The Spielberg WWII Cinematic Universe

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skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Yeah im gonna agree with the thread, good visuals and some scenes but very inconsistent writing and weird decisions with what they depict.

The Tuskegee air man storyline should have been running by mid season and yeah, they all should meet in the POW camp. Could have even worked in the Battle of Bamber Bridge and did some Commentary and maybe make a buzz like how Watchmen depicted the Tulsa Massacre, but that would get in the way of the American hagiography since that would put the US and Germany at parity. Indeed, I kind of want to make a saucy gif of the flag scene by playing it in reverse, they put the flag back together, remove the American one, and put the Nazi flag back, Slaughterhouse 5 style.

I did enjoy the POW camp scenes, it�s been a long long time since those were depicted anywhere, maybe even since the 1963 Great Escape, which was also cool that it was mentioned.

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 06:00

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

twistedmentat posted:

An enemy at the gates based on the book would be great. There's way more going on besides the sniper duel and also maybe set some ideas about the way the soviets fought the war straight?

Lol no way, there aren't any Americans to wax poetic about the war there.

Operations torch/husky/ Invasion of mainland Italy as the name escapes me right now would be good, plus you get Americans to center the show on. The Italian front always feels forgotten in ww2 stuff, Churchill "soft underbelly of europe" that was made of stone.

Did the british have any decent intelligence during the war or did they just do planning by vibes of the upper classes?

Yeah Italian campaign movies dried up in by the 60s . You�d think they�d have staying power due to the Italian Americans but I guess since Italy was a bloody stalemate until VE Day, it doesn�t lend itself to the narratives they want to present.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2024 15:27

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Arc Hammer posted:

Saving Private Ryan handled Army Rangers, BOB is Paratroopers, Pacific is the Marine Corps, MOA is the Airforce. That leaves tankers in the armor divisions, and I could see a story following the 1st Armored Division from Tunisia to Italy.

You could even name the show "Old Ironsides" after the division's nickname.

Fury did tanks recently and there was that Tom
Hanks show about destroyer escorts also on Apple TV

# ¿ Mar 17, 2024 18:53

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

The POW camp liberation scene was pretty dumb. First, typically the guards would either just walk away once it was clear the Allied army was coming, surrender to the army, or even surrender to their own prisoners. The writing was on the wall in April 1945 and the attitude was much closer to the guys in Holland standing around at their flak guns doing nothing. Secondly, they weren't doing mass executions of western allied POWs which thirdly, they got into the machine gun tower and then didn't kill the guy there?

Also the machine gunner fired an MG-42 into a crowd and seemingly hit nobody, with a weapon notorious for cutting people in half. Speaking firing machine guns into a crowd, a P-51 probably is not going to try and strafe a POW camp with a ton of people standing around, .50 caliber bullets overpenetrate concrete let alone wooden shacks and tents. I understand narrative needs but that was just excessive.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2024 00:55

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Eason the Fifth posted:

Hmm, kind of a wet fart in a lot of parts that werent in the sky im sorry to say, but the show has reminded me how good The Great Escape and Stalag 17 are, so 2.5 thumbs up (out of 5 thumbs total)

Yeah it feels like a throwback. It's been a long time since WW2 POW camps were depicted.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2024 02:47

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Eau de MacGowan posted:

the two episodes where the masters of the air do stuff in the air are legitimately great

Right? I felt the actual bomber stuff fell off by midseason and it was just Crosby dating people and POW stuff from then on. Catch-22 seems like it has about as many in-bomber scenes.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2024 08:22

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

The historicity of Rosie dropping on top of Soviets and getting to see death camps firsthand aside, the scene where the POWs cross paths with a cattle car was legitimately horrifying and got the point across a lot harder.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2024 20:18

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Idk, I think there�d way too much emphasis on the 6th and then the whole rest of the campaign gets left. There�s hardly anything from the later parts like Cobra let alone the Falaise Pocket

# ¿ Mar 21, 2024 20:21

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

twistedmentat posted:

One of the funny things about Nazis is they idolized british high culture and tried to emulate them, including having fox hunts. I'm imagining the goons that made up the Nazi inner circle trying to chase a fox through the woods with a very poor showing of horsemanship.

Probably didn't even have the right kind of waistcoat, the absolute cads.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 18:47

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Jerusalem posted:

Yep, looks like he does it twice, I guess to hammer home the point though I think it's a little redundant. Here's the scene from Bastogne:

https://i.imgur.com/O6TUc11.mp4

"We're pulling back" he says, even though he gave no order and didn't communicate this in any way to the others, he just... left!

Again, from my understanding, Dike was really done dirty by the portrayal in the series, apparently in a similar fashion to Blithe where Ambrose wrote based on the recollections/perceptions of the Easy Company men which were either wrong or heavily weighted by personal factors.

Forest's haunted!

But sir?

Forest's haunted!

Oasx posted:

How realistic are the medical treatments portrayed in BoB? It feels a little odd for someone to sustain a major wound with a ton of bleeding, and then a shallow bandage on top of several layers of clothes is supposed to help them.
I know that this is the best you can do in the field of battle, but that bandage sometimes felt a bit too effective.

Some of that powder they put on the wounds is a coagulant, to stem the bleeding.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2024 20:01

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

vuk83 posted:

That powder is sulfa powder, an antibiotic.

Anti coagulation powders were first patented in 1989.

Gotcha, my bad

# ¿ Mar 26, 2024 21:11

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

plus intellectual knowledge is nothing compared to actually witnessing it - even if you just know conceptually, you won�t care half as much as if you�re there, and less still if you haven�t been affected at all. out of sight, out of mind and in many ways, out of true comprehension.

People go their entire lives knowing about most every detail of the Holocaust and the camps, and the experience of being at a camp the first time still takes their breath away, and that's after they've been shut down for decades.

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 06:00

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

twistedmentat posted:

I've been rewatching Band of Brothers, and as always, i noticed new stuff. Like Hall, the guy who joins Easy to take the German guns, thats Moriarty from Sherlock. But the main thing I noticed is everyones always going "Has anyone seen Lt Meehan?" and unlike the members of Easy, the audience knows what happened to him. The last you see of him and his plane, is him going to Simon Pegg who needs to do something for him, but then it cuts to the plane getting it, and its the one that goes down in flames. I had never noticed that before.

Though I have a few questions, first, what was in that mystery bag they spring on them at the last moment? I googled around and all i could find was the contents of their regular bag. Though a question I've always had, what is Nixons job? He doesn't lead troops, he is pretty much shown just advising and observing. I always figured he is either the supply or intelligence officer.

Another thing I realized that the aid station in Bastonge, the destruction of it is summed up with the nurses headwrap, but you then realize, everyone who was in there was dead. All the soldiers who were wounded, from the ones that were near death to the ones that were just wounded in a way that just meant they couldn't fight, all gone.

It's also making me realize why the Pacific and even more so Masters of the Air, failed. They tried to tell too many stories. This one show couldn't just tell a single story in a global spanning war, but it had to be the story of that war. Trying to do too much, and then just loosing focus on the story they wanted to tell. As was said in an earlier post, there's 2 hang out episodes of the pacific, both centered on Leckie, and they come way to quickly. You barely know this guy, he's a bit of a jerk, thinks he's smarter and everyone, but you don't get the sense he's really been through hell, even though in reality he had been. No, they wanted to tell the story of US servicemen in Australia and so we needed an episode devoted to that. But they also wanted to show how mental illness was handled by the US military, so thats an episode. And we need to get another episode of Bastilone back in the US to show how being a hero is empty and he longs to get back into the fight even though he gets to bang Anna Torv on the reg.

Masters of the Air does start strongly, with a focus on bomber missions and the drama of the flight there and back, but then it decides its about POWs and then the Tuskegee Airmen.

He was the S-2, or intelligence officer. While I was doing a fact check, I saw he became the operations officer after Market Garden.

And yeah, I was stoked for MoA to be about you know, the bombers, and then it became a POW show. I've said before ITT it was kinda cool to get a POW story since it hadn't been done in probably decades, but I thought this was going to be about the bombers.

I'm sure many posters excited about MoA played the 2000 game B17 Mighty 8th, did anyone else play the 2002 Codemasters game Prisoner of War? You were a bomber crew member that got shot down and ended up in POW camps and had to sneak around to gather stuff in order to escape.

# ¿ May 9, 2024 04:44

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