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Generally speaking you don't want to land a plane with explosives or highly flammable external fuel tanks on board. They're designed to take off with those installed but landing is always trickier. Fighter planes with fuel pods for example often had a designated drop point just ahead of the runway for their spent pods so they could he collected and reused.
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The big thing for me that affects the show right now is the use or misuse of music. Band of Brothers makes a very conscious decision to not play music during the action sequences and The Pacific plays music only once during battle when Basilone dies at Iwo Jima. Cutting the music and letting the sounds of battle speak for themselves goes a long way towards making the fights terrifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrw_uMWlgI It creates a nice juxtaposition between the heroic swell of the music when they take off in episode 1 to the stark reality of combat and the helplessness of paratroopers during a drop in Episode 2. Music is language. If you can say the same thing in one sentence vs five, then the one will do. The music in the bombing scenes in episode 1 feels like the four extra sentences repeating the "feel tension now!" of the first sentence. Also not really feeling the main theme song just yet. Band of Brothers has an iconic theme that's instantly recognizable. The Pacific has a theme that invokes the Band of Brothers style but doesn't quite hit it. I can't really pin down Masters of the Air's theme besides being a Greatest Hits of Music for the Greatest Generation with all the mournful brass and layered strings you expect from a WW2 score. That all being said, I did enjoy the first episode a good bit. The actual operation of a B17 was really fascinating to watch and I appreciated the interceptors being FW-190s rather than BF-109s because I'm a nerd like that.
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Chubby Henparty posted:Remembering the movie or show where a parachute comes down in the village and the wellbeing of the guy is just about as important as the scramble to salvage the silk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEhBnl16zAQ Thanks awfully, old chap.
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Jan 29, 2024 14:25
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There'll be a Black Thursday Raid episode that will act as the catalyst for the "hey we need fighter coverage for the entire run" mindset.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:46
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Jan 30, 2024 02:34
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I feel like Tom Hanks hero worship of servicemen has only increased over the years despite the rough violence of The Pacific.
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Jan 30, 2024 23:31
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I'm watching SAS Rogue Heroes alongside Masters of the Air. Content and tone notwithstanding it is a stark difference between the location shooting in Morocco and the desert compared to the CGI compositing in Masters of the Air. I don't know what the budget for a 6 episode BBC miniseries is compared to an Apple TV Original but they sure as hell knew how to spend it because Rogue Heroes looks incredible.
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Jan 31, 2024 02:17
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MrMojok posted:This is a great watch. Just finished the series this evening. Very entertaining and of course when a German tank shows up in Africa it's an M60. Some things never change.
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Jan 31, 2024 05:12
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Stegosnaurlax posted:WW2 Movies using the wrong tanks dressed up as the right tanks is dying art. A bridge Too Far using Landrovers and Volkswagens with plastic shells on them should be the gold standard until the end of time. It'll always be the T(iger)-34s from Kelly's Heroes for me, love it whenever those show up. But really, I was happy to see a Patton in Rogue Heroes because it reminded me of Patton where all the tanks are played by Pattons regardless of whose Patton they're Patton-ing.
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I wonder if any of the Spanish Buchons will make an appearance as 109s intercepting the bombers. It would be nice.
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Jan 31, 2024 19:59
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A quarter century and the systematic destruction of the VFX industry does that.
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Laughing Zealot posted:One would think that all the postponement due to covid would have given the fx studios time to polish the cgi. More time really wouldn't fix the problems that are currently wrecking the VFX industry. There's this production mindset that cgi can just fix things with a button press, so people keep slamming that button repeatedly causing work to pile up for CGI artists to try and keep up with changing studio requirements. There's also the problem that a lot of directors know sweet gently caress all about how to actually use VFX tools. The Volume Soundstage is an incredible tool when used properly. We have CGI tools now that can make phototealistic images, static or in motion. It's all about how they're used, and modern day production bloat means they're usually used in an extremely shoddy, expensive and wasteful manner.
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The important distinction about The Pacific is that it draws from two different sources: Leckie's autobiography "Helmet for my Pillow" and Sledge's book "With the Old Breed at Peleliu and Okinawa", compared to the single Ambrose book for BOB. So you've got two quite different takes on the war with one starting in 1942 and the other in 1944. I dont mind the first few episodes of The Pacific but episode 5 onwards is when Sledge's memoirs take center stage and the show gets much better and far more horrific. The swelling heroism doesn't survive the beach landing at Peleliu and even the last Basilone episode strips away at his mythic status by making him just another Iwo Jima casualty. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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So it wasn't the Black Thursday Raid yet, but it was the first Regensburg-Schweinfurt Raid on August 17, which was nearly as bad. They kept calling out FW-190s attacking them and at one point I did see a 190 in the air, so they haven't been wrongly identifying Messerschmitts (though most of the enemy fighters are 109s from what I saw). However it looked like a long-nosed FW-190D version, which would be about a year too early for the raid. Nitpicking though, because this was definitely the best episode so far. Putting it almost entirely in the air certainly helped. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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Yeah definitely some A5s but I swear I saw a D9 when Gale is staring out and watching the entire formation get shredded in front of him.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:I looked, but i couldn't find it. Yeah, it was 25:56 I was looking at and you're right it's a 109 that just looks a bit weird from the angle and speed.
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joepinetree posted:Also, I wish that the remaster of the old b-17 game that they are doing wasn't so buggy and glitchy (according to the reviews), because this episode gave me a real hankering for some old b-17 microprose gaming. A long time ago before War Thunder removed the mode there was an event called Guardian Angels where allied pilots had to defend a B17 bombing run from Axis pilots.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:i hope there's some blowback on command because knowing that 2/3rds of the troops involved in the super-complicated never-been-done-before plan weren't going to be there and figuring 'gently caress it let's roll' anyway seems a little irresponsible Spoilers for history: The Regensburg raid was so damaging to the bombers that the 8th Airforce was effectively stood down for two months to get new planes and crews brought up. By the time they went around for a second raid against the Shewinfurt ball bearings factory it was October, and they ran into the same problems: lack of fighter coverage, difficulty organizing the various bomber groups for proper timing, and then this time the Luftwaffe was much more concentrated defending a single target, assisted by heavily reinforced anti-air defenses. The second raid was even worse on the bomber groups than this episode's attack and it forced the Airforce to completely rethink the way fighter escort coverage would work. They did the same mistakes twice and lost hundreds of planes and crews in just two sorties. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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Greyhound is excellent so if it is all we get it's enough. I'd kill for a Bismarck Campaign movie.
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Sole Hunk Survivor Policy.
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The voiceover narration really doesn't help the show and the third episode proved it by not having a voiceover. It turns out that when you write your script in a way that explains things to the audience as they happen you don't actually need someone listing off a dozen names you'll forget, or talking about a Norden bombsight or going into detail about a mechanic crew chief who isn't even the focus character of the episode.
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That's actually another thing with the bombing scenes. There doesn't seem to be any lead time between the bomb bays opening and the explosions on the ground 20,000 feet below.
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George H.W. oval office posted:Is that good or bad I forget Considering the australia ep is the worst one of The Pacific I'm gonna say bad. I'll stay positive though.
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Feb 9, 2024 04:34
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The difference is that these bomber crews are getting those creatures comforts frequently. Meanwhile when Sledge returns from the Peleliu campaign the hot meals and lemonade are practically alien. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB59qXERQW8
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You're not gonna cast Butler and then grizzle him up. You're paying for the pretty face.
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Joe he don't even drink! drat Quakers...
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Watched the episode. The comparison to the Australia episode of The Pacific is apt, but I think this was a much stronger episode of TV than that one. I quite enjoyed it, especially in how it depicted the way that the war follows people around even when they're on leave or behind the lines (which I think was the downside to the Pacific episode since it really didn't touch on that side of things).
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I dunno he seemed overall pretty positive about the depiction and most of his issues were with errors in the CGI models for the gun barrels and the overly simplistic gunsights
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Spoilers So if Buck was shot down this week and Bucky is shot down in the next episode are they gonna follow them through their time at Stalag Luft III for the rest of the series and keep them as the focus characters? With the attrition that the 100th Bomb Group endures is there anyone notable who will take over as the lead POV character for the air sequences?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfsUZKWcVww If anyone's interested in some more Band of Brothers actors talking about stuff.
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Vampire Panties posted:Just use more of them! Let's put 12 .303s in the wings of a hurricane. Let's put 2 40mm bofors on a hurricane. Lets put a 20mm cannon in sideways on a hurricane what do you mean they keep jamming when they're mounted sideways.
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The Brécourt Manor Assault is a masterclass of filmmaking and it alone makes Day of Days a strong contender for best episode of the series.
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XYZAB posted:
Boy I hope someone got fired for that blunder.
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McNally posted:All the B-17s still flying are G models, how is it this hard for them? People keep crashing them or getting them sliced in half by an errant Kingcobra
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The Pacific is the Story of the Marines and you can't do that without touching on Guadalcanal. It sorta bifurcates the story in two because aside from the brief bit on Leckie's experience in the Solomon Islands it's really one show set in 1942 and another set in 44-45. As much as I'd like to have seen the Tarawa campaign it wouldn't have been much different than Peleliu as far as television is concerned.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:Africa. They need to do Africa. Lot of important poo poo went down there. Tom Hanks and Spielberg making the most dramatic and stirring tale of the 1st Armored Division in Africa and Sicily and then season 2 of SAS Rogue Heroes drops beside it and Paddy steals all their tanks for his one-man crusade. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Eau de MacGowan posted:my favourite part of the pacific was when sledge and snafu took a few weeks off and wrote bohemian rhapsody Gunny, I just killed a man. Put a mortar 'gainst his head hosed my stovepipe now he's dead. Gunny, war had just begun But now I've gone and thrown it all away.
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I dont care how many times they go up-diddly-up-up they're still gits.
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