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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

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OldSenileGuy posted:

I started Reacher thanks to this thread, and while I am enjoying it, I have two observations:

1) all the comments here made it sound like this was an episodic show, when it is very much a serialized show.

2) this show is like an updated, slightly elevated/higher quality version of Walker Texas Ranger

I haven't watched it, but the comments here didn't make me think it was episodic, but that the seasons were unconnected, each based on a different book.

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Escobarbarian posted:

Only Connect is great. I watch it every time I go home to visit my mum so I’m always behind but then we binge a ton. Victoria is an amazing host and it’s fun when you actually get one right. Plus I’m really good at the missing vowels round at the end.

I love Victoria on other shows, but I have never understood what is going on with that show. They'll list out, "The burning of the Library of Alexandria" and "A bushel of apples", and someone will say, "A cloudy day in April" or something, and everyone will go, "Yup, makes sense." And I'll just be sitting there all, 'What the gently caress just happened?!" But I get that's a me problem, and I'm just not on the wavelength of the contestants, and certainly not as smart as Victoria. She's great on her appearances on QI and Would I Lie to You, though.

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zoux posted:

Streaming is dying! But so is cable!



I have no idea what the TV landscape is gonna look like in 20 years.



I know "number goes down", but...what?

edit: I THINK it says it started dying in 2018? But why? And is this streaming exclusive? (What defines "Pay TV"?)

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Mar 27, 2004

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Looten Plunder posted:

Letterboxd will be adding TV show functionality this year

I understand why some might react negatively to this, but I for one am excited.

I’d rather they add recommendations based on your ratings, but whatever.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

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feedmyleg posted:

In browser they have a sort order for lists that is "Based on Films You Like" or "Related to Films You Liked." Maybe they published a blog post on what exactly they mean, but to me they're not transparent enough to be useful.

Oh I’ll have to check this out when I’m not phone posting. Thanks!

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Gripweed posted:

taht just reminded me that the Armie Hammer Lone Ranger movie was actually pretty fun for the 20 minutes at the end it allowed itself to be a Lone Ranger movie. It was just a shame about the two hours leading up to that.

I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but this is the prime example of a movie trend lately where a whole movie feels like the first act. Like, we get to the end, and we're finally ready for the movie to begin. Except, credits. It would be like if the first Raimi Spider-Man movie ended on the montage after he made the suit.

Actually, Rebel Moon is a recent example of this, too, but at least there's a sequel coming soon, because that literally is just the first half of a movie. Not much of a defense, though.

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EricBauman posted:

Casino Royale was the only movie that did it well, with Bond "earning" the Bond theme and saying "Bond, James Bond" at the end of the movie.

This is a good point. Casino Royale is my favorite Bond movie, and it kind of pulls the same thing, but it never bothered me. I think it's because it still feels like a complete movie. We still get to see a great spy movie, and don't feel cheated. It's not all just Bond building his tropes (though there's definitely some of that happening) just to finally get to the movie we wanted at the end. We get the movie, and then the reveal that he's finally who we knew him to be in the other movies. Though to be fair, it helps that it's based on the actual first Bond movie, so it already was an origin story with a complete story.

The trope building feels more like the references in Iron Man. They're there (like the "Shaken or stirred?", "Does it look like I give a drat?" thing, or wearing the tux to play the part), but they're references instead of it being what the movie is constantly working towards. And that ending really is amazing.

poo poo, now I've gotta go watch it again.

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Khanstant posted:

I watched GoldenEye recently and I think the N64 version is the better one. Not sure I'm a completely fair judge because most of it felt like watching a weird adaption of the game levels even though it's obviously the other way round, but the movie felt kind of boring when you aren't given something to do for the cutscenes.

I played Goldeneye on the Switch recently, and that game is not as good as everyone (including me) remembers.

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Gripweed posted:

I didn’t think the Batman was bloated. I’m sure it could’ve been edited a bit tighter but it never really felt like it was dragging or meandering.

I like The Batman. A lot. But I get thinking it's bloated, mostly because of the ending. The Riddler is arrested, Batman has his final scene with him in Arkham, and the movie kind of feels done, but there's another, what, 30 minutes left? And it's mostly just Batman fighting random assholes from the internet in the stadium. It feels a bit tacked on, even if I like what they actually do there (Batman going from being Vengeance Itself to the Protector of Gotham). I think if things were rearranged a bit, it would have helped get over the feeling of, "I thought we were done?" That can leave a bad taste in your mouth when you leave the theater that taints the rest of the movie.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

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feedmyleg posted:

In browser they have a sort order for lists that is "Based on Films You Like" or "Related to Films You Liked." Maybe they published a blog post on what exactly they mean, but to me they're not transparent enough to be useful.

This is about Letterboxd. I finally remembered to check, and if this exists, I definitely can't find it.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

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Oh excellent, thanks!

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Escobarbarian posted:

Boston Legal did that once, using a movie/show with young William Shatner playing a lawyer as a flashback to young Denny Crane early in his career

Son of the Defender, great episode. Flashbacks were all in black and white, because they were from an episode of a show called Studio One called The Defender from 1957. Extremely effective, and showed how Boston Legal could be truly great when it wanted to be.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394920/?ref_=tt_trv_trv

thrawn527
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This conversation is coming at a good time for me, because I started recently watching Seinfeld for the very first time, and I'm actually enjoying it more than I thought I would. I had caught some random episodes here and there and thought it was okay, but I decided to just dive in from season 1 to give it a go. Season 1 feels strange, mainly George being way less neurotic than he later becomes (my brother said Jason Alexander started playing him more like Woody Allen before realizing he was written to be more like Larry David, so he leaned in on that), and in season 2 there's an episode (The Deal) that ends with Jerry and Elaine getting back together, and it's just forgotten immediately the next episode. But I'm into season 3 now, and I'm having a great time.

The only part I could completely cut out are the stand up bits that serve as the framing device for each episode. They're painfully unfunny, and make it seem like Jerry is a terrible comedian, despite constant cuts to the audience dying of laughter.

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IRQ posted:

Seinfeld's actual standup was never particularly amazing even back when the show was on.

I know it's been pointed out a lot, but hard agree on Jerry being the weakest actor by far on the show. Jason Alexander and JLD are the MVPs. The early show got better and better as they built up Elaine's character.

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Timby posted:

Don't worry. They start cutting down on them significantly beginning with the fourth season, and not long after that they're gone almost completely.

Oh thank you.

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Escobarbarian posted:

I honestly think Seinfeld is as close as a sitcom can come to evergreen. So much of it is about classic pettiness and tiny everyday nonsense that it’ll remain hashtag relatable for a very long time.

Yeah, like I know I'm not saying anything new here, because how can you with a show like Seinfeld, but the episode The Chinese Restaurant is a perfect one act play. George's whole, "We're living in a society!" because someone jumps in front of him for a payphone is both relatable and a perfect example of the show being dated because, you know, payphones. But that whole episode was amazing.

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howe_sam posted:

The punchline to The Marine Biologist is perfect tv.

Actually, yes, I caught that episode on Comedy Central back in December, and the end of the episode is what convinced me to finally go back and watch the show from the beginning. It was the first time I realized, "Oh, everyone else is right about this show."

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PriorMarcus posted:

What episode is that if I wanted to give it a go myself?

The Marine Biologist, season 5, episode 14.

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Timby posted:

My mom is 73 and we moved her to assisted living last year. :shrug:

I'm sure there were circumstances that led to that happening for your mom, but that isn't normally the case. 73 isn't really all that old anymore, if you're otherwise healthy.

A retirement community for Marge, sure, I could see that.

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muscles like this! posted:

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/comedy-central-daily-show-host-no-choice-correspondents-1235879076/
Well, Variety is reporting that Comedy Central has reached a decision about the next Daily Show host and they're just not going to bother right now.

This is so incredibly stupid. On the one hand, The Daily Show of the Jon Stewart era was basically a satire of Nightly News shows that no one really watches anymore, so might as well mix up the formula (though it stopped even being satire at some point, and just straight up making fun of other news networks directly). On the other hand, the host becomes the face of the show, the standard bearer. The one who represents the show on other shows. Yeah, the correspondents can do that, but to a far lesser degree. I know Stewart also served as at least one of the show runners along with the main producer (I don't know about Trevor Noah, but I think he had somewhat the same role). I'm guessing they're doing this for financial reasons? You have to pay a host more than the correspondents.

So are they just going to have different correspondents read the headlines each night? Or turn it into a fake news panel show instead? Or something more modern than old person me can't predict?

Gripweed posted:

That's fine, nobody watches the Daily Show during an election year anyway

This is a good point, too. This seems like the perfect time to put their best foot forward. Oh well.

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mystes posted:

The cartoon made money and redoing it as a live action show is a way to do the same thing over again, and what could be better than redoing the exact thing that was already successful?

I think the question is more, "Why should viewers care?" And the answer is, to some people, live action feels more legit than animated. So when something animated gets a live action adaptation, it feels like we finally got "the real deal", the legit, big boy version. But I still think that's crap, because it barely ever works out that way. The live action version almost always feels more lifeless than the cartoon version.

I mean, I like the Nina Turtles movie from 1990, but other than that I struggle to think of how often it's worked out. (Speed Racer wasn't for me, not being a fan of the original cartoon, but I understand fans loved it.)

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I've been watching After Midnight, and it's getting better every night. Taylor Tomlinson is getting more comfortable, and they're figuring out what the show is, the comedians included. I'm not gonna say it's quite there yet, but I'm laughing.

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swickles posted:

Yean, I give it a month or so to actually find its way. The best epsiode so far was with Paul F Thompkins, but that was him with Aparna Nancharla and Carl Tartt. That lineup could make anything funny. Pacing is definitely an issue, and the CBS censor is pretty heavy handed. Going to watch the Doug Benson episode later today, which is pretty likely to be good.

I also assume that, after the Max Greenfield episode, they'll hesitate to get non-comedian actors on again. He seemed so lost, and genuinely happy when he was cut. Like, the guy had no idea what he was doing, and his funniest bits were when he leaned in on ruining the segment.

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https://x.com/yashar/status/1750200455794237738?s=20

Only for Mondays. This certainly is a choice.

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GreenNight posted:

He saw John Oliver and was like drat, I could do that.

That's what he was doing with his AppleTV+ show, until he ended it because they were being assholes.

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MarcusSA posted:

I’ll give the shows he hosts a shot but like I don’t have cable do these show up on a stream service?

The main opening is always on YouTube the next day, as are the interviews (this is how I watched the guest host era). I think it's also on Paramount+ in full.

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Khanstant posted:

Road House and Die Hard are two movies I'll never ever see but feel like I already have seen way too much somehow.

I love Road House, but you're kind of fine not watching it if you don't want to. You should, it's a lot of fun, but it's not super important.

You need to watch Die Hard.

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Shageletic posted:

Of course professionals watch shows of their jobs as long as it's good and isn't too silly about it, alot of these shows have good consultants. Like I've heard Scrubs has some realistic points to it amidst the silliness, and some of the David Kelly shows have some realistic points from my viewpoint.

There really hasn't been a super realistic lawyer show (not a litigator) that I could find other than I don't know movies like a Civil Action or something bc being a lawyer is mostly just pouring over documents and client calls.

Lawyer friends of mine say My Cousin Vinny is the most realistic court movie ever made. But I’m not a lawyer. I’m a software developer. Silicon Valley was pretty accurate to my job in the first couple seasons (even using Agile Sprints and things like that), but I stopped watching it after that.

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howe_sam posted:

I'm pretty sure Alec Baldwin's Ryan is also a history professor in Hunt for Red October. He has that exchange with Ramius where he says he writes books.

Yeah, and Ramius says his books are terrible, saying his conclusions are all wrong.

Baldwin was a good Jack Ryan, too, and the most "book accurate", if that part matters to you at all. Even if he's apparently bad at writing his own books. Red October is a great movie.

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Sirotan posted:

Did no one watch the Chris Pine Jack Ryan movie or have we all collectively agreed to pretend it didn't exist since it's so incredibly dire?

Holy poo poo, I completely forgot that movie existed. And no, I never saw it. From the trailers, it just looked like a generic action movie, not a Jack Ryan movie at all, and from what I understand, wasn't based on any book. I also haven't bothered with the Amazon show, because it also looks boring as hell.

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feedmyleg posted:

Is that not what the books are? I've always assumed they're the epitome of bland airport fiction

They're mostly espionage and very low on action. In the early ones (except Patriot Games), Jack Ryan isn't even really THE main character, just a connective tissue. They're quite slow, and not in a bad way (again, the early ones, the later books are terrible). I think Clear and Present Danger comes the closest to nailing the tone of the books, though it is definitely more actiony and about Jack Ryan than most books. But even there, one of the most tense scenes is Jack Ryan trying to print a file before someone else can delete it.

In the early books most of the movies are based on, he really is an analyst doing an analyst job, and other people do the hard work, until he has to. (I mean, he eventually becomes President after someone flies a plane into the Capitol Building and he's the designated survivor. And this book came out before 9/11, so way to go, Tom Clancy. That book series got wild after a while.)

Rainbow Six is the dumb action book. And Jack Ryan isn't in that one, just a couple characters from Clear and Present Danger.

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howe_sam posted:

It's been forever since I've seen the film, but thinking about it, Sum of All Fears actually was a pretty good adaptation of the spirit of the book, despite changing just about everything about the plot.

Yeah, the book was about terrorists and not Nazis, if I remember correctly, and had a huge subplot about Jack Ryan and his wife having a hard time conceiving which they thankfully cut out by making it be about a young Jack who was still dating, but was mostly in line. And the ending is resolved with a conversation, and not a huge action set piece, I think (I haven't seen it in forever).

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Midnight Pooptrain posted:

I liked Sum of All Fears. Affleck's Ryan isn't really an action dude at all. Releasing it after 9/11 was wild.

That's why they changed the villains from Middle Eastern terrorists (I forget which country, but I think they were Palestinian?) to Nazis. They figured making them Nazis would be way less topical.

Give it a few years, I guess.

But I remember liking the movie, too. The nuclear explosion scene was especially impactful. Movies usually defuse the bomb, but nope, they straight up nuked Baltimore. The movie was also where I went on my first date with who eventually became my wife. Thankfully she gave me a mulligan on date location choices.

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IRQ posted:

Tom Clancy novels got progressively more insane as they went on. Eventually, Jack Ryan just gets to be president because Japan 9/11s the capitol building.

Yeah, and as I mentioned earlier, that book came out before 9/11. In 1994. Though I think it was one pilot for a Japanese airline acting alone, and not an official act by the country of Japan?

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Timby posted:

This is a popularly held belief, but it's wrong. The Sum of All Fears finished filming in June 2001, three months before 9 / 11.

Really? I didn't know that. My mistake. I wonder why they changed the villains to neo-Nazis, then.

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Old Kentucky Shark posted:

OG Law & Order was fairly low key for a courtroom drama up through the Lenny Brisco years (so season 13 or so). The cases were usually murky, with the audience not being given any special information that the police/lawyers didn’t have, and it was often unclear if the person on trial was actually guilty or not. The moral uncertainty and the more professional nature of the characters - you only ever saw the characters at work, and often knew little of their personal lives* - were part of the show’s calling cards

After Jack McCoy stopped being ADA and was promoted to full DA, (seasons 17+) the courtroom part became a lot more melodramatic and tended to rest on flashy reveals, and interpersonal drama.

*Legendarily, and hilariously, one character was revealed to be gay on the exact episode where she got kicked off the show. It was essentially the first time her personal life was ever touched on. It was so bad.

I dunno, the very first episode of OG Law and Order ends with them giving a well respected surgeon a field sobriety test on the stand, and he can't even touch his nose because he got stupid drunk at lunch that day. It was pretty SHOCKING court room stuff right from the get go.

That being said, it was a great moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJHsuwesDR8

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I think this is a bad suggestion for a show you can turn off halfway through an episode and pick up later, since it's a highly serialized show, and each episode is tightly plotted around one character, through the current timeline and flashbacks. Like, it may be the worst suggestion. Unless that's the joke.

thrawn527
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I think HBO is hoping the new Harry Potter show is successful enough that they don't need any of the original core three to keep the franchise moving. I don't know if that's possible, because the movies are loved, remaking them as a show with kids who are going to age faster than you're likely going to able to make a show seems like a big gamble, but it's the only move they've got for Harry Potter now.

Besides just sitting on it, but lol c'mon now.

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mystes posted:

Is the harry potter show just going to be an adaptation of the books again? that kind of seems like a dumb idea

They're marketing it as a "faithful adaptation of the books". So they're gonna put every single detail from the books in there they left out last time in order to make the movies watchable (the ones that were, I mean. Not those first two).

Get ready for a poo poo ton of Quidditch.

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PriorMarcus posted:

Given how modern TV Shows seem to make a season every year I don't see how it's possible for the kids not to age out of the roles really fast. Also there's no way they will be able to cast as strongly for the adult characters this time around. What's odd about the entire endeavor is that the iconography of the franchise is so strongly embedded in merchandise and the brand identity at this point that Hogwarts will basically look the same, and all the creatures and magical items will look the same as the films.

At least Hermione will be black this time and Dumbledore will be played by a gay actor.

This is another problem. I don't see how you can possibly approach as good of casting as Alan Rickman, Richard Harris/Michael Gambon, Maggie Smith, Gary Oldman, Ralph Fiennes, Brendan Gleeson, etc. And I could go on. That's a murderer's row of a cast, and anyone you get for the TV show is going to be compared to them.

Have they said Hermione is going to be black in the show, or are you just assuming? I thought her skin color was never mentioned in the books, so it didn't matter either way when she was black in Cursed Child (which I never saw or read, but the descriptions of it sound wild).

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