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Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Also from the GBS Trump thread: FTC just voted to ban non-competes. Will never hold up in court, but I appreciate the gesture
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/federal-trade-commission-approves-ban-noncompete-agreements_n_6622b47ee4b0167f7bf4d211


And here is Biden going ham on evangelicals



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Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004
Time for the rest of New England to build a wall surrounding NH.

Better yet, we should convince them to do it themselves.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Once the NH population is weakened by preventable diseases, the bears will win

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Old Hampshire returning by popular request.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
Live free or die in an iron lung.

Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

haveblue posted:

Once the NH population is weakened by preventable diseases, the bears will win

They've already started, this is just going to accelerate it.

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

Sax Mortar posted:

Time for the rest of New England to build a wall surrounding NH.

Better yet, we should convince them to do it themselves.

We would never give up access to the NH liquor stores, sadly. Plus it'd be real inconvenient to get to Boston without access to I93.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Sax Mortar posted:

Time for the rest of New England to build a wall surrounding NH.

Better yet, we should convince them to do it themselves.

The best and worst thing about New Hampshire is that they have an absolutely bonkers number of state legislators for the population size. It's not impossible to *personally* knock on every door in the district. The good news is, this means the legislature is very inclusive and representative. The bad news is, this means the legislature is very inclusive and representative.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

Whoa, how many ruddy New Englanders do we have in here today, anyway?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Thank you, NH, for making my dumb state look sane in comparison (not that we won't be banning vaccine mandates at some point).

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
Just because it's blue on the presidential map doesn't mean a fuckin thing. Turns out everywhere sucks.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

I'm actually surprised to learn NH went to Biden.

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Also from the GBS Trump thread: FTC just voted to ban non-competes. Will never hold up in court, but I appreciate the gesture
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/federal-trade-commission-approves-ban-noncompete-agreements_n_6622b47ee4b0167f7bf4d211

Would you please elaborate on why the ban is unlikely to hold up in court? More “lol the administrative state shouldn’t exist when we have Congress (to do jack poo poo)” arguments? Just curious.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Combed Thunderclap posted:

Would you please elaborate on why the ban is unlikely to hold up in court? More “lol the administrative state shouldn’t exist when we have Congress (to do jack poo poo)” arguments? Just curious.

In a 6-3 decision...

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



mutata posted:

I'm actually surprised to learn NH went to Biden.

In my brain I've always categorized NH as a weird outlier that trends towards a kind of "leave me alone" libertarianism but I honestly can't say where I got that perception or how (in)correct it is

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

In a 6-3 decision...

Seems to me like a straight forward interstate commerce clause argument that the government has a legitimate interest in regulating skilled trades to spur innovation by regulating onerous burdens by employers on employees that no longer work for them.

The article doesn't claim exactly what law the FTC says non-competes violate, if its existing law that the FTC has finally gotten around to interpret correctly then the USSC is probably even less likely to reverse it. And many states already ban or regulate non-competes, I'm not sure I see five votes to overturn.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

MockingQuantum posted:

In my brain I've always categorized NH as a weird outlier that trends towards a kind of "leave me alone" libertarianism but I honestly can't say where I got that perception or how (in)correct it is

It's because Southern NH is full of Boston/MA transplants that hate "high taxes" but also want access to Boston and are relatively democratic. Also...

Goatse James Bond posted:

The best and worst thing about New Hampshire is that they have an absolutely bonkers number of state legislators for the population size. It's not impossible to *personally* knock on every door in the district. The good news is, this means the legislature is very inclusive and representative. The bad news is, this means the legislature is very inclusive and representative.

is wrong. It's a super white, older legislative body because they don't pay but require time investment.

koolkal
Oct 21, 2008

this thread maybe doesnt have room for 2 green xbox one avs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcUOUYzDXA

This skit is about Vermont but is basically true of most of New England.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
For the benefit of discussion rooted in observable reality, here is the FTC landing page for the noncompete rule.
https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/rules/noncompete-rule

Here's the rule itself:
https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/noncompete-rule.pdf

The justification of authority occurs on page 25.

Bellmaker
Oct 18, 2008

Chapter DOOF



mutata posted:

I'm actually surprised to learn NH went to Biden.

NH votes much bluer than one would think, but it also has that New England obsession with having a Republican governor

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Raenir Salazar posted:

Seems to me like a straight forward interstate commerce clause argument that the government has a legitimate interest in regulating skilled trades to spur innovation by regulating onerous burdens by employers on employees that no longer work for them.

The article doesn't claim exactly what law the FTC says non-competes violate, if its existing law that the FTC has finally gotten around to interpret correctly then the USSC is probably even less likely to reverse it. And many states already ban or regulate non-competes, I'm not sure I see five votes to overturn.

I hope you're right, but considering the chamber of commerce is already screeching about it, let me predict how this plays out

Texas branch sues --> 5th circuit makes another nonsense decision ---> scotus upholds because we aren't allowed nice things


in this scenario, maybe the 5th circuit is entirely too broad and unilateral again and scotus doesn't have much of a choice, but I'm not hopeful

Barrel Cactaur
Oct 6, 2021

Raenir Salazar posted:

Seems to me like a straight forward interstate commerce clause argument that the government has a legitimate interest in regulating skilled trades to spur innovation by regulating onerous burdens by employers on employees that no longer work for them.

The article doesn't claim exactly what law the FTC says non-competes violate, if its existing law that the FTC has finally gotten around to interpret correctly then the USSC is probably even less likely to reverse it. And many states already ban or regulate non-competes, I'm not sure I see five votes to overturn.

Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (FTC Act)

the FTC posted:

the Commission assesses two elements: (1) whether the conduct is a method of
competition, as opposed to a condition of the marketplace, and (2) whether it is unfair, meaning
that it goes beyond competition on the merits. The latter inquiry has two components:
(a) whether the conduct has indicia of unfairness, and (b) whether the conduct tends to negatively
affect competitive conditions. These two components are weighed according to a sliding scale.

Non-competes with workers other than senior executives satisfy all the elements of the
section 5 inquiry.390 As described in Part IV.B.2, such non-competes are facially unfair because
they are restrictive and exclusionary, and because they are exploitative and coercive. And as
described in Part IV.B.3, such non-competes tend to negatively affect competitive conditions in
labor markets and markets for products and services. As explained in Part II.F, the legal standard
for an unfair method of competition under section 5 requires only a tendency to negatively affect
competitive conditions. The inquiry does not turn on whether the conduct directly caused actual
harm in a specific instance. Here, the tendency of non-competes to impair competition is obvious
from their nature and function. And even if this tendency were not facially obvious, the evidence
confirms that non-competes do in fact have a negative effect on competitive conditions.

If you think that's long, this report is 570 pages and is basically the whole case for this. Basically the argument is that even if they are individually fair in a particular case(:rubby:), in aggregate they cause 400billon dollars of market distortion via direct and indirect wage suppression. The FTC would not do this unless they thought it was a slam dunk.

In a 5-4 decision based on the case from the 5th circuit court of appeals...

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020

mutata posted:

Whoa, how many ruddy New Englanders do we have in here today, anyway?

Live in MA, some family roots in NH and KY. Took the back roads home from the eclipse through deep NH, and it was like taking a tour of the hollers in Harlan County. But there are also some really great people in the state.

MockingQuantum posted:

In my brain I've always categorized NH as a weird outlier that trends towards a kind of "leave me alone" libertarianism but I honestly can't say where I got that perception or how (in)correct it is

Not wrong at all. The state doesn't always live up to that rep (weed for instance), but it's been my experience more often than not. Very similar to a lot of Yoopers from Michigan.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Star Man posted:

Just because it's blue on the presidential map doesn't mean a fuckin thing. Turns out everywhere sucks.

The presidential map is the wrong map to look at for state level laws, it has a Republican governor (a real Republican, unlike Vermont) and Republican majorities in the legislature. It isn't surprising that electing Republicans to state government gets you Republican policy.

Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004

Captain_Maclaine posted:

We would never give up access to the NH liquor stores, sadly. Plus it'd be real inconvenient to get to Boston without access to I93.

MA and ME can annex that part of NH.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Raenir Salazar posted:

Seems to me like a straight forward interstate commerce clause argument that the government has a legitimate interest in regulating skilled trades to spur innovation by regulating onerous burdens by employers on employees that no longer work for them.

The article doesn't claim exactly what law the FTC says non-competes violate, if its existing law that the FTC has finally gotten around to interpret correctly then the USSC is probably even less likely to reverse it. And many states already ban or regulate non-competes, I'm not sure I see five votes to overturn.
They're going to try and sue and say that the FTC is unconstitutional

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Seriously hoping that anti-polio poo poo doesn't catch on as the latest right wing cool thing. We have patients in their 60s and 70s who have required long leg braces to walk their entire life due to contracting polio when younger. I'm glad we can make their quality of life better now, but polio is a solved loving problem!

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Barrel Cactaur posted:

Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (FTC Act)

If you think that's long, this report is 570 pages and is basically the whole case for this. Basically the argument is that even if they are individually fair in a particular case(:rubby:), in aggregate they cause 400billon dollars of market distortion via direct and indirect wage suppression. The FTC would not do this unless they thought it was a slam dunk.

In a 5-4 decision based on the case from the 5th circuit court of appeals...

It's exactly the kind of technically-letter-of-the-law case Gorsuch would sign onto, and is the specific combination of reasonable and boring that I could see Roberts joining him. I wouldn't stake my life on it, but I also don't feel the urge to preemptively declare defeat out of defensive cynicism.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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The TikTok forced sale/ban bill passed Congress and Biden is expected to sign.

https://twitter.com/viaCristiano/status/1782948858160427499

shirunei
Sep 7, 2018

I tried to run away. To take the easy way out. I'll live through the suffering. When I die, I want to feel like I did my best.

FlamingLiberal posted:

The TikTok forced sale/ban bill passed Congress and Biden is expected to sign.

https://twitter.com/viaCristiano/status/1782948858160427499

what a moron. If you ban the kid's electrical dopamine app then they will likely protest vote against you.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
Even though Haley dropped out 50 years ago, she's at 17% in the Pennsylvania primary with 87% of the vote in. Pennsylvania is a closed primary. :sad:


edit:

shirunei posted:

what a moron. If you ban the kid's electrical dopamine app then they will likely protest vote against you.

The bill only bans TikTok if ByteDance doesn't sell it within 270 days (the president may extend it to a year). The election is in 195 days.

James Garfield fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Apr 24, 2024

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA
i don't really care about it being the youngens app of choice, im not happy with the whole ban (or force sale) it because of the dastardly foreign influence reasoning

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

James Garfield posted:

The bill only bans TikTok if ByteDance doesn't sell it within 270 days (the president may extend it to a year). The election is in 195 days.

Does ByteDance have to sell it to an American company? What's stopping them from creating an "independent" company in the EU through hedge fund chicanery and other financial obfuscation and selling it to that company, so they still get a profit from it but don't directly control the company.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
The Department of Labor just issued a new rule that'll massively expand overtime pay eligibility for salaried workers.

https://twitter.com/USDOL/status/1782818503927431484

That'll nearly double the threshold from $35k now to $58k by the start of 2025, and require the threshold to be adjusted for inflation every 3 years.

Between that and the anti-noncompete rule earlier, looks like the Biden administration is getting pretty active about labor rights and protections. Unfortunately, it's only executive actions, so there's no guaranteeing it'll stick around under a new president.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Young Freud posted:

Does ByteDance have to sell it to an American company? What's stopping them from creating an "independent" company in the EU through hedge fund chicanery and other financial obfuscation and selling it to that company, so they still get a profit from it but don't directly control the company.

no, just to anyone who isn't from a designated foreign adversary: china, russia, cuba, iran, or the dpr korea.

bytedance already created a separate US entity to oversee tiktok's US operations and that wasn't enough, so i doubt going through the EU would fix any of the issues.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Main Paineframe posted:

Between that and the anti-noncompete rule earlier, looks like the Biden administration is getting pretty active about labor rights and protections. Unfortunately, it's only executive actions, so there's no guaranteeing it'll stick around under a new president.

Rulemaking is executive branch, but it's distinct from executive actions and generally slower to enact or reverse.

FLIPADELPHIA
Apr 27, 2007

Heavy Shit
Grimey Drawer
Just lmao at the idea that Cuba should be in the same bucket of "adversary" as loving Russia

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Just lmao at the idea that Cuba should be in the same bucket of "adversary" as loving Russia

Feels like we could update the list to pop them off there at this point

FLIPADELPHIA
Apr 27, 2007

Heavy Shit
Grimey Drawer
Nah, we'll never forgive them for showing the world that a socialist economy can work and provide good outcomes for a populace even with god level meddling in their economy.

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lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
the list of designated foreign adversaries was a last-minute trump thing i think, like it was published in january 2021, so its not like cuba's inclusion is some cold war artifact. anyway, it would be funny to sell tiktok to cuba and i think we should get bytedance to do it as a compromise.

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