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I don't read Holbrook more than once a season by accident but I respect everybody's enjoyment of a good hate read.
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Scary Go Round (April 5-7, 2006)   We are now kicking off one of the first big meta-arcs of the series. And also starting tomorrow, the strip is hand drawn again!
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I don't read Holbrook for reasons of maintaining my own sanity, so I don't care one way or the other, myself. Corto Maltese     Blueberry   
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Apr 23, 2024 18:29
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Vox Valentine posted:and honestly Holbrook is not the worst person here (steve kelley).
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Apr 23, 2024 18:34
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I’m weirdly looking forward to Kevin & Kell reruns catching up to the current run.
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Apr 23, 2024 18:35
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Bad as the Holbrook strips are, and they are dreadful, the page-long screeds of “Can you believe what Holbrook did?!? Why, that makes absolutely no sense because blah blah blah blah!” are worse. I hate seeing 30 new posts, open the thread, and getting 29 posts of Holbrook banter.
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Apr 23, 2024 18:46
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yeah i sure hate when people talk about the comics, that are being posted, in the comics thread
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Apr 23, 2024 18:51
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Vox Valentine posted:and honestly Holbrook is not the worst person here (Rick McKee and, I suppose, the late Al Capp). I like Holbrook, blind spots and all, although I wouldn't mind losing his strips if they're making the thread unpleasant for others to read. Selachian fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Apr 23, 2024 18:56
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My eyes just slide down the page at Holbrook, but not everything is made for me (to hateread).  Mutts  Sally Forth  Skippy (March 24, 1936)  Peanuts (April 26, 1977)  Crankshaft speaks to me today. It's saying "This is where a joke would be on a normal day. And I'm a Sunday strip forced into two panels"  Rip Haywire  Li'l Abner (May 25-27, 1936)   Thimble Theater (November 25, 1940)  Out Our Way, in which the Worry Wart's playtime gets out of the Pacific and moves to Normandy. (July 10-12, 1944)   
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Apr 23, 2024 18:58
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The Family Upstairs/The Dingbat Family(October 25, 1910) Baron Bean(April 25, 1916)  Polly and Her Pals(March 25, 1913)  God damnit. Gasoline Alley(December 16, 1919)  Us Boys(April 23, 1912)  The Gumps(May 22, 1917)  Bringing up Father(January 6, 1913)  Abie the Agent(February 7 - 9, 1914)   "Cap" Stubbs(March 5, 1918) 
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Apr 23, 2024 19:10
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EasyEW posted:
Seeing loving seen here.
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Apr 23, 2024 20:20
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I think Holbrook's comics are very stupid, but at least they're not outright hateful like Dustin or smug self-fellating nonsense like Crankshaft Winkerbean. And while I think the way he's already pairing up these kindergarteners to be future couples is weird, it's not "should we be calling the authorities" level of grossness that 9CL did with the twin babies that finally got it booted off the thread. That said, I wouldn't mind if Holbrook just stopped making comics lol. As for the thread itself, it's great how there's tons of variety. I know there's some good and lovely comics that I don't read either because it doesn't grab me personally or it's tedious to follow, but it's nice that other posters can just pick which ones that they like and which ones they hateread. Oh, and I can cut down on commenting about Holbrook's comics, if it helps not clog up the thread.
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I'm not gonna lie, it's baffling that there's more demand for Holbrook to stop being posted when the thread also has Dustin, a hack comic strip written by a no poo poo far right political cartoonist, and that doesn't get nearly as much genuine "this comic is poo poo and shouldn't be posted".
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Apr 23, 2024 20:29
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someone awful. posted:yeah i sure hate when people talk about the comics, that are being posted, in the comics thread
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Esa Ahto  Nancy  heh Dustin  Mandrake The Magician 
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The bad comics are just as much a part of this thread as the good ones. It'd get pretty dull if all we ever talked about was how great Wallace and Flash are.
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Powered Descent posted:The bad comics are just as much a part of this thread as the good ones. It'd get pretty dull if all we ever talked about was how great Wallace and Flash are. we can change it up a little sometimes by talking about how good Valiant and Cul-De-Sac are
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Apr 23, 2024 20:41
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I find Holbrook's comics tedious and repulsive on both visual and narrative levels, but I just scroll past them. My only complaint is that it's a gigantic blob of image to scroll past every time. I would be happy if they were timged
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Yeah I never read Holbrook's stuff but I'm an absolute champ at scrolling so I don't care if they get posted
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I don't read any of the Holbrook comics, but reading the commentary is amusing at least. If anything, a higher comment:comic ratio would probably liven up the thread in general (says one of the crowd who usually just posts comics and doesn't comment...) We Are Reproducing quote:  Haraiso Days quote: 
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Rubber Chicken posted:It super sucks but it also seems a bit of a silly own goal This is the thing that's completely mystifying to me--why did it need to be Conan? A sword & sorcery story with a buff barbarian and a bunch of Tackleford characters would have been just as satisfying and wouldn't have been baiting the bear. Like someone said, Allison is own-goaling pretty often and I don't think this is an exception. It's not hard to google and find out that Conan is in PD in the UK but not in the US, and there's been multiple instances showing that American media companies don't give a poo poo if a work is in PD in your country if they still have the US rights for it, they will bleed you dry defending the copyright or trademark. Plus Allison has demonstrated he genuinely doesn't give a poo poo about copyright and will happily make Batman and X-Men comics with little hesitation, so he's kind of asking for it any time he pulls from an existing work at this point. It doesn't help that he's basically cribbing from the older Marvel Conan comics in the character design too. I'm absolutely of the opinion that copyright law on a whole lot of stuff is hosed and there's no real excuse for companies to hold on to legacy trademarks for stuff that's now older than most people alive on the planet, but also it's hard to feel like Allison isn't asking for a fight sometimes. I just don't get what's in his head sometimes, as a creator. IMO Steeple was the best thing he's done in a long time and he just kinda said "nah, gently caress that, I'm done with it", which was just baffling to me.
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Kazinsal posted:I'm not gonna lie, it's baffling that there's more demand for Holbrook to stop being posted when the thread also has Dustin, a hack comic strip written by a no poo poo far right political cartoonist, and that doesn't get nearly as much genuine "this comic is poo poo and shouldn't be posted". It probably just boils down to frequency. Dustin is one "Woof, get a load of this turd" strip a day, Holbrook manages three. Add to that the fact that they all look the same and have the same voice (plus, Safe Havens is like the marriage of K&K's "funny" animal hellworld and Fastrack's crappy business zingers and tortured visual puns/metaphors, so that one just feels like a dumping ground for B-side gags that didn't make the cut for the other two)...it compounds the misery in a hurry I completely hate the dude's work but I skip past it 99 times out of 100; every few months I'll catch a stray or check out a strip when discourse really flares up about it and remember why I avoid them all.
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There has to be a reason beyond Thing/Thing Japanese that explains why I find Rose Is Rose so annoying but consider We Are Reproducing so drat cute
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Shungicu Uchida is a much more interesting person, for one. Comparing the babies is also comparing a drawn-from-life portrait of a real person to a broadly-sketched ideal type of an innocent child. WARbaby has been distinctly getting more coherent and intelligent, and the funny malapropisms are authentically ridiculous baby-talk instead of something calculated to appeal to an adult. A lot of the proper strips posted here are held back by the need to produce daily content. It's very hard to keep that trickle consistent over years and years, let alone without repeating yourself heavily when you run out of ideas and have to riff a bit. Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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EndOfTheWorld posted:There has to be a reason beyond Thing/Thing Japanese that explains why I find Rose Is Rose so annoying but consider We Are Reproducing so drat cute There are probably a dozen reasons at least One is a zombie strip where nothing changes and basically everything is "filler" and the other moves and tells a real story Art style, sincerity, novelty
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Even if WAR isn't 100% based on reality, it has very realistic and grounded tone and shows less idealized aspects of parenthood, which makes the cute parts more relatable. e. hmm... then again, you could say that about FOOB... Kennel fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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EndOfTheWorld posted:There has to be a reason beyond Thing/Thing Japanese that explains why I find Rose Is Rose so annoying but consider We Are Reproducing so drat cute We are Reproducing is mostly straight forward stories about normal things all toddlers do - it's easy to understand what's happening and match it to our own experiences. Even if you don't have a kid, you know what kids *are* and can match what's happening in the comic to that. RiR, on the other hand, is such a heightened and amplified version of family life that it's become grotesque and unrelatable. If you were around people who constantly gurned and grimaced like the characters in that strip, you would be terrified. If you knew someone who made a huge deal about eating the most slightly spicy type of chili pepper, you would find them unbearably tedious. The behavior of very character in that strip is like the protective coloring on a poisonous animal - you just know instinctively to avoid it.
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Kennel posted:Even if WAR isn't 100% based on reality, it has very realistic and grounded tone and shows less idealized aspects of parenthood, which makes the cute parts more relatable. that's another reason why I led with "shungicu uchida is an interesting person" - because lynn johnston is less interesting and more reprehensible
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Yeah, I think WAR has the combination of both depicting a real family (instead of Lynn Johnston's increasingly unnerving family fanfic) and of balancing the unpleasant parts of parenting with the author's clear love for her child and appreciation of his developing personhood. I can't speak to Rose is Rose here because my eyes slide off that poo poo whenever I accidentally look at it.
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I think the trick of WAR is not only that it depicts the frustrations of parenthood as well as the joys, but that it specifically doesn't take the frustrations personally or depict the joys in a saccharine way.
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RiR is pleasant enough if you'd be satisfied with a cheesy greeting card aesthetic. Things like the adult men loving comics, garbage moments(eh, it resonates with me from my kitchen work) and even the doofy WOOAHH I ATE A JALAPENO are earnest personality from the middle-aged stay at home mom I assume draws it. 2/5 in general, 3/5 to target audience. Still pretty staged and saccharine but it puts in more honest effort than the true trash on the funny pages. WAR is an actual work of artistic merit with something to say about what is often an entirely private story. 4/5 overall easily, loads of 5/5 pages and panels. You can't plan or stage the joy shared through WAR-baby and his mom and her seven foot tall Alien xenomorph statue.
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All very good reasons! Sorry, I'm a big ol' weeb and I always have that nagging feeling that I let that override my judgment. But yeah, 100%, the difference between WAR and Rose is Rose is like the difference between an actual baby and, like, some saccharine baby Herman cartoon. Truth is the basis for good art, who the gently caress would have guessed.
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RiR depicts children with exactly the same familiarity with the subject that the Overboard guy depicts octopuses.
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God, what and why is Overboard It doesn't offend me or anything, sometimes it's even amusing, but what the gently caress is going on there
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'm just gonna ask, but does anyone actually want holbrook to be posted? on the individual comic level he's no oh baby but getting a shotgun blast of him everyday (backlog or no backlog all three of his comic strips are terrible) might make him worse on a quantitative level at least Holbrook is terrible. I'd set whoever posts it to Ignore, but I think they occasionally post other comics I read and it's not worth the opportunity cost, so I suffer for the art. But for whoever said they'd miss it if Holbrook vanished from here, I set whoever posts Crankshaft and Sally Forth to ignore months ago and I do not miss Sally Forth one iota. Seeing it quoted earlier on this page only reinforced how little I give a poo poo about Ted Forth and his banal, wordy nonsense. Modesty Blaise: The Iron God  
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I am also in the "would prefer to forget Holbrook and his comics exist" club, which can also extend to Batiuk and the Dustin guy, but I can scroll
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Antivehicular posted:God, what and why is Overboard I like to think of it as high functioning Computoons.
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Doomykins posted:Things like the adult men loving comics, garbage moments(eh, it resonates with me from my kitchen work) and even the doofy WOOAHH I ATE A JALAPENO are earnest personality from the middle-aged stay at home mom I assume draws it. Oddly, both Rose Is Rose's creator and current artist are men. But I suppose anyone can be a middle-aged stay at home mom if they try hard enough. Pogo 10/20-22/52    Archie 3/20-22/50    The Virtue of Vera Valiant 7/14-16/77   He's wrong -- that's the 1925 Red Sox. Maybe Stan was reading the wrong line in the Baseball Almanac. 
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Not only does Holbrook need to continue to show up (because in spite of my indifference, it's poo poo that very obviously gets a visceral, visible reaction), but someone needs to bring to the Discord where it can live in the Hall of Shame folder with a few of the things we don't post itt anymore. And whoever takes on the back half of that challenge needs to not be me, because one of my collection of night sweat-inducing fears is an old age where I forget what my grandmother's voice sounds like but being able to rattle off Funkyverse minutiae unprompted. While sobbing uncontrollably.
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never forget that one of the early gimmicks of rose is rose was the dad being horny for his corpulent mother-in-law and having a feeder fetish as a result
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