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Benne posted:This is kinda my point though? There are other famous, title-winning, media-friendly New York quarterbacks. Charlie Conerly married a sportswriter, Phil Simms has been on CBS for decades. Among the league's biggest stars of their eras. None of them are close to getting in, and I don't see how Eli is any more special. OK, here is my good faith attempt to make a case for Eli Manning. 1) RINGZ. Just getting it out of the way, it shouldn't be (and occasionally isn't, e.g. Plunkett) enough, but for QBs it is weighted super heavily for sure, and he as 2. 2) Longevity/counting stats. Again, big accumulated numbers aren't everything, but they clearly do help. He's top 10 all-time in completions/attempts/yards/TDs. 3) Awards. He's meh here overall with 4x Pro Bowls 1x Walter Payton Man of the Year, but the 2x Super Bowl MVP do bump it up a notch. Since he's going to be carried a lot by his rings, the fact that he was MVP in both games and not just A Guy boosts that further. 4) The big argument against his rings is "the defense carried those teams lol". But not only was he MVP in both Super Bowls, in the two Super Bowl runs he combined for 15 touchdowns to only 2 picks. He actually was EXTREMELY instrumental in those playoff runs. 5) Narrative. Both his SB wins were against the greatest dynasty in NFL history in tight games where he made big plays. He gave the Pats 2 out of their 3 Super Bowl losses in the Brady era, including stopping the 16-0 regular season team from getting a ring. There's no arguing that on paper he's a weak-ish candidate. Pro Football Reference has an index based on how much like prior HOFers a player is, and Eli scores pretty meh there, but also worse-scoring guys have gotten in so he's not WILDLY off based on  the metrics either.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:While I appreciate the effort post, this Yeah, people can sneer at the ~narrative~ but like, you just can't tell the story of that Patriots rampage era that basically lasted a generation without the guy who was instrumental in denying them 2 rings and stopping 19-0. All the other stuff basically just makes it easier for the HOF voters to mash the buttan sooner to let him in.
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