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KingEup
Nov 18, 2004
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The nicotine vape prohibition is off to a good start

https://x.com/bradk87287/status/1764618414906347860?s=61&t=0JZcRltCkkWUPOYIuINbjQ

2 days left to sign the petition for repealing it: https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN5905

gently caress the drug war.

Remember when Vic health and Mark Butler said vapers wouldn’t be targeted?

Yeah well that was bs.

https://x.com/sandrodemaio/status/1745250711590641853?s=61&t=0JZcRltCkkWUPOYIuINbjQ

KingEup fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Mar 4, 2024

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KingEup
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Senor Tron posted:

gently caress these literal candy tubes though, getting a whole new generation of kids into smoking tobacco.

The overwhelming amount of evidence indicates that youth vaping has accelerated the decline in youth smoking.

There is no evidence of a gateway effect:

https://x.com/jonathanfoulds/status/1737144488521343299?s=61&t=0JZcRltCkkWUPOYIuINbjQ

What the research actually shows:

quote:

Studies have found that policies intended to restrict e-cigarette use may have unintentionally increased cigarette smoking. One study associated a Minnesota e-cigarette tax with increased adult smoking and reduced cessation, estimating that taxing e-cigarettes at the same rate as cigarettes nationwide could deter 2.75 million smokers from quitting smoking over a decade.85 Two other studies found state restrictions on minors’ access to e-cigarettes associated with higher adolescent cigarette smoking.86,87 https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2021.306416

KingEup fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 5, 2024

KingEup
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The Artificial Kid posted:

That would be great if vaping were harmless, but it isn't https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7590536/

You are misinformed

quote:

EVALI was a lung disease resulting in serious illness and premature deaths in North America between mid-2019 and early 2020. It was originally labeled ‘vaping associated pulmonary illness’ (VAPI) [2], but ‘e-cigarette’ was later added to the title by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Canadian health authorities, by contrast, chose the label ‘vaping associated lung illness’ (VALI) [3]. While the CDC’s name includes ‘e-cigarette’, all evidence points towards Vitamin E acetate-contaminated illegal tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) vapes as the cause, and no research has identified any chemicals found in nicotine e-cigarettes as the cause [4, 5]. Vitamin E acetate is not soluble in nicotine e-liquids and has never been detected in nicotine e-liquids [6].

Despite the evidence, the CDC continues including ‘e-cigarettes’ in the name EVALI. This naming has affected news coverage and contributed to distorted consumer beliefs about the risks of nicotine vaping. Smokers are twice as likely to incorrectly identify nicotine e-cigarettes as the cause of EVALI than to correctly identify illicit, adulterated THC products [7].
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/add.16097

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Scientific consensus overwhelmingly holds that nicotine electronic cigarettes (ECs), although not risk-free, are considerably lower risk than combustible tobacco, as they provide a means to inhale nicotine without combustion
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.16063

Captain Theron posted:

Has it decreased smoking in total, or has it just shifted some portion to vaping? If you combine smoking and vaping rates, how does that look compared to historical rates?



I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I'm sorry but vaping is cringe. It should be banned on that basis alone.

quote:

Compared with the Status Quo, replacement of cigarette by e-cigarette use over a 10-year period yields 6.6 million fewer premature deaths
https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/27/1/18

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The substantial increase in e-cigarette use among US adult smokers was associated with a statistically significant increase in the smoking cessation rate at the population level.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28747333/

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Studies in both the UK and the US have associated increases in smoking cessation of 10–15% with the use of e-cigarettes.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02201-7

:siren:

Please people, read this paper published in the Feb 1, 2024 edition of The Lancet: https://asobczak.com.pl/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Beaglehole-Bonita-Lancet-THR.pdf

:siren:

KingEup fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Mar 5, 2024

KingEup
Nov 18, 2004
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Another stupid drug prohibition is being ushered into law before your very eyes and no one is interested in stopping it? How do you think we ended up with so many other dumb drug prohibitions?

Would anyone support an Australian politician who proposed making alcohol ‘prescription only’?

KingEup fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Mar 5, 2024

KingEup
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Bucky Fullminster posted:

Cigarettes are bad, but at least they stink, which acts as a kind of protection.

Vapes might be less bad, but they're still bad, and they don't have that stinky protection, which makes them a different kind of dangerous.

We shouldn't make toxic things nice and present them like candy to children.

We're on the way to reducing smoking with those rising age-limit things anyway.

e -

If it was as widely addictive and non-fun as vaping is, then yeah probably

What does ‘widely addictive mean’? So coffee too then?

https://x.com/jamomartin/status/1764835134161793097?s=61&t=0JZcRltCkkWUPOYIuINbjQ

KingEup
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Bucky Fullminster posted:

Widely addictive means that it only takes a little taste for most users to become hooked.


Your understanding of the science is incomplete.

Nicotine is a drug of dependence. However, nicotine, when it is self administered in tobacco smoke has a different pharmacology to nicotine delivered independently of it:

I encourage you to read the entire paper: https://web.archive.org/web/20190220231122id_/http://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2996/16bd08991b4be42421e22361df00ab3338ae.pdf

Nicotine vaping is:

“vaping is in fact much less addictive than smoking” https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2...by-smoking.html

quote:

Vaping as a Cause of Nicotine Addiction
Vaping likely addicts some young people to nicotine. However, the evidence does not suggest it is addicting very large numbers.89 Jarvis et al. concluded that “Data . . . do not provide support for claims of a new epidemic of nicotine addiction stemming from use of e-cigarettes.”90 Jackson et al. recently reported that the e-cigarette‒driven increase in nicotine product use among high-school students is not associated with an increase in population-level dependence.89 Among tobacco-naïve youths, in addition to low vaping prevalence (9.1% in the past 30 days in 2020) and frequency (2.3% vaping ≥ 20 days in the past 30 days),91 small percentages exhibited signs of nicotine dependence.90

Frequent use is much more common among current or former smoking youths than among never-smokers.90 Many former smokers were already addicted to nicotine before initiating vaping. With high-school students’ smoking declining at an increasing rate since youths began using e-cigarettes,92,93 some may vape to reduce or quit smoking.
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2021.306416

KingEup
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Bucky Fullminster posted:

Cool, just quit then

I don’t think you understand the subject matter. ‘Addiction’ is a term used to describe a relationship or involvement with something that persists despite functional impairments and harm. That is why we don’t, in a clinical setting, describe people who are caffeine dependent as ‘addicted’. They are simply dependent and may not want to quit.

They may, however, be diagnosed with a substance use disorder if their relationship with substance persisted despite serious harm, like Larry here for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI7FkBoDxx4

KingEup
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GoldStandardConure posted:

how much is big vape paying you, and how can I get in on this?

as someone who had a lung transplant I think I would make a great spokesperson for Big Vape if it could pay off my mortgage

My position on vapes is well informed and supported by evidence which I have posted. Your position rests entirely on the shill gambit.

KingEup
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I work in a hospital. I have seen more damage caused by tobacco than you can imagine.

KingEup
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JBP posted:

Did they ban dry herb vaporisers for the consumption of vaporised dry herbs?

No but there are new regs if you want to import (it has to be for medicinal cannabis and only businesses are eligible for import licences).

KingEup fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 7, 2024

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Mola Yam posted:

bicycle paths

Great place to chuck your used disposable vapes.

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