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The 2024 Class will be revealed on February 10 at the NFL Honors show.

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Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
I'm not sure why Mike Shanahan doesn't get more traction for the Hall. He has the rings and an obvious influence case, like half the league is running his offense right now. Do the voting members still hate his guts?

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1755792110652207461

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
Do you guys even know how the football HOF works

Mongo was a Senior inductee, not on the modern ballot. Nobody voted him over Gates or anybody else.

Also the voters don't really give a poo poo about "first ballot," that's a baseball thing. Which is why I'm very confident Eli won't get in right away.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

Mr. Nice! posted:

The most important stat for a QB is ringz and he’s got two.

Tell that to Phil Simms and Charlie Conerly (also famous New York quarterbacks who won titles, and neither of them got close to the Hall).

I don't think Eli is the lock y'all assume he is.

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Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

mcmagic posted:

He's a lock. New York, The Giants are a white hat franchise, 2 Super Bowls, he's a well liked media friendly guy who is VERY visible, "Manning".

This is kinda my point though? There are other famous, title-winning, media-friendly New York quarterbacks. Charlie Conerly married a sportswriter, Phil Simms has been on CBS for decades. Among the league's biggest stars of their eras. None of them are close to getting in, and I don't see how Eli is any more special.

I want to see someone make an argument for Eli that doesn't assume the voters are stupid dumb-dumbs who get distracted by shiny things (and doesn't reflect their actual voting history). Because this whole "debate" feels very strawman-y right now.

Benne fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Feb 9, 2024

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