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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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If anything this is just making me want a Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors / Battle of Samar / general Leyte Gulf miniseries.

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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Yeah the sudden explosion was too Hollywood. It didn't make sense since there was no foreshadowing of it, as all the foreshadowing was the "we're about to smash into the earth and you need to get out of the plane"

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Eau de MacGowan posted:

it's hard to build suspense about your main character maybe getting ned starked in episode 4 when there's footage of him freezing in a POW camp in the intro

Cinematic rule number 3: Doubt until you see a body, and even then sometimes doubt.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Cojawfee posted:

Sometimes war breaks people in a way where it's the only place they feel like themselves. I've seen plenty of posts in /r/veterans where people post about how they wish they could deploy again because they don't feel like they fit in regular world.

The Hurt Locker is good for this.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Flikken posted:

Surface Warfare might be a tall task to convert to screen because of the distances involved.

Both Das Boot and Battleship had different but equally great takes on how to do Naval Warfare well. Its entirely possible to do it well given a competent production team.

I have no faith in Hollywood hiring a competent production team instead of a bunch of consultant committees but a man can dream.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Arc Hammer posted:

Just go with the battle off Samar and have USS Johnston lead a destroyer charge against the fricking Yamato.

For context, since this is TVIV instead of one of the coldwar/history threads:

Here is the start of The Operations Room's four part series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIrBqsn0WCY

Leyte Gulf - Battle of the Sibuyan Sea
Leyte Gulf - Battle of Surigao Strait
Leyte Gulf - Battle off Samar (1/2)
Leyte Gulf - Battle off Samar, USS Johnston Fights to the Death (2/2)

This is a dude with essentially the CGI level of a 1998 grog strategy video game making a compelling 80 minute narrative.

M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Feb 14, 2024

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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I'd imagine painting it would also help mitigate some of the polished metal reflection that makes you easier for enemy guns to spot you.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Did you see a body? No?

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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I imagine that with the limitations of 1943 navigation, deviating from your waypoints to do some wild maneuverers is gonna cost you fuel, altitude, and location uncertainty. Imagine trying to fly 300 miles dead reckoning but your starting location is +/- 40 miles.

Not as much of a worry with short range fighters, as the inaccuracies don't add up as much when you're in sight of England or the bomb group you're escorting.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Speed, time, a slide rule, and the occasional visual landmark.

Radio beacon navigation was the new cool thing in 1943 with LORAN and Gee, but those weren't widespread or ubiquitous.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Jehde posted:

This would hamper the illusion of America Won WW2 that Amblin always clutches to.

America won world war two in Europe with lend lease as much as with blood.

D-Pad posted:

I'm reading Neptune's Inferno after a rewatch of The Pacific and seeing it mentioned in this thread. I know I have the benefit of hindsight and a book giving the actual tactical picture that they didn't always have at the time but goddamn I am getting mad reading about some of the stupid decisions these admirals are making.

What books can you recommend that cover the marine's pacific campaign similar to this one?

Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors is always a must.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Yeah, let Buck and Bucky be some of the main supporting characters, and you get to cut to their planes on occasion, like you end an episode with them not returning, and the next episode shows what happened to them. Since besides being pretty the bucks have like one episode worth of real content each.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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I was that tired about twice in my whole military career and nobody gave me any good drugs. Not even once. Nobody gets the good drugs anymore these days!

On a third and more notable occasion I started laughing and then couldn’t stop. I started laughing at my own laughter, then at people pointing out the absurdity of my continued mirth, then at them calling everyone else around over to the box to check up on this insane idiot and ask if they thought I was having a mental breakdown. This went on for about 2.5 hours straight without a break and by the end I was laughing at my inability to breath until I finally just wound down like a battery.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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GolfHole posted:

Masters of the Air made me want to watch other war-setting movies and I stumbled on Periscope Down and it's actually pretty good.

Assuming you mean Down Periscope rather than confusing Watership Down

Down Periscope is the most accurate of all navy movies, if the question is what is life on a submarine actually like.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Besides the Milhist Thread there is also the Coldwar/Airpower Thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3910801

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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I'm still kinda amazed that they got the CGI for the bombing wrong in a show about bombers.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Its one things to get the major props wrong when you're borrowing the few remaining real life versions for filming. Its another entirely when you make them from scratch and mostly digitally.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Lot of Ambrose level takes ITT. While the Russian Army was by no means bad, they were not all that great in 1945 either.

There were a lot of records destroyed or rewritten in the postwar years in order to make the USSR appear stronger than it was, in the same vein of the political purges. Historical truth was not valued and the propaganda was practically cranked up to Helldivers level.

The great Georgy Zhukov himself and Operation Mars is a pretty solid example. While the push to retake Stalingrad was beginning to succeed Zhukov led the red army into bloody losses in the Rzhev. Over 14 months they lost 350,000, nearly 7:1 against the entrenched Germans.

Stuff like that was conveniently left out of the post war recollection and skewed academic review for decades after.

The Soviet Army's sprint west was hardly well organized or efficient. They left a trail of pillaged towns in Poland and East Germany and were recordably warcriming their asses off against both the German armed forces and the populace in general.

They had mass and momentum, more troops, more tanks, and a lot of rage to work out. They were fighting a Germany on the backheel, having expended the majority of its manpower and resources maintaining the war as long as they had. The Soviet Army did not have enough food, or organization, or logistical backbone to be called "the best" at all.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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The biggest American world history fault is massively underselling the scope of the Eastern front. The cost to both sides was astronomical and American media doesn't like the facts because its not flashy or patriotic, and Soviet media didn't like it because... it wasn't flashy or patriotic!

M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 19, 2024

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Oct 16, 2006

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Mr. Grapes! posted:

^ Right.

The scene in the movie Fury is laughable because Brad Pitt and his friends all decide to stay and defend their stricken Sherman because the old girl has been with them so long. No loving way it was.

Even without the pedantic nerdery of knowing their specific Sherman was a later war model, and that the US just abandoned its tanks in Africa rather than bring them to Europe, there's no way tank crews were getting that romantic about a vehicle that they can ditch and just get a replacement, especially when they know the war is almost over.

Veteran tank crews were considered far more valuable than their actual tank, which was gonna break down or get smashed up pretty quickly in an active campaign.

Did you even watch that movie?

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