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Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Bucky Fullminster posted:

Isn’t what the first paragraph does?

We need to talk about transport. Because the current system isn’t working. It’s expensive,

But sure I’ll work on condensing it further

Also consider using subheadings like “Executive Summary” and such throughout as this will flag for the reader what is where.

Decision makers will, at best, skim read this so it’s important to structure your writing to be easily skim read. It’s not a creative writing exercise, just make it so I can easily read it and consider the argument. If the concept is complex, the writing MUST be simple. Having to slog through dense writing while considering a dense topic is just so mind numbing.

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birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
has anyone seen the asher keddie as notMia show? she’s bad at parenting, business, politics and business, but drat it somebody has to plant a flag for second-wave feminism

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
Lol of course it was a 40yr old with a cooked brain that vandalised the woolies

SecretOfSteel posted:

I haven't been in Woolworths for a while given there's a Coles nearby, but gently caress me do Woolworths like recording everything you do.

Can't a man jerk off in the bread aisle in peace any more

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Non Compos Mentis posted:

Can't a man jerk off in the bread aisle in peace any more

Man cannot jerk by bread alone

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Non Compos Mentis posted:

Lol of course it was a 40yr old with a cooked brain that vandalised the woolies

Can't a man jerk off in the bread aisle in peace any more

Adds a whole new meaning to enjoying a succulent Chinese frozen meal

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
New woke lamb ad doesn't poo poo on vegetarians and hippies.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

JBP posted:

New woke lamb ad doesn't poo poo on vegetarians and hippies.

This made me look up Sam Kekovich

He filmed facebook ads for Corey Bernadi's political party and the lamb people got angry with him for using the term "lambassador"

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

birdstrike posted:

has anyone seen the asher keddie as notMia show? she’s bad at parenting, business, politics and business, but drat it somebody has to plant a flag for second-wave feminism

Buddy,

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

SecretOfSteel posted:

I haven't been in Woolworths for a while given there's a Coles nearby, but gently caress me do Woolworths like recording everything you do.

Went to one this morning and the self-checkout beeped at me and said to call an employee*. So I called one over and she scanned her ID card and replayed the video from a camera directly overhead which I hadn't even seen - and distinct from the camera pointing at my face - to rewind and ID what I'd put in my bags.

I wonder if they use the same video surveillance package the casino uses.



* or whatever condescending euphemism companies are using for staff nowadays

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
The Woolworths camera correctly detected my son(2yr) shoplifted a toy and closed the glass gates on us causing an employee to ask me to pry a toy out of his hands and pay for it.

ShoeFly
Dec 28, 2006

Waiter, there's a fly in my shoe!

Anidav posted:

The Woolworths camera correctly detected my son(2yr) shoplifted a toy and closed the glass gates on us causing an employee to ask me to pry a toy out of his hands and pay for it.

lol exact same thing happened to me, those new glass gates have ruined toddlers' fun

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

my des provider is making me fill out an obligatory gratitude journal lol

Lube Enthusiast
May 26, 2016

When I was like 8-9 i stole a kinder surprise from woolies and my parents subsequently caught + yelled at me. I’m glad they did because since that day i’ve been a honest law abiding man whos never stolen anything ever again*

*excluding the thousands of dollars of pirated mp3s online

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

an egg posted:

my des provider is making me fill out an obligatory gratitude journal lol

Is there anything more dehumanizing. Hard enough to deal with disability poo poo without having to pretend to be loving grateful about it.

"Hmm, how can we take away even more dignity from our clients?"

Meanwhile, some oval office in a suit is using "gratitude" quotes to get a six figure bonus.

Nutsak
Jul 21, 2005
All balls.

an egg posted:

my des provider is making me fill out an obligatory gratitude journal lol

Or what? Take some time to report that to Centrelink. Draw seven legged spiders in it. That's not an activity that will help you find work. Gratitude Journals don't work if you're forced to use them.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

an egg posted:

my des provider is making me fill out an obligatory gratitude journal lol
Use only lines from the following:

quote:

Reasons to be cheerful, part three
1, 2, 3

Summer, Buddy Holly, the working folly
Good golly, Miss Molly and boats
Hammersmith Palais, the Bolshoi Ballet
Jump back in the alley and nanny goats
Eighteen wheeler Scammells, Dominica camels
All other mammals plus equal votes
Seeing Piccadilly, Fanny Smith and Willie
Being rather silly and porridge oats
A bit of grin and bear it, a bit of come and share it
You're welcome we can spare it, yellow socks
Too short to be haughty, too nutty to be naughty
Going on forty, no electric shocks
The juice of a carrot, the smile of a parrot
A little drop of claret, anything that rocks
Elvis and Scotty, the days when I ain't spotty
Sitting on a potty, curing smallpox

Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, three

Reasons to be cheerful, part three, verse two

Health service glasses, gigolos and brasses
Round or skinny bottoms
Take your mum to Paris, lighting up a chalice
Wee Willie Harris
Bantu Steven Biko, listening to Rico
Harpo Groucho Chico
Cheddar cheese and pickle, the Vincent motorsickle
Slap and tickle
Woody Allen, Dali, Dmitri and Pasquale
Balla, balla, balla and Volare
Something nice to study, phoning up a buddy
Being in my nuddy
Saying okey-dokey, sing-a-long a Smokey
Coming out of chokie
John Coltrane's soprano, Adie Celentano
Bonar Colleano

Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, three

What about a, what about a, what about a, what about a
What about a, what about a, what about a, what about a
What about a, what about a, what about a, what about a
What about a, what about a what?

Yes, yes, dear, dear perhaps next year
Or maybe even never
In which case...

Woody Allan, Dali, Domitrie and Pascale
Balla, balla, balla and Volare
Something nice to study, phoning up a buddy
Being in my nuddy
Saying okey-dokey, sing-a-long a Smokie
Coming out a chokie
John Coltrane's soprano, Adie Celentano
Beuno Colino

Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, three

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

thank you, friends. it seemed faintly ridiculous to me too, glad it's not just me.

you're a wise man, cartoon.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Is there anything more dehumanizing. Hard enough to deal with disability poo poo without having to pretend to be loving grateful about it.

"Hmm, how can we take away even more dignity from our clients?"

Meanwhile, some oval office in a suit is using "gratitude" quotes to get a six figure bonus.

I bet some grad student did a survey that showed people who write gratitude journals are less likely to jump off a bridge or something. Then that got turned into a KPI by suits who don't understand that writing the journal isn't what makes people not want to jump off a bridge.

meteor9
Nov 23, 2007

"That's why I put up with it."
It's just the usual "the DES provider owns a side company that gets paid to issue/force these and gets free money from the government for doing so" I'd assume, like, basically every single aspect of the privatised JSA environment we keep forcing the poor and disabled to suffer under.

And the 'or else' is usually "you lose your payment for possibly months because CL is so backed up and understaffed that people are starving and going homeless while waiting for corrections to be made" so, you know, not a great option for most people on a CL payment!

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Gratitude psych is a psyop imo

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

update: i'm going to have to ask my provider for a new gratitude journal because i used too many f-words

JBP posted:

Gratitude psych is a psyop imo
heartily agreeing with a jbp post

i also feel this way about the sudden rise of "stoic philosophy"

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

an egg posted:

update: i'm going to have to ask my provider for a new gratitude journal because i used too many f-words


ask for a hard cover journal so you can throw it at your provider

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
gently caress off Tim Pallas

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

an egg posted:

my des provider is making me fill out an obligatory gratitude journal lol

.... The actual gently caress? What the hell is a "gratitude journal" and whose stupid idea was it to make it mandatory?

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

.... The actual gently caress? What the hell is a "gratitude journal" and whose stupid idea was it to make it mandatory?

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
I once lived with a dude who used to work for Sarina Russo and I was on the dole at the time and Sarina Russo was just the default employment service I wound up and he would tell me the most insane stories about workplace culture there that made it sound like it was a loving cult

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-19/anger-and-fear-as-australians-wait-for-mental-health-supports/103365124

We said it at the time that Labor were pulling a bait and switch around the Better Access Scheme, and the numbers did indeed back that up.

The issue was, and still is, is that Labor are conflating two seperate issues: access and dose.

Access was the reason Mark Butler killed the extended sessions - that regional and rural Australians have limited access to psychological services. The rise of telehealth can address this somewhat but there has to be a value proposition here to grow the industry in these areas. There's also no financial incentive for MH providers to go to bulk billing or reduce gap fees, so the status quo remains.

If you can get access, dosage is the # of sessions you can access at the reduced rate. The theory is that people need a certain "dose" of treatment before they can get better. The suggestion was the money saved here would go towards funding the hypothetical scheme that is for a greater clinical severity than the Better Access Scheme but below that of psychiatric inpatient services. The primary issue here is that the BAS relies on clinical research to identify what disorders are covered under the BAS, and for how many sessions. It's why eating disorders only recently were added to the scheme, but personality disorders are not (no evidence of change in a short time frame).

I'd argue that even the maximum of 10 sessions is woefully inadequate for your "standard" anxiety and depression, so people are receiving an insufficient "dosage" of treatment to support recovery. I'm just spitballing here but what I'd like to see is some better level of stepped care or something so you can bring in the more severe/long term disorders under the Medicare umbrella but I'm not holding my breath under Labor.

The last thing I'l rant about is the focus on disorders and the DSM-5-TR. There's some obvious benefits to the DSM but the drawback is we focus on disorders of clinical significance where your success rate is markedly lower. We really ought to be thinking about how we address sub-threshold mental health challenges beyond relying on the shadow mental health system that are Employee Assistance Programs. We rely on people having a stable job and stable access to EAPs which obviously miss huge sections of our community who are not in paid work.

I acknowledge that the above rant isn't a fully formed thought but whatever.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
and of course the medicare rebates themselves are woefully inadequate compared to the industry's standard fees, which is surely a major factor in why the wealthier disproportionately use the scheme - psychology appointments are so expensive that even with the rebate many people can't afford to go very often

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-19/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-rejects-us-calls-for-palestinian-state/103367348

If only there was some way the US could get Israel to stop bombing civilians.

Serrath
Mar 17, 2005

I have nothing of value to contribute
Ham Wrangler

Recoome posted:

We said it at the time that Labor were pulling a bait and switch around the Better Access Scheme, and the numbers did indeed back that up.

The issue was, and still is, is that Labor are conflating two seperate issues: access and dose.


It’s impressive to me how efficiently the current administration has eroded both access and dose simultaneously. Access has been under a prolonged siege since 2012, when rebates were frozen - this battle was never resolved, we’ve since talked about different things because this fight is now 12 years old but I would point to this decision as a primary cause of access limitations. Increasing gap fees that psychologists have to increasingly charge or be overwhelmed with inflation is how it starts but over time, it chases people out of private practice altogether, further degrading access, particularly in rural and remote environments.

Fixing dose doesn’t help this so <of course> investigations into the better access program will conclude that that increasing the session cap didn’t improve access. Access is limited by the price of admission, not the number of available sessions…

The system is set up to fail, you don’t need to commission a study into the penetration of better access, ask literally any privately practicing psychologist and they can tell you why the system isn’t achieving its targets. It’s the classic tactic of defunding a public service, commissioning a study that concludes the service isn’t performing as well as it’s meant to, and using that study as a reason to defund that service further.

I’ve probably pointed out this same thing on these forums but it continues to be true - Australia used to be a world leader in access to psychology, there are very few comparable countries that have a similar system to access psychologists based on GP referrals, talk to anyone from Canada or America about how they access psychologists and you’ll see how lucky you are (or were) in this country. It’s an honest to god shame how much such a progressive system has been undermined and degraded in the last 15 years

E:

quote:

acknowledge that the above rant isn't a fully formed thought but whatever

Your rant is perfectly formed and is completely accurate - don’t stop posting about psychology access, it’s such an important topic. But it’s also such a frustrating thing to talk about because there seems to be a wide consensus among Australians that it’s good and should be funded and yet it keeps getting worse and worse. <at the time> that rebates were frozen in 2012, people protested, you saw editorials appearing in newspapers, you had expert bodies talking about what a bad idea it was yet the needle didn’t move even a bit and were still frozen, more than a decade later. This debate about number of seasons is following the same trajectory, we have stats, research, best practice evidence, expert opinion, and public opinion on our side and yet it feels like it’s going to slip away from us again… it’s a really demoralizing debate to be a part of

Serrath fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jan 20, 2024

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Went to one this morning and the self-checkout beeped at me and said to call an employee*. So I called one over and she scanned her ID card and replayed the video from a camera directly overhead which I hadn't even seen - and distinct from the camera pointing at my face - to rewind and ID what I'd put in my bags.

I wonder if they use the same video surveillance package the casino uses.



* or whatever condescending euphemism companies are using for staff nowadays

I doubt they'd have upgraded since I left, so it's unlikely. And a lot of it was kinda customised in-house.

Blamestorm
Aug 14, 2004

We LOL at death! Watch us LOL. Love the LOL.
Australia is a few steps behind the UK where many cumulative cuts under the Coalition and halting of indexation and public investment is resulting in systems everywhere rapidly declining in accessibility/affordability and quality of service, or outright falling apart. As they degrade the cost increases to arrest decline (let alone restore them back to where they were before), and they are all in competition for (arbitrarily) limited budget. You can see this happening across health, aged care, employment services, higher education, R&D, etc. They all need major reform and inaction is just kicking the ball down the road where it will be even more costly and complex to address, with all the usual suspects lining up to object to any actual effort to improve public services or improve living standards. The one thing that mitigates this over the UK is that the Commonwealth is only one half the story here - the States drive a lot of it too, and we have eight jurisdictions where some of them might do better. (Half convinced this is where 90% of the work on climate mitigation/adaptation will end up happening)

Basically our tax system needs a root and branch reform to pay to maintain a first world quality of life (especially inclusively and equitably) but the chances of that seem near nil under this or any future government, unless climate catastrophe forces it.

Edit: it’s impossible to understate how much fundamental systemic damage was done by Abbott/Hockey in particular by cutting a lot of government services and programs that most people aren’t even aware of but helped support economic and social policy ecosystems. Even Turnbull had to do damage control just by restoring some basic funding. Then we had years of stasis and cuts under Morrison. ALP inherited a massively degraded public system. I actually don’t think they 100% realised the extent until they were back in and getting briefed by the APS. The capability of the federal government is drastically reduced compared with pre-Abbott times.

Blamestorm fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jan 21, 2024

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-01-20/potato-crops-in-australia-are-still-susceptible-to-shortages/103368238

What does this mean for Dutton?

Spookydonut
Sep 13, 2010

"Hello alien thoughtbeasts! We murder children!"
~our children?~
"Not recently, no!"
~we cool bro~

press op of dutton biting into a raw potato

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

Blamestorm posted:

The one thing that mitigates this over the UK is that the Commonwealth is only one half the story here - the States drive a lot of it too, and we have eight jurisdictions where some of them might do better. (Half convinced this is where 90% of the work on climate mitigation/adaptation will end up happening)

Basically our tax system needs a root and branch reform to pay to maintain a first world quality of life (especially inclusively and equitably) but the chances of that seem near nil under this or any future government, unless climate catastrophe forces it.

i would not expect the states to be able to step in and fix things either unfortunately - their ability to raise revenue is pretty limited so if things are collapsing due to the feds underfunding everything, the states are pretty constrained in their ability to do more to cover for that.

of course, labor seems to be still going ahead with the stage 3 tax cuts (though there has been some recent reporting that said they still haven't decided exactly what they're doing with them) out of cowardice which will just make fixing medicare pretty much impossible to fund, and we will keep going down a similar death spiral to the uk

Tomberforce
May 30, 2006

Yeah I'm originally from the UK and moved here about 12 years ago. Recently went back there for 6 months (for partners mat leave) and the decline since I left was staggering and immediately obvious as soon as you had any sort of contact with the healthcare system. The GP which used to routinely give me same day appointments when I was a kid was weeks booked out. Also private healthcare ads were everywhere. Australians as a whole have no idea how much further there is to fall.

Aware
Nov 18, 2003
Don't worry we're only usually 10 years behind the UK but the gap is closing fast.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

lih posted:

their ability to raise revenue is pretty limited

Potentially more so than they previously thought given the implications for state levies after Victoria’s electric vehicle tax was ruled unconstitutional.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
yeah that high court ruling was deranged and is a gigantic problem, though states had serious constitutional limitations around revenue raising even before that. the fiscal imbalance between states & federal government is a big mess but not one that's easy to fix at all unfortunately

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The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
Plibble

Recoome posted:

We really ought to be thinking about how we address sub-threshold mental health challenges beyond relying on the shadow mental health system that are Employee Assistance Programs. We rely on people having a stable job and stable access to EAPs which obviously miss huge sections of our community who are not in paid work.
The answer to most sub-threshold mental health challenges is to make a safer, happier, more comfortable society. Like the opposite of Centrelink.

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