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I just binged 2-5, and I am confused on one thing, how did Crosby Survive when everyone else apparently died. He just kind of pops up and Bubbles is all "i thought you were dead!" and he's all "Nope!". Did he get fished out of the North Sea? Also i really liked that they showed the guy leave babyface in the ball turret, and then juxtaposed that with Druig refusing to leave his copilot who was done for, trying for a landing and crashing. So instead of one dead guy, there's now two. Also in that storyline, I am curious what the infiltrator did to out himself. From the preview, we saw what was obviously concentration camp stuff, which, unless you were a jewish American soldier, POWs were not sent to right away. Though the German POW system was really inconsistent. Some camps were akin to the ones the allies set up for their Axis POWs, prisons but not beaten, starved and tortured constantly, and others were only slightly better than what the soviets POWs got, which was in itself only slightly better than the concentration camps, because remember kids, Slavs were second only to Jews in the Untermenchen chart of the Nazis. I wonder if i has to do with if they were established in the early part of the war or in the later part. I don't think any of the cast has been revealed to be Jewish?
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Vahakyla posted:Almost no Jews from Western Allies were separated or sent to concentration camps. There’s few exceptions, but generally you could expect to be able to wear a Star of David and be treated fine at the POW camp. Ah, yea, I read a really great book in my undergrad about POWs with a ton of direct interviews with people who actually were POWs and one Jewish guy was sent to a concentration camp but ended up being sent to a regular camp. He never knew why because the Germans didn't tell him why. I like that we're seeing the air to air rockets the Germans used, as bombers didn't tend to change course it was pretty easy to lead a target with them. I'm waiting to see a Komit or a Me-262 at some point. The opening shows the D-day landings so we know we'll be going that far at least. Or maybe the Ju-88 with the jazz music upgrade. Those wacky Nazis, always thinking of new ways to try to avoid losing the war like the losers they are destined to be.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:He navigated his plane to an RAF base, apparently "one degree off" and they'd have ended up in the water. Ah, I thought he was on Elvis's plane and had vanished along with them. That's what confused me Perestroika posted:At the time, people in charge were also still quite optimistic about the potential effect of strategic bombing, as it was still a fairly new development. Many genuinely believed that any month now the bombing would critically break Germany's ability and/or will to sustain their war effort. Weighed against the prospect of shortening the war by months or even years, the severe losses of the bomber force would have seemed entirely worth it. Its really funny that they knew that strategic bombing was ineffective, because it didn't effect the British that much. Breaking the enemies back didn't work when the Luftwaffe did it, why did they assume it was going to work with the RAF and US Army Are Corps did it? I asked that to a prof in university and he said it was because the British were so arrogant and so they thought that even though the battle of britain and further bombings didn't effect their moral or ability to continue the war, they assumed because the Hun was so weak willed in comparison to the mighty British, that it would work. There is a shot in the opening showing Russian soldiers holding up one of the airmen, so I assume either thats from them liberating a POW camp or one of the aircraft ends up on the eastern front?
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Feb 17, 2024 20:04
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I did not like early in the series were all the Hunks were all crazy wild party dudes going WhoooO! All the time. Ya! WW2 its a big party ya! But that all kind of vanished when everyone started dying.
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Feb 19, 2024 20:44
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I thought it was a neat detail that you saw the little candy and gum dispensers that USAAF crews had on the dashboard of one of the bombers in a shot.
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Feb 21, 2024 23:16
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mllaneza posted:It would be really cool to see some of these on-screen, but I don't expect it. Yea, that was exactly what I was thinking of.
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Feb 22, 2024 05:51
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Laughing Zealot posted:The real life event that this episode alluded to. I love how as much as I've learned about what a horrible place Nazi Germany was, there's always more. They really are the Nation of War Crimes. This is why i get annoyed when someone is all "did you know the allies committed war crimes too?" and its like, yea they did but they are NOTHING compared to what the Nazis. I love their defense was "Gobbles made us do it!" and the prosecutor was "These are adults, they knew what they were doing". Going to assume the Subaltern is part of Benchley Park, hence why she won't say what she actually does. There was a lot of women involved with code breaking so that fits.
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Feb 24, 2024 22:46
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:My only complaint is that so far they have for the most part not really treated the gunners as people and focused solely on the officers. That might be realistic, though I'm not sure. My grandfather was a gunner on a B-25 in the pacific and he kept in touch with the officers in his crew until he passed away. B-25s had less people too, though. Lol yea, Literally "fascists loving stuck, we need to punch them in the face until they are no longer fascists".
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Feb 25, 2024 03:04
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muscles like this! posted:He's eaten Civil War era hardtack before. Steve is a madman. He at least has sense to not eat something if the container is damaged. I heard the only things that ever made him sick was the Russian MRE, probably from the pig brain pate, and the algae paste from the PLA mre.
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Feb 25, 2024 04:32
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Neptune's Inferno really is an amazing read. I remember when I was first learning more about the Pacific I really was under the idea that after the battle of Midway the Japanese Navy was basically defeated, and so reading Neptune's Inferno I was totally floored. I had no real knowledge of the carrier duels or loving close quarters capital ship fighting that took place around the Solomons. If I remember correctly, Midway did destroy the backbone of the IJN but it didn't completely knock them out. They would never be able to project in force on the level the Americans could, but smaller fleets were fully capable of engaging the USN on the same level. It was not unlike the Germans and Kursk, yes they still had an army but they'd never be able to assemble that level of men an materials again. Going to need to check that book out though.
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CubanMissile posted:I agree about Westgate, but it’s a shame she wasn’t a real person. I and others suggest she's probably involved with cracking Engima and other codes at Bletchley Park. Why she's so evasive about everything, even what she studied in school. If she said she studied mathmatics (or maths, as the brits would say. Weirdos) that might even be too much information to give out. Most of the people working there were women, so its not out of the question. I don't know enough about british uniforms to get any clues from that other than she's at least a captain I think based on the 3 pips on her epalettes.
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Feb 27, 2024 23:07
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soviet elsa posted:Buncha posts about how Saving Private Ryan has no Brits in the immediate vicinity of Omaha, and yet in 16 pages of what would make good shows, not one “Red Army but based on Soviet memoirs, not Enemy at the Gates” Its too bad they made the movie , because the actual book is really interesting and the sniper part was only a very small part of the whole thing. Also, Enemy at the gates fed into bad western ideas that the Russians were just shooting all their men after failing in pointless suicide attacks. And I always feel Brits in American WW2 stuff tend to exist purely to show that they're all a bunch of tight rear end nobles and rich assholes, while the Americans are all salt of the earth farmers or bowery boys. I am pretty sure by ww2 the British military didn't still have "you need to pay to become an officer" thing.
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Imagine being some Me-109 or Flocke Wulf-190 pilot and thinking you're hot poo poo shooting down these B-17s with ease because you memorized their cones of fire, and then suddenly one day seeing these fighters escorting them.
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Mar 2, 2024 00:02
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Flikken posted:Then imagine seeing the fighters there when you take off. Yea, I know people get salty when WW2 productions act like America won the war on its own, but in a way, it kinda did, if you want to say its industrial might was the main force that won the war. The soviets got nearly to that point but you couldn't match the US, mostly due to their factories could operate without worrying about being bombed like nearly everyone else. Getting stuff to Europe was the issue, but even then by '44 it wasn't really that hard due to the advancements in sonar and the convoy system being perfected. Yea, a Tiger was worth 10 Shermans, but there were going to be like 30 shermans for every Tiger so whos going to win that battle? Ditto with the luftwaffe aircraft, nearly impossible for the Germans to replace their losses as fast as the allies could shoot them down. The Destroy the Luftwaffe mission was insanely effective before DDay, so a lot of late war bombings were unopposed beyond ground based AA. Slaves in factories in old mines and caves wasn't going to be as effective as a proper factory. I was curious why Spain was the destination for the escaped airmen, because while Spain was neutral, but Franco didn't like the allies very much.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:because Spain had Consulates and if they made it to them they could get to Gibraltar. Oh yea that makes sense. FlamingLiberal posted:The CGI at the end of the episode where it follows the bombs down into Berlin looked extremely poor It looked like they used War Thunder to do the cgi in that scene. War thunder with like a 4000 series card, but WT still.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:the pacific had the huge advantage of rami malek being one of the main characters James Badge Dale. I only really remember him because he's such an rear end in a top hat in Iron Man 3. feedmegin posted:Err. This is exactly why people get salty when Americans act like America won the war on its own. I really shouldn't of written that when I was massively sleep deprived. Facts got jumbled, though there is a POV that lend lease gave the soviets just enough wiggle room that they could build their juggernaut that scoured away the Germans in the east. Giving them trucks was a massive boon. My masters thesis is crying, though It was on the visual language of propaganda posters so it doesn't really inform this.
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Oasx posted:Yeah, even wearing a helmet and covered in grime he just looks different than the others. That last scene where Sledge is on the train asleep, and Sanfu looks at him as he leaves and decides not waking him up would be the better choice. I hope he looked up Sledge and sent him a letter saying thanks for being a bud. With the Old Breed has a bit that I wish had been put in the show, where they launch mortar rounds at a bunch of Japanese officers they caught in the open having lunch, and the round that landed on the table failed to go off. Sledge is blamed for the failure saying he didn't remove the arming pins from the mortar rounds, but he went back to where they were fired from to find the discarded pins to prove that yes, he did his job correctly, it was just that round was a dud. Arc Hammer posted:No not the guy playing Leckie. Bernthal plays Manny, one of Basilone's friends. Josh Helman who must be Nick Hoults bff because they're in a lot of movies together.
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Junkenstein posted:Also the star of the pretty great, but now completely forgotten, Rubicon. I heard that show was good but frustrating because there was some big huge mystery but it got canceled before it could be revealed.
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soviet elsa posted:irl they didn't meet again for 35 years. But Snafu was eventually a pallbearer at Sledge's funeral. That's nice. One of the BoB guys did that to, just vanished but showed up at a reunion near the end of his life.
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Arc Hammer posted:British levels of pedantry. Or deciding to suddenly turn a film into a religious thing? God that stupid scene in passchendaele where an explosion causes the young dead soldiers body to be crucified. That poo poo would embarrass a PureFlix movie crew. The best stuff in the show is the air stuff. The ground stuff can range from fine to just oh please get in the air again. Though I do like the prison camp stuff.
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Mar 7, 2024 04:14
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Arc Hammer posted:To be fair that was Paul Gross referencing a 1915 rumour that a Canadian soldier had been crucified by Germans during 2nd Ypres. It didn't come out of nowhere it was a pretty common story even though there's no proof to back it up. Yea, but that story was that the Germans had stabbed bayonets into the body on the side of a barn. It may of not come out of nowhere but it felt really out of place.
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I feel like the last episode is going to speedrun the entire end of the war. I am curious about how the Soviets would treat POWs from allied nations. Also from the preview, I wonder is Rosie is shot down during the Battle of the Bulge.
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It drives me nuts the rockets looked like they were guided.
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Cojawfee posted:Yeah, especially considering the rockets were slightly better than bombs. You get like an extra few seconds of powered flight before it goes ballistic. The AA rockets used by the Germans also had that look. Its like they didn't bother to actually look at what a WW2 rocket was like. I don't get why showing Crosby's hookup with the resistance is important. Its not like she's in a position to help the prisoners or something. With the Tuskegee Airmen, it almost feels like they had ideas for other shows and though they'd cram them in here.
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Mar 9, 2024 06:23
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Yea, I think if they just stuck to bombers and then POWs it would of been fine. Again, its like they couldn't decide on what the show was going to be about half way through.
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MrYenko posted:The 1995 Tuskegee Airmen movie is better in every way. It even has real airplanes throughout. Real airplanes? Those cost money. CGI artists work for free. Some Exec probably.
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Mar 9, 2024 18:04
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Arc Hammer posted:I wish The Volume had never been created. The amount of times it has been used well can be counted on one hand but when its abused it makes CGI scenes that can look worse than the lost excessive blue screens Wasn't the point of it so you could film more natural looking outdoor shots in a studio? Like it was just intended to be background while you built a set in the foreground.
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The last episode will have 12 minutes of the last year of the war then it will flash toward to 1952 and its now about Crosby trying to help his kid with his homework.
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Lampsacus posted:I just realised we are living in a television dark age, which follows a golden age. It tries to ape but it's going to take another paradigm shift in order for tv to be good again. We're in the early parts. Rome is still around and the Barbarians are being held back, but we're going to have to live through a bunch of horrible AI written shows before the execs who are all into cypto are put in the bronze bull and new execs who have radical ideas "lets hire writers and directors who made things people like to make our shows".
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I still wish they had an episode where they had to deal with a Me-262 or Komits, where they come blasting out of nowhere, take down like 2 bombers and everyone is making GBS threads themselves, and then they're gone.
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I totally dive bomb with bombers in war thunder. I got really good with it too. But lop doing that irl. The 262 was pretty much better than anything the allies or soviets had on paper. But on paper doesn't mean jack. How many 262s were produced? I bet the soviets pumped out more migs and yaks in an hour than the Germans made 262s in the entire war.
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That was something i learned from Midway, how important Dive Bombers were in the pacific air war for the USN. I figured it was all torpedo bombers and carrier based fighters. Balls of steel there. Also I just realized that the main guy from Midway was also the bad guy from Rebel Moon.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:WW2 threads usually go 3 ways, tank nerds arguing about war thunder bias stats, politics of the day or how it should have been fought. I am really tried of the modern contrarians going "Yea, the allies really wanted to join the Nazis, look at the German American Bund and The League of British Fascists! It was just the soviets that fought and won against the nazis". Yea, groups that had like zero political power and just because the Bund was able to rent out Madison Square Garden for their George Washington and Swastika party doesn't indicate some broad support for Nazis and fascism in general in the US. If people opposed the US Joining the war or supporting the European Allies it was in terms of isolation, rather than ideology. This isn't to mention the people that act like Japan was some poor put upon nation and America was the aggressor in the Pacific. Arc Hammer posted:Ed Skrein, or as I call him, rear end in a top hat Nicolas Hoult. Ah that's right, I just remember him as First Dariio from Game of Thrones. Dude has a face that looks like it was carved from stone.
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George H.W. oval office posted:Theres a mechanism that turns the propeller blades to horizontal so they act as little mini wings instead of creating drag by not spinning Is this true? Because that's really cool. I am curious how well one of these planes becomes a glider with no working engines. I'd think forward momentum would keep them in the air long enough that they could bail out or even land in some form if they were low enough.
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That is all really cool information. I had a vague idea how planes flew, but nothing about their ability to glide. Just falling out of the sky would only result in loosing control surfaces I assume?
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Sorry if I a 12 year old bayonets my friend I’m going full Anakin and gonna murder some younglings. gently caress those kids. Plus they were nazis, so gently caress'em. I love that scene illustrates facists perfectly, they will be haughty and cruel if they think they're in control, but the second they aren't they're the biggest babies ever. Also Barry's death was perfectly illustrating why you don't put yourself in danger to help someone in a hopeless situation, juxtaposed with the scene with babyface, it says "instead of one dead guy, you now have two". I think the show would of benefited from just being guys on the base/bomber mission stuff, adding the Tuskegee airmen early, and having the two plots meet up with the POW storyline. None of the other stuff was necessary. I actually enjoyed the POW stuff, I've read a few things about POW camps but not seen stuff about it, and most of that stuff is just SCHNELL SCHENLL! *points with rifle, kicks prisoner* style stuff. The one nazi going "Seig Heil! For Blood and Soil! Ya!" to all the extremely morose volksstrum guys going off to die fighting the soviets, and the other guy going "yea, we're hosed, we literally have old men and boys left", so for once the Brits were right! Just none of the other times they said "oh yes Jerry is done for, Holland is defended by Old Men and Boys armed with ww1 surplus with 3 rounds each, Market Garden will be super easy". That was a big plus of the episode, gently caress ton of Nazi's got killed on screen. Oh yea, curious about the Germans in Holland, they were completely cut off, so would they of even been able to shoot at the air drops if they wanted to? twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 16, 2024 |
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It felt like they were going to have some kind of beef between the Tuskegee airmen and the French African troops, with the way they look at each other. Was the old guy Rosie talked to Jewish? It sounded like his family was killed during the Holocaust of Bullets.
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Flux Wildly posted:MANY THANKS I had a teacher in High School who had been a kid in England during WW2, and did hang around a US Base during the war, and he said basically that is how i felt during the time, "oh boy all these strapping Americans have come to help up defeat Gerry!". And then he followed it up and "I was a kid and didn't have a bloody lick of sense". Also I made this 
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Lampsacus posted:Fantasy future seasons (assuming they are good haha): An enemy at the gates based on the book would be great. There's way more going on besides the sniper duel and also maybe set some ideas about the way the soviets fought the war straight? Lol no way, there aren't any Americans to wax poetic about the war there. Operations torch/husky/ Invasion of mainland Italy as the name escapes me right now would be good, plus you get Americans to center the show on. The Italian front always feels forgotten in ww2 stuff, Churchill "soft underbelly of europe" that was made of stone. Did the british have any decent intelligence during the war or did they just do planning by vibes of the upper classes?
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Also by 1945 everyone was just sick of this poo poo and just wanted it to end. Except Patton, he just loving looooved war. No one wanted to keep fighting, starting a war with the Soviets. I love that in BoB when they get the news the war in Europe is over, they're just standing around, and I think Nixon comes up and says "hey guys, Hitler ended himself, wars over" and everyones just "okay" because as I said, they're just tired.
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