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Stegosnaurlax posted:They didn't really go into the reasons why beyond it's suicide. The british had a lot of bomber types, the war office threw any design with wings past the prototype stage. But only had two bombers that could reach 20 thousand feet, and they weren't exactly fast or particulary durable. Turns out it's suicide no matter what you're in if you don't have fighter escort all the way in, though. Pretty sure the RAF would be doing the same thing if they had B-17s. The Lancaster also carried a rather larger bomb load (at the expense of defensive armament, which as we have just been seeing in this series only gets you so far) - about twice that of a B17. They were the backup option for carrying nukes to Japan if the B-29 hadn't panned out for that reason. Edit: also in the show's defence, they don't say the Norden bombsight is super amazing tech, just that the USAAF thinks it is. Which is absolutely true, they wouldn't even share it with the RAF. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Chair In A Basket posted:This is correct, and history has shown that anyone who does it any other way should be shot in the head. So maybe get on board, folks. I know this show doesn't show the RAF in the best light but this still seems a bit harsh.
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joepinetree posted:There is also an issue of overclaiming kills. It's not as if there was a way to separate who was shooting at whom. Yeah to double down on this, you cannot trust kill counts claimed by pilots of the time, they are always wildly inaccurate as we can see postwar when we get to see the opposite side's loss records. It's the same reason the Luftwaffe thought Britain must be down to its last few dozen fighters and were on the verge of victory earlier on in the Battle of Britain and oops no turns out there's lots left still.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, I know people get salty when WW2 productions act like America won the war on its own, but in a way, it kinda did Err. This is exactly why people get salty when Americans act like America won the war on its own.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:They could also aim for Portugal because it was neutral and still was friendly with the allies (and nazis), but that was probably a poo poo load harder And involves going through Spain anyway, unless you get a boat from France or something I suppose - more practical back when Vichy was still an independent but satellite state, but the Nazis have occupied it by now.
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SuperTeeJay posted:“Masters of the Air” is an odd title for a show about bomber crews being slaughtered. Maybe the Masters of the Air were the Luftwaffe ~makes u think~
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Attack on Princess posted:If you'll indulge me, how well does it hold up when they show other parts of the world? The Oxford bits are actually shot in Oxford, it was quite fun spotting the back entrance to my old college. As long as you're careful where you shoot, yeah, the old bits haven't changed in 500 years, so no accuracy problems there really.
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Perestroika posted:What, you don't think that the Air Force should have its own army which in turn needs its own tanks? How are you supposed to defend your *coughs slightly at the US Navy having its own Army (yes yes separate branch but that's its origin) which in turn has its own Air Force*
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Jerusalem posted:I still remember watching Schindler's List and seeing the scenes where the Jewish people's luggage is just being piled up in huge abandoned stacks as they go through their stuff to pull out the valuables, and it kind of hit me like a thunderclap of,"What the gently caress did they think was happening to the owners of this stuff if they were doing this with their belongings?" Before the war, Jewish people were actively being encouraged to emigrate from Germany - as long as they paid an exit tax which was basically 'all your money' but not at the time also 'and your life'. Main problem in leaving there was that other places (the UK and US for example) refused to accept Jewish immigrants - an opposition to immigration/asylum seekers not at all being something that also has resonance today, nosirree.
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Orange Devil posted:This is just not true. The terror was reserved for the occupied countries, not Germany itself. What on earth are you talking about. The first concentration camps were set up in 1933, obviously for Germans. Say the wrong thing around the wrong person in Germany and you get the Big Knock on your door at 3am and end up in front of these guys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Court_(Germany) A bunch of Germans backed the Nazis - that's how this system worked! - but claiming those who didn't weren't terrorised is some bullshit. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Apr 8, 2024 |
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:I don’t know how far into this you want to get, but by and large Germans supported the Nazis until Spring 1945, the Gestapo operating within Germany was tiny, most cases were started by Germans informing on their neighbours, and most sentences (of Germans) were a slap on the wrist. Being part of the SPD (you know the mainstream leftwing party, millions of voters) before 1933 wasn't good for your health either. You are writing off a hell of a lot of people with that 'most Germans were just fine with the Nazis' there. You don't need more than say 20% of the population to be willing to inform and if everyone else keeps their head down because they don't want to be dragged off to a concentration camp, that is terror. NB BTW I am not disagreeing that a bunch of Germans supported the Nazis and a bunch more were happy enough to go along as long as the Nazis were winning. I just object to the idea of the German Volk as a whole/vast majority being happily and willingly Nazi supporters. That, ironically, is exactly the line Nazi propaganda pushed. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Apr 8, 2024 |
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:e: someone brought up the emigration tax already, but the Nazis were very happy to assist dissidents in leaving their country before 1940, because they could take all of their stuff. Obviously later they were brutal to emigres captured in Paris or, God forbid, the USSR, but that hardly represents the median (gentile, noncommunist) German. That someone was in fact me.
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