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Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Leperflesh posted:

My initial enthusiasm for getting to put my tomb kings back on the field has been dampened considerably by several months of being unable to actually buy the rules for this game

I can order a UK copy on eBay for less than half the price of a US edition ($53 vs. $130), although add $25 in shipping and presumably a couple or three weeks for it to arrive. I also see listings from europe, japan, etc. lol everyone's aware that there's a severe shortage

but going to ebay for this new in-print game feels like letting Games Workshop get away with something somehow

if they can't supply the US customers with rulebooks then gently caress'm

Just use https://www.whfb.app/ .

This game is nigh unplayable as a beginner without the benefit of easily searchable and hyperlinked text anyway.

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Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
How do you feel about epubs? They put the game up on their digital store, probably because of the shortages.


Last I checked there were 4-5 copies in the various LGS's around me too. I can check if they're still there.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Geisladisk posted:

Just use https://www.whfb.app/ .

This game is nigh unplayable as a beginner without the benefit of easily searchable and hyperlinked text anyway.

neat

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

Lucinice posted:

oh sorry I misrembered.

It was that the murderous rule only applied to units using 1 hand and not 2, but witch elves only come with two so they can't use the rule. Looking at the PDF they did not fix it at all.


moths posted:

Murderous is still weirdly situational. A lot of DE get it who'll never use it, but it's a silver lining on the corner cases where you have to use a hand weapon.


I don't have a particular dog in this fight since I don't own or intend to buy any witch elves models. I don't feel that DE are a particularly strong army if you exclude their dragon option, but that's not based on any experience, I still haven't managed to actually play a game of Old World yet. But it's just so low-effort. Lots of other armies get rules which do widely apply, like Orcs get choppa bonuses when charging. Would it have made Witch Elves, Executioners and a few characters too good if they re-rolled 1s to wound with other non-magical weapons? Or even exclude characters, just give it to Witch Elves and Executioners as a bonus.

hoiyes
May 17, 2007

Issaries posted:

What is the even point then. :psyduck:
You can still roll a one! Also lots of these rules also ignore Lone model so it makes sense you can seek safety in rank and file.

Character sniping rules are lame as hell anyway, they shouldn't be reliable.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I've only had one game with them, but DE felt pretty solid overall. They're fast and killy, and feel satisfactorily mean.

I suspect Murderous originally applied to everything. That would feel overpowered, and restricting it to single hand weapons was a last minute balance fix.

That way it keeps some of the flavor without breaking the faction. But it doesn't make sense without the "before" photo.

Pure speculation though.

Witch Elves and Corsairs both have access to 2x hand weapons, which might be too good for regular+ troops if they're rerolling all their 1s.

soviet elsa
Feb 22, 2024
lover of cats and snow
I have been proxying my Evil Space Elves as Evil Regular Elves. They do end up playing well, even without official support. My main complaint is mostly that it is thematically silly to have to put away one of your weapons to use your Murderkill Extramurder Murderblade special rule.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
:pcgaming::smugwizard::pcgaming:




:pcgaming::smugwizard::pcgaming:


Group shots of the gang so far:






The wizard was a ton of fun to paint. I essentially went with whatever weird whim I had for color choice since it's what Tzeentch would do. Nice mix of techniques too. Wet blending, glazing, even a little stippling on the swirly green orb on the staff. All things I can take forward with this army.

I'm currently building more chaos warriors, but my next painting project will be 10 dogs. They should be nice and quick and they'll be see a lot of use as chaff garbage in my lists. Poor little guys.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
I need a vibe check - I want to get into TOW and I have a ton of Beastherd minis that aren't GW. In your own experiences, for local casual game store games, does anyone care as long as everything is based correctly for TOW?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The only place that will care is a GW store, IME.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Count Thrashula posted:

I need a vibe check - I want to get into TOW and I have a ton of Beastherd minis that aren't GW. In your own experiences, for local casual game store games, does anyone care as long as everything is based correctly for TOW?

LFGS will usually be chill afaik, just don't be That Guy that plays there but buys everything hobby related online. So if you just buy some paint or whatever in the shop now and then, you should be fine.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Count Thrashula posted:

I need a vibe check - I want to get into TOW and I have a ton of Beastherd minis that aren't GW. In your own experiences, for local casual game store games, does anyone care as long as everything is based correctly for TOW?

IME the OW community is even more accepting of 3rd party than AOS or 40k because a) it's all super generic fantasy stuff and b) you literally cannot buy like 80% of the models in the game from GW and even the ones they sell are all out of stock.

The overwhelming majority of OW armies I've seen posted in the discords I'm in are majority or entirely third party.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Sweet. Thanks all!

soviet elsa
Feb 22, 2024
lover of cats and snow
I would go so far as to say if your FLGS crowd demands official Games Workshop minis, you should find a different FLGS. The game is niche enough. More players is more better.

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

moths posted:

I've only had one game with them, but DE felt pretty solid overall. They're fast and killy, and feel satisfactorily mean.

I suspect Murderous originally applied to everything. That would feel overpowered, and restricting it to single hand weapons was a last minute balance fix.

That way it keeps some of the flavor without breaking the faction. But it doesn't make sense without the "before" photo.

Pure speculation though.

Witch Elves and Corsairs both have access to 2x hand weapons, which might be too good for regular+ troops if they're rerolling all their 1s.

Good to hear they're fun to play. It looks like Corsairs are rather second-best to spearman as a sort of core (relatively) cheap unit to hold the line, due to worse saves for higher cost, while Open Order is nice for mobility but worse for winning combats. But they're the only core infantry I've got so I'll be trying out a unit of 24 with the Banner of Har Ganeth. Hopefully they'll throw enough attacks to stay in the fight.

Acolyte!
Aug 6, 2001

Go! Rocket Kiwi! Go!
I wasn't sure where to ask about this since it's not Age of Sigmar. I work at a shop and we had a trade come in with some lead Oldhammer. I have no idea what era this is from, except that it's probably pre-1988, and my internet searching was fruitless. Does anyone know what is in this, aside from the obvious label which has zero info about it I can find? Someone wrote C42 on it in pen but that's Battlecars.

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

Acolyte! posted:

I wasn't sure where to ask about this since it's not Age of Sigmar. I work at a shop and we had a trade come in with some lead Oldhammer. I have no idea what era this is from, except that it's probably pre-1988, and my internet searching was fruitless. Does anyone know what is in this, aside from the obvious label which has zero info about it I can find? Someone wrote C42 on it in pen but that's Battlecars.



It looks like it's this, from that site the C series was 1983-1987

E looking again there's some wings in there too? So one of the other chaos monsters must be in there

https://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=C27_Chaos_Monsters_%28Citadel%29

ro5s fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Apr 11, 2024

Acolyte!
Aug 6, 2001

Go! Rocket Kiwi! Go!
It does appear to be C27. Thanks a lot!

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I've done a ton of researching-ancient-minis work in the past, so I am disappointed that ro5s saw your post first. lostminis is one of the key resources for doing that ID stuff because it has ranges of minis from several hundred companies, but anything made by citadel/GW is easy mode because there's also
http://www.solegends.com/citadel/index.htm
Stuff of Legends is specifically a citadel/GW focused site. Here's what it has for C27:
http://www.solegends.com/citc/index.htm
Click each C27 link to see both the catalog and sometimes photos of the minis themselves.

That's the guy with the axe and sword and two heads I believe, http://www.solegends.com/citc/c027troll/index.htm "Chaos Troll" and also either "Chaos Harpy" http://www.solegends.com/citc/c027harpy/index.htm or "Chimera" http://www.solegends.com/citc/c027chimera/index.htm. My money's on the harpy.

I think you already know this but all Citadel minis before 1988 contain lead. They're fine to handle, just wash your hands after before you put them in your mouth, and don't give them to kids.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Apr 11, 2024

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/14/sunday-preview-darkoath-marauders-old-world-orcs-and-more/

There are a ton of Old World models up for pre-order next week. We're looking at mostly orcs and goblins, but there are a number of bretonnian and tomb king models as well, such as Elisse Duchaard and the remastered casket of souls. There's also a bretonnian decal sheet which looks pretty good and I hope they put out more for some of the other factions.



The new AoS marauders are also dropping. There's no reason they can't be used for Old World as well. I know I'm planning on picking some up down the line, but I've got enough to work on for now.

whodunit
Mar 5, 2007
Bringing back the old Night Goblins is a vibe.

Maybe it's part of the expanded scope they mentioned a few weeks back?

Lucinice
Feb 15, 2012

You look tired. Maybe you should stop posting.

whodunit posted:

Bringing back the old Night Goblins is a vibe.

Maybe it's part of the expanded scope they mentioned a few weeks back?

it just seems like GW is anal about what models are meant for AOS or the TOW even if some of those models came from fantasy originally or would fit the setting

Also I'm just sittin here every day waiting for dwarf news, I NEED IT

Lucinice fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 14, 2024

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Yeah, somebody in a suit at GW who is very bad at business has decided that there can be no overlap between AOS and OW models. I'm sure they think it's a good idea. It's why Beasts got booted out of AOS.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Geisladisk posted:

Yeah, somebody in a suit at GW who is very bad at business has decided that there can be no overlap between AOS and OW models. I'm sure they think it's a good idea. It's why Beasts got booted out of AOS.

It's appearntly because the Main Studio, and the Specialist Studio have a rivalry that prevents them from synergizing. Namely that if you say buy some modern Chaos Warriors for use in Old World, only the main studio gets credit. It's why the Horus Hersey stuff stopped being useable in 40k, because buying that stuff for use in 40k was only giving credit to the Specialist Studio.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
I wonder if the reason why that neat new Orc shaman isn't on the release schedule yet, is cos of people like me who went "ooh that'd be a nice kruleboyz shaman - it's even got its own potgrot", setting off all the chips on all the shoulders

Marmaduke! fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Apr 14, 2024

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Marmaduke! posted:

I wonder if the reason why that neat new Orc shaman isn't on the release schedule yet, is cos of people like me who went "ooh that'd be a nice kruleboyz shaman - it's even got its own potgrot", setting off all the chips on all the shoulders

I thought the new shaman was already up.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
Nope. The special character shaman isn't up yet and considering we're just about to get Elisse Duchaard for Bretonnia it'll probably be a little bit longer. Maybe he'll drop alongside the made-to-order wave with all of the classic trolls.


I don't even play orcs and goblins (yet), but I need some of those stone trolls.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Also for some reason the plastic Orc bosses are not available in Canada are they available elsewhere?

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

MonsterEnvy posted:

Also for some reason the plastic Orc bosses are not available in Canada are they available elsewhere?

games workshop's distribution is hopelessly hosed

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Cease to Hope posted:

games workshop's distribution is hopelessly hosed

Not in an out of stock way, they are just not on the site. But from checking they are on the site (and in stock) on the UK site.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

MonsterEnvy posted:

Not in an out of stock way, they are just not on the site. But from checking they are on the site (and in stock) on the UK site.

yeah it's true for the US too. lots of TOS SKUs are just not listed for one country or another

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?

MonsterEnvy posted:

I thought the new shaman was already up.

Nah, and I just checked the GW webstore to see in case I was wrong, and jeez that was a chore and a half.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
The amount of asterisks at the bottom of a release article saying which countries are delayed on what part of an army are wild these days

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Yeah just checked the announcement

“These products have been delayed in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, the USA, and Canada.”

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Yeast posted:

The amount of asterisks at the bottom of a release article saying which countries are delayed on what part of an army are wild these days

This week is pretty tame, they only got up to **.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Exactly one month ago today a friend asked me if I wanted to play some Old World, it seemed neat and he had found his old minis deep in his basement. I replied that sadly I did not have a Old World army.

Since then I have painted many dwarves.





Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

I had a go at roughly combining Wargames Atlantic's Conquistadors kit with some old Empire bits I still had in a bits box, plus some crudely-made 25mm bases hacked out of milliput because the LGS was out of proper plastic bases. 25mm is the new standard for human models, right?



Figured I might continue on with this and try to make a more Spanish-themed Empire army. Maybe Marienburg? Sudenburg? Something out of Lustria?

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

Ofaloaf posted:

I had a go at roughly combining Wargames Atlantic's Conquistadors kit with some old Empire bits I still had in a bits box, plus some crudely-made 25mm bases hacked out of milliput because the LGS was out of proper plastic bases. 25mm is the new standard for human models, right?



Figured I might continue on with this and try to make a more Spanish-themed Empire army. Maybe Marienburg? Sudenburg? Something out of Lustria?

IIRC Estalia is warhammer notSpain so they’d be a good choice

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Geisladisk posted:

Exactly one month ago today a friend asked me if I wanted to play some Old World, it seemed neat and he had found his old minis deep in his basement. I replied that sadly I did not have a Old World army.

Since then I have painted many dwarves.







Hell yeah, that's some progress :popeye:


The purple scheme looks great. If I have one complaint it's that the third party guys kind of tower over the GW sculpts which is an odd thing to say for dwarfs. Those look like the Skull Pass models and they were tiny to begin with. It won't be that noticeable at table level though.

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Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

God I hate those empire lion face shields that came with the 6e box set. They've always bothered me because the Empire always used heater, kite and buckler shields, but for 6e all of a sudden the starter box packed them with giant dome shields with lion iconography which has nothing to do with anything imperial. Just baffling imo

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