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Reading the latest reviews on Sandifer's site and this realization hit me:Narsham on https://www.eruditorumpress.com posted:After a very long think, I believe I’ve found a potential approach to the Chibnall years. To expand a bit: Chibnall's first season consumes the stories of the Doctor's companions. Season 2 consumes the Time Lords, the Master, and of course, the Doctor herself, by adding to the Doctors we know about a potentially infinite number of past Doctors, none of whose stories appear to be worth a drat. (We still don't even know if the Fugitive Doctor is really a past Doctor or not, and Chibnall theoretically brought her back!) And the Flux is a story about the entire universe being consumed, that somehow manages to "finish" telling its story without making clear if any of the universe that got consumed is subsequently unconsumed or not. It literally tells a story where the big thing that is happening doesn't matter. It's like if Davies never had the scenes of towing Earth back into place at the end of The Stolen Earth. But then, consider what the first three Davies stories do: 1. The Star Beast restores Donna Noble's memories and brings back the Doctor-Donna. 2. Wild Blue Yonder sees the Doctor and Donna confront malevolent simulacra of themselves which could almost be mistaken for the real thing. They manage to banish them, but Doctor Who the show will be changed as a result. (It's fair to read the simulacra as versions of the Chibnall years show.) 3. The Giggle retells the history of the show within a radically different context, integrating past and present and future. It also overwrites the "black hole of story" that is The Timeless Child (millions of potential lives, no stories to tell) with bigeneration (lots of room for new stories for every Doctor), rewrites the cringeworthy Celestial Toymaker, and creates a chance to start again. And of course, The Church on Ruby Road is all about preventing a group of piratical grotesque creatures who may or may not represent BBC executives and members of the government from stealing away the show's future and consuming it.
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Just one thing, Wild Blue Yonder pretty emphatically underlines the destruction of half the universe. After all, the setting of the story is inside the vast void created by that event.
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Khanstant posted:Yeah it should really be a "I'll try but sometimes we run into the end of all time or a monster that eats only time travel companions and poo poo happens, but it's still safer than driving in a highway so be prepared. Look, if the Doctor ever learned his lesson, this would be a very different show.
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Mar 26, 2024 01:26
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Good point. In that case have the toy maker show up afterwards to do a play to onboard the friends and family of companions.
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Narsham posted:3. The Giggle retells the history of the show within a radically different context, integrating past and present and future. It also overwrites the "black hole of story" that is The Timeless Child (millions of potential lives, no stories to tell) with bigeneration (lots of room for new stories for every Doctor), rewrites the cringeworthy Celestial Toymaker, and creates a chance to start again. The Toymaker is Chibnall: the man who turned the Doctor's past into a jigsaw puzzle for no goddamn reason other than to play an empty little game with it. His poisoning of television required sacrifices to overcome, and for a while the show is going to be a bit off-kilter with the rules of the universe in flux before things stabilise again. But he has himself been neutralised, contained, and buried in salt.
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Mar 26, 2024 02:52
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https://i.imgur.com/nclskGX.mp4
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Mar 27, 2024 13:29
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The new owner, Mr Tase, would love to you to try them out!
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Edward Mass posted:That’s probably for the best, lest we get a Willy’s Chocolate Experience case on the BBC’s hands. The Unknown is basically a AI Generated c-grade Doctor Who monster, so sure.
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A.o.D. posted:Just one thing, Wild Blue Yonder pretty emphatically underlines the destruction of half the universe. After all, the setting of the story is inside the vast void created by that event. My thesis is that Chibnall’s the showrunner whose tenure sees the show consume itself. Davies brings it back from the brink. Warthur posted:Oh, we can go further than that. Nah, the Toymaker is too entertaining to be Chibnall. I admit it will be interesting to see if he writes an episode for Davies at some point.
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Mar 27, 2024 16:53
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drat, 19 years ago yesterday, ‘Rose’ was first broadcast.
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Mar 27, 2024 18:37
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Next year they can do The Seven Doctors and have an Eccleston waxwork!
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Mar 27, 2024 18:38
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That's just Eccelston in Thor 2
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Of worth: Russell T Davies says end of BBC is ‘undoubtedly on its way’ Doctor Who showrunner is trying to ensure that the fantasy drama outlasts the broadcaster https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.amp...edly-on-its-way According to the head of one of the BBC’s most successful franchises, the broadcaster’s end is inevitable. Speaking on television podcast They Like to Watch, Doctor Who showrunner Russell T Davies explains that there is a good reason for the fantasy drama being co-produced with Disney: it means that its survival doesn’t require the continued existence of the BBC. “You’ve got to look in the long term at the end of the BBC, which is undoubtedly on its way in some shape or form,” says Davies. “Is Doctor Who going to die then? No! You’ve got to prepare for that kind of stuff.” The lack of lavish BBC budgets is another reason that Davies claims Doctor Who’s future requires Disney’s involvement – particularly in a world where high-budget productions are increasingly the norm, as Doctor Who needs “to be up there with the big hitters”. “If Disney collapsed tomorrow and we had to go back to making Doctor Who on a normal BBC budget, you know what? We’d all rally round and make it and suddenly the stories would become claustrophobic ghost stories,” he says. “A lot of people would like that very much, so I’m not saying you have to have this happen. But while it’s happening elsewhere, I think it’s unfair that it doesn’t happen to Doctor Who.” Davies’ comments are part of an interview with podcasters Geoff Lloyd and Sara Barron, on topics including camera techniques, scriptwriting and the unlikeliness of Disney creating a Doctor Who Disneyland-style experience, given that a previous, Cardiff-based experience closed due to lack of profitability, costing tax payers £1.1m (“That Doctor Who experience lost a lot of money”). Davies also claims that despite the success of his Doctor Who reboot, the BBC doesn’t have him contractually tied down. “It’s kind of a rolling contract. It’s very free. Look, if I had enough tomorrow, I could walk out. Well, I wouldn’t walk out, because I wouldn’t let people down. But nothing could trap me … I would never be in a situation where I had to write things,” he says. “I’m talking as though that’s about to happen. That’s not about to happen. I love it. But … oh my God, I’d never be stuck sitting somewhere going: I must do five years here. Never. I’m too old for that now.”
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Bummed to see the BBC go, they've always had some great stuff being made and I loved that this tiny place had its own dedicated TV production apparatus - and publicly funded to boot. Really cool concept, it wasn't perfect, but it seemed like a very important media staple to stand against the abject horrible capitalization of everything else. It's important to not let everything in life be controlled by the myths of the markets but all that seems to be going away too. Never do a Brexit, I don't care how much you want your own independence day.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:11
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I''m glad RTD isn't going to let himself get JNTd by the show but good god the notion of the beeb not being around is depressing. I don't think he's wrong but ugh.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:22
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The Tories have been chipping away at the BBC for years (same with the NHS), and the former will definitely fall first. It'll probably limp on for years to come, but it's definitely going to have to become a commercially funded entity, rather than supported by the TV licence.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:28
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I'm not sure how much the demise of the BBC is directly about Brexit, though they're definitely symptoms of the same issue.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:32
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Conservative governments destroying what was bult up over generations. It's a thing. And it's happening in a lot of countries. They're chopping at the bit to destroy the CBC in Canada. They've pretty much promised it since it's one of the few independent and public funded stations that covers the news. The vast majority of other news sources are ring winged owned and it shows. The CBC refused to bend the knee and now the cons are intending to dismantle it which sadly will probably happen after the next election.
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The Last Call posted:Davies’ comments are part of an interview with podcasters Geoff Lloyd and Sara Barron, on topics including camera techniques, scriptwriting and the unlikeliness of Disney creating a Doctor Who Disneyland-style experience, given that a previous, Cardiff-based experience closed due to lack of profitability, costing tax payers £1.1m (“That Doctor Who experience lost a lot of money”). Well, they would've made their money back if they didn't let people pay for admittance using John Barrowman CDs. 
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TinTower posted:Well, they would've made their money back if they didn't let people pay for admittance using John Barrowman CDs. Once 5, 6 and 7s costumes were stolen it was the beginning of the end
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Mar 27, 2024 21:29
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Narsham posted:Nah, the Toymaker is too entertaining to be Chibnall.
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I get why, but putting the experience in Cardiff wasn’t going to get all the people, unlike London. The only reason I ever went to it was because they were doing a limited run studio/set tour at the same time.
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Mar 27, 2024 23:33
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I went because I was on Only Connect and it also films in Cardiff, and we had a free day.
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lines posted:I went because I was on Only Connect and it also films in Cardiff, and we had a free day. I suspect that half of their visitors were also Only Connect contestants. 
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Mar 28, 2024 14:33
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Random Stranger posted:I suspect that half of their visitors were also Only Connect contestants. The best bit is we funded it with the money they gave us as part of our free day allowance, which nearly perfectly covered it I think. Truly a circular budget system.
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The_Doctor posted:I get why, but putting the experience in Cardiff wasn’t going to get all the people, unlike London. The Experience wasn't helped by being kind of dark and musty feeling too. Even at the height of the show it felt kind of like someone's basement exhibition. Also, the gift shop was poo poo, but then there's a severe lack of quality Doctor Who merch in general.
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PriorMarcus posted:The Experience wasn't helped by being kind of dark and musty feeling too. Even at the height of the show it felt kind of like someone's basement exhibition. Surely they had at least a couple of Destroyed Cassandra figures?
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I think Disney could probably do a better job at creating a Doctor Who theme park experience, lol. Like a single ride in one of their existing parks with a little shop on the way out and maybe a quick-service dining experience though, not like... a new theme park. Before it got rebranded as a Lilo and Stitch show, the Extra TERRORrestrial theater was a stone's throw away from being a Doctor Who episode. I can see why they'd be reticent to do it for a lot of reasons (I don't know how long they have the rights before they have to renew, they have 100 other IPs to create rides for, their theme parks have had their own troubles lately that have made the brand suffer a little, etc.) but I don't think the Cardiff thing should even register. It seems like it was almost more of a museum and it was located in Wales, the only profitable way to get out of that would be blowing up a nuclear power plant and surfing your way out to space to sell the earth for slag.
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Bicyclops posted:I think Disney could probably do a better job at creating a Doctor Who theme park experience, lol. Like a single ride in one of their existing parks with a little shop on the way out and maybe a quick-service dining experience though, not like... a new theme park. Before it got rebranded as a Lilo and Stitch show, the Extra TERRORrestrial theater was a stone's throw away from being a Doctor Who episode. I'm not sure they even have any DW rights outside of the right to broadcast the show, so yeah I don't think they'd do it. Honestly it's weird Merlin Entertainments have never tried to get the licence to do it in the UK.
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PriorMarcus posted:Also, the gift shop was poo poo, but then there's a severe lack of quality Doctor Who merch in general. How dare you 
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The_Doctor posted:How dare you I stand corrected.
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lines posted:I went because I was on Only Connect and it also films in Cardiff, and we had a free day. how far did you get in the show?
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Apparently Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson have been watching Time and the Rani recently, for some reason.
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OldMemes posted:Apparently Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson have been watching Time and the Rani recently, for some reason. Gatwa in a bad wig….?
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Mar 29, 2024 00:50
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Is it still a bad wig if he makes it look good?
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The_Doctor posted:How dare you Does it shout "EXTERMINATE!" instead of "Cuckoo!"?
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TinTower posted:how far did you get in the show? Got to the quarter finals after two wins and a loss, we met the team we'd already lost to again and they beat us (they went on to win).
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Chibbers is adapting Agatha Christies for Netflix now. Funny how the headlines emphasise his Broadchurch connections and not his Who work.
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That's cause his Broadchurch work was good
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Infinitum posted:That's cause his Broadchurch work was good Was it though?
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