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I don't know much about Vince outside of the Mr. McMahon character, but what I do know tracks pretty well with the start of that document. Being forever scarred for living eight years in a trailer park and all that. I'm pretty sure one interview or another Vince has suggested that his own mother probably had the hots for him, or some other equally cringe statement that had big "if Ivanka wasn't my daughter I'd be dating her" energy. What's surreal reading through it is how much of the red flags come through due to me being a viewer, as though my understanding of predator signals is informed by watching too many 'Mr. McMahon' segments on the show over too many years which wouldn't come through to this lady who didn't know who he is. All I'm saying is if you're a female viewer, and VKM is giving you hugs and whispering about how good it feels, there's too much truth-in-fiction to not be able to read where that's going. The mystery of Corporate Executive #2 is interesting as it shows how few figures fans know outside the locker room and board. The closest thing to a high ranking non-board member involved in hiring is Regal, but he's more talent roster/PC stuff similar to JR in the day, who didn't really have time to visit the office with all his commentator duties. Most fitting person among people I'm aware of would be Mark Carrano. Executive #4 (who seemed to know what was going on immediately and didn't like it) is someone who left in the 2020 shuffling. Mark Kowal comes to mind as someone who worked there a long time in similar departments and left that year. Masturbating Referee's departure from the company lines up with Chioda, but I don't even like insinuating that because even if I can believe Vince wrote those horny texts with awful 4chan writing, remember we're not certain Vince wasn't making poo poo up when he allegedly wrote them. Part of the control and manipulation here is making her feel like everyone in the company sees her as a public prostitute, and so I doubt he was actually talking about her with as many people as he allegedly said he was if he didn't want this to blow up in his face. At one point he's saying "thousands of people" know about her as a sexual conquest, which again feels like he's eroding her self-image with these gangbang fantasies so that being shared by his inner circle of guys we're all familiar with comes easier. The biggest headache for the company is how well Executive #1 fits Triple H. Feels likely that the company settles so that it ends with Vince and we don't get into the weeds of naming who is who.
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I haven't followed wrestling in a very long time. Is the Wrestlenomics guy credible? https://wrestlenomics.com/2024/01/26/vince-mcmahon-sex-trafficking-lawsuit-says-other-executives-knew-of-exploitation-can-tko-remove-him/ quote:It’s unclear if TKO, which is controlled by Endeavor, can unilaterally force McMahon out of his role as Executive Chairman. If the parent of WWE and UFC want him gone, it may need to convince him to resign.
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Timby posted:Kevin Dunn was on the Executive Committee of WWE's Board of Directors for a very, very long time in addition to being the EVP of production (it was one of the things that insulated him from Triple H and Steph attempting to execute a putsch against him). Executive 1 being Dunn and Executive 2 being Mark Carrano (whose toadying to Vince while getting on the bad side of everyone else became public after the Mickie James trash bag fiasco) seems possible. Both seem like guys Vince would think he could trust with secrets. bloodysabbath posted:Chris Jericho has to be sending the world’s biggest, most lavish fruit basket to Vince right now. Or if you want to be funny, Bret Hart. mkay0 posted:Will be fascinating to see what happens to HHH going forward. This could be corporate skullduggery where there was a decision that Vince had to go and people inside helped provide access and details about corporate dealings. If they did, they would want to not be identified in the filing. In other words, it's just as possible Trips helped bury Vince here. Maybe I just want to believe this company will stop being slime toward people, but I still think it makes more sense Vince trusts Dunn with this than the guy who could tell Steph, who could tell Linda. EDIT: There's also the part where HHH nearly died of heart failure around the time of the NDA stuff. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jan 27, 2024 |
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Pylons posted:Executive 1 is named as a board member, Dunn wasn't on the board. Neither was Carrano, as far as I can tell. Executive 2 wasn't a board member, so that doesn't disqualify Carrano. Dunn has been on the board in the past and this suit puts his selling of stock in 2022 in a new light. STONE COLD 64 posted:Read the affadavit. They are text messages sent FROM vince. Its his own words from his own phone. The point is that Vince is a known bullshitter with a specialty in humiliation fiction. Just because Vince says he was sharing porn with someone who matches Mike Chioda's profile does not mean that Twitter should burn Chioda's house down. Some of these unnamed people were not cited to have direct contact with the accuser at all. They just were roped into it because Vince said he was roping them in, but he also said "thousands of people" knows that she's a slutty bad girl as part of his effort to humiliate her and soften her to more abuse. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jan 27, 2024 |
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MassRafTer posted:One thing that feels important to post is that a core argument of the lawsuit is that knowledge of this abuse was widespread in the company and there is a culture of sexual misconduct in WWE. This is not a case about a few bad apples but a company culture that permits it to happen, and based on some of the evidence cheerleads it. None of those people gave their names, but then there was the Chatterton case back in, uh, 88?
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MassRafTer posted:What are you talking about? I'm saying that the anonymous accusations may not carry much weight with people in vacuum, but this has happened before and happened again since.
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Pylons posted:Someone brought up an interesting point. If Triple H wasn't read up on the lawsuit, why did he cancel Brock's creative for the Rumble? Didn't read the lawsuit, did read the Wall Street Journal? I guess Lesnar's old enough that the draw isn't what it was and it doesn't matter what happens to him, but he really is the "my standards for you were low, but holy poo poo" man.
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MassRafTer posted:Goldberg noted other issues with the NDA, among them that the copy Grant filed in federal court in Connecticut wasn’t actually signed by McMahon in either his personal capacity or role as then-chair of WWE; normally, all parties would receive an executed copy of the contract. Always knew that Goldberg would be the end of Vince eventually
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Just to chime in on the Pat Patterson stuff, did he probably ever sexually assault a man in the current use of the term? I'm going to say 'probably', because he was gay in an era when men were using truck stops to get it on anonymously, and fleeing from the cops after some long-hauler who got felt up made a call. The state of the business during his career was still in that ultra-carny form and that sort of travelling circus usually draws people with sordid backgrounds looking to start over; it certainly wasn't a clean business at any level. I just don't know that many gay dudes born before 1970 who didn't engage at some point in life in some sort of sexual impropriety while living a frustrated life in the closet, even if it's something like catching a glimpse of a naked man in the shower; and living out of the closet often meant you were trying to denote yourself as available for all these closeted men out there and willing to risk the repercussions that came for it (fewer SA lawsuits, more slurs and fistfights). What I'm getting at this is I personally can sleep at night while using a double standard to judge the life of a gay dude in the 60s or even the 80s, I understand if you can't because it sucks but that's a product of the wider intolerance more than anything because obviously it's less widespread now than it was when just being gay and sexually active was as illegal as any other sex crime in many places. (I don't believe it's any excuse for pedo poo poo, obviously.) Vince OTOH did all of the stuff mentioned in the suit in the wake of the Weinstein thing, and likewise after Steve Wynn resigned from his casino business for similarly using the company's cash to give payments to an employee he was allegedly imposing for sexual favors. There is no excuse other than I guess he thought "unlike those guys I'll get away with it." Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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davidbix posted:Literally nobody was talking about clumsy anonymous public restroom hookups. We weren't even talking about a witness telling the INS in the mid-1960s that Patterson was regularly patronizing street hustlers who were "young boys," which I don't think can be taken at face value for a number of different reasons. We're talking about specific allegations about Patterson from the late 1970s through his 1992 WWF resignation, almost all of which involved him being in a position of power over his accusers. Thank you for all the information that definitely moves it from 'probably' to 'well yeah', but for the majority of that it kind of its into what I'm saying was that from the fifties to the end of Reaganism, being gay in large parts of the country was illegal, and in the context of that era you either lived in a big city with a queer scene or you lived essentially in the darkness and frequently did things that were Not Good, and would still be illegal today but also back then your entire existence was illegal. Gay men from that generation often had a reputation/stereotype for unwanted advances and attempted assaults, in large part due to coming of age in a time where you had to break rules because the rules were written so that you died lonely and alone. A good number of men were from that men are/were molesters, but the system at the time was producing molesters. That said, you don't need an act of a legislature to tell you to not be sexually involved with children; that's just some good old human consciousness where what's right and wrong is evident and law only provides specifics. Like I said, it's a double standard, and I was just explaining why I personally process it that way and I understand it sucks and some people aren't going to like it. I just think if one is coming into a thread like this and excusing sexual assault, and I'm not going to disavow my thought exercise could be charged as such, then you need to be really loving clear about the reasons. I certainly don't think Patterson is any angel but a lot of that is not inconsistent with gay men of that era. It's not my generation, but I grew up in a neighborhood around old generation gays (I later realized who they were because my parents gave me non-specific warnings about being alone with them) that I'm well aware of how decades of being designated as mentally deranged outlaws for their sexuality affected their behavior. That groomer ring announcer can burn, though. I'm grateful to not be a part of that era. The mid to late 90s were already scary enough. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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