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live with fruit posted:Doesn't she reform the brothel? I think this is what I'm confused by. She tries to reform the brothel. She has a violent confrontation with an aristocratic pretty tyrant. This idea that we don't know her thoughts on the subject makes no sense to me because we see her put those thoughts and ideas into action.
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The fact that she takes an interest in socialism matters less than the fact that she was able to pursue any interest with autonomy and without the permission of a man. That she's also able to apply it to make working conditions better to help raise up her fellow women workers is a bonus, showing that when she is out from under the thumb of a domineering male she is able to thrive and pay it forward. That socialism is also thematically relevant to breaking the bonds of systemic oppression is the cherry on top. We don't need to see her write a manifesto for it to be relevant to her journey.
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It's also set in a time period where socialism hadn't fully cohered around a Marxist conceptual framework, there were lots of competing visions. I believe in the book there's some discussion of Fabianism (as it would have been understood at the time)
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I'm kinda embarrassed to ask this, but how exactly does she reform the brothel? Feels i missed a very important beat!!
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Jay Rust posted:I'm kinda embarrassed to ask this, but how exactly does she reform the brothel? Feels i missed a very important beat!! It was a fairly weak beat, but she begins having consultative sessions with hand picked clients where she enforces her boundaries and makes the clients happier. iirc the other workers begin doing the same, rather than having no choice in the matter.
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Based on her earlier conversation about how the house should be run, the workers now choose clients/set prices so that revenue is shared equitably without any need for management and coercion. she lays out her idea explicitly but it's not stated in dialogue that these are the reforms they implemented, you just have to infer since we just see that the house is now run differently and toinette moves to london to live with bella.
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I thought this movie was garbage. I don't understand why her fiancee was okay with her going around to discover herself and gently caress everyone in sight Sets some weird expectations. Also at a meta level it feels like Stone literally sold her body to get awards, which I find kind of funny how she literally did soft-core porn to get nominated for awards lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) awesome-express fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Feb 9, 2024 22:26
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Every so often you read an opinion that makes you happy you experience the world in a different way. If your take away from this was Emma Stone sold her body to get awards, I'm sorry man.
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I assume that post is satire/trolling, but lol
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awesome-express posted:
The guy who groomed a child and tried to force her into an incredibly restrictive marriage either needs to have a pretty significant face turn, or get a well deserved comeuppance. Accepting her loving every other person under the sun is like the bare minimum of expectations
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Every so often you read an opinion that makes you happy you experience the world in a different way. If your take away from this was Emma Stone sold her body to get awards, I'm sorry man. I do appreciate the opinion of the boomer scrolling tiktok on his phone in front of me in the theatre making its way here.
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awesome-express posted:I thought this movie was garbage.
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I’m not trolling. The entire movie is weird and garbage. I get the plot points about grooming, controlling and toxic male figures. I just don’t think her way of dealing with that is good and the script sets some bizarre examples. I also think it’s arty farty hollywood elite yas queen garbage. But that’s like, just my opinion, man. awesome-express fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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awesome-express posted:I’m not trolling. The entire movie is weird and garbage. So you have issues with the way the movie deals with toxic masculinity, but you're also calling the lead actress "literally" a whore?
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awesome-express posted:I’m not trolling. The entire movie is weird and garbage. It does not set any "bizarre examples". It is completely fine for a woman to have a lot sex, or even do sex work if they want to, and also have a commited closed relationship. It is also fine for an actress to be nude on screen. You say "selling their body" as if that is bad thing, and to that I say, go gently caress yourself.
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I liked the movie but it's stuck at four stars for me because, and this us the issue with some character study movies, they have no way to end the movie in a way they feel confident with so they try to tack on a narrative climax that feels unnecessary. It makes sense when you read the book it's based on as that too doesn't really have an ending so they struggled with how to finish. It reminded me of Adaptation, not the ending as Adaptation's ending rules and makes perfect sense in context, but if trying to adapt The White Orchid and Brian Cox saying "that's not a movie". The other film that felt like this to me was Three Billboards. I wish more films took like the No Country for Old Men approach for an ending not feeling like a climax but a "well... poo poo". When the ending matches the narrative it works better. With that allsaud Emma Stone's winning all the awards and its incredible how the first act us so bizarre and honestly uncomfortable yet like the instant the second act starts the movie gets incredible.
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TURTLE SLUT posted:It does not set any "bizarre examples". It is completely fine for a woman to have a lot sex, or even do sex work if they want to, and also have a commited closed relationship. probably not for a baby to do those things though
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:probably not for a baby to do those things though My man have you tried Libertarianism
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awesome-express posted:I’m not trolling. The entire movie is weird and garbage. Just because something is "different" and you're not able to appreciate it, doesn't automatically make it bad. If you'd said "some of the way things are portrayed doesn't make sense to me, I don't like the was the film was shot for example and for that reason I don't like it" you get a much more receptive reply from people other than "lol it's different I don't get it so it's poo poo, I don't understand why Emma got her tatas out and that's the only thing I understand so that's how she got an award". I really want to check your post history but I fear it's a rabbit hole I may never return from.
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Ragnar Gunvald posted:Just because something is "different" and you're not able to appreciate it, doesn't automatically make it bad. If you'd said "some of the way things are portrayed doesn't make sense to me, I don't like the was the film was shot for example and for that reason I don't like it" you get a much more receptive reply from people other than "lol it's different I don't get it so it's poo poo, I don't understand why Emma got her tatas out and that's the only thing I understand so that's how she got an award". Maybe they watched Blonde and got them confused in the "this is exploitative abuse for awards" because that complaint works much better there.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:probably not for a baby to do those things though
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awesome-express posted:arty farty hollywood elite yas queen garbage. 
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I can't believe anyone can call this film 'arty farty elite garbage' considering it opens with a wee joke. Anyway I saw this on the weekend and it was a good movie! A fun one to see in a small theater and it was nice for the audience to loosen up. There were a few pacing issues, sure, and the final act dragged a bit and it doesn't help that it wasn't particularly funny. But that's minor quibbles for a good, fun-looking, entertaining movie. Yes, it has differences to the book, but some things you just have to play to the strengths of the medium. Regarding the 'rules' of Bella's maturation that some people seem to struggle with or get skeeved out by, I think a key point is that (while it operates on fantasy/fairytale logic) her mind is clearly meant to be consistently 'ahead' of her motor skills and vocabulary. Beyond the very start of the movie, she never mispronounces her words, she just doesn't have the necessary vocabulary to articulate her thoughts. Similarly, she doesn't toddle like a baby - she walks like a weirdo because she was raised in isolation and doesn't know that the way she's walking is 'wrong'. I think the dance scene displays this very clearly - she doesn't know the 'correct' way to dance, but she's in total control of her movements and body.
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I thought this was good (although I agree with everyone saying 20 minutes could have been cut from the second half). Even if some of the ideas are perhaps misses I just love anything that isn't afraid to throw them out there with such a fantastic synthesis of style and story. It reminds me a bit of Gene Wolfe's books.
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So who are the poor things?
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Jay Rust posted:So who are the poor things? In the book the phrase is used a lot, the "author" notes that it's used variously in almost every chapter, especially when Bella/Victoria is writing about the disenfranchised. I guess in the film you really only get Bella saying "poor Bella" IIRC, but you can infer socialistic tendencies from the rest of the movie
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I saw it tonight. I loved it. It’s been a while since I’ve been in a movie multiple people walked out of, which was also entertaining.
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I can’t believe this movie got a wide release. It’s so loving weird. All I could think was this goes straight to streaming if not for Stone and Ruffalo.
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Vegetable posted:I can’t believe this movie got a wide release. It’s so loving weird. All I could think was this goes straight to streaming if not for Stone and Ruffalo. Yeah, basically. I loved it but my first thought was basically delight at how weird it was, then how pretty it was.
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Were your screenings packed? The one I went to a few weeks after it was released was totally full, and this was on the night of a blizzard. People clapped at the end.
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Ccs posted:Were your screenings packed? The one I went to a few weeks after it was released was totally full, and this was on the night of a blizzard. People clapped at the end. It was packed where we saw it in the UK, which surprised me as it was a mid day screening during the week! The comments about it doing so well because of the actors are probably right, it's the whole reason I went to see it. But I loved the weird.
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Saw this tonight and it was fantastic start to finish. Emma deserves a win. Holy poo poo. Everyone was perfect.
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Ragnar Gunvald posted:It was packed where we saw it in the UK, which surprised me as it was a mid day screening during the week! I love both Ruffalo and Dafoe whenever they are in non-trash movies (not as often as they should be!) Just saw that Dafoe was in a le carré adaption with PSH, straight to the top of my watchlist
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oh I may have to watch that. I do love him. I recently showed my wife his role in Boondocks Saints and she loved it so much she keeps quoting him to me..
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As bad a rep as that movie's gotten (not without merit), it really is a ridiculously fun execution of a crime drama. Dafoe losing his god drat mind at the crime scene as he puts together what happened at each and we're shown it is so memorable. I'm not sure I've ever seen Dafoe in something and not loved his performance. Even this  https://vimeo.com/49333930 Mod edit: spoiler tagged Dafoe dong Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 3, 2024 |
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