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L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

It's probably the crackdown on pill mills mostly (which is actually a problem because it means a bunch of people aren't getting adequate treatment for legit pain.) I'd bet there are also people who don't even realize it's an opioid since you can walk into a store and buy it all over the place here in FL.

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L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Discendo Vox posted:

They're not under an inquiry relating to the validity of the device trial. There is no actual basis to believe that anything has gone wrong here except that people really, really want to argue in favor of the grifters for some reason.

OK but I did read that they had actually implanted the first one into a human, and given how badly they hosed up the animal trials resulting in a bunch of monkeys and pigs getting brain damage and having to be euthanized because they couldn't be bothered to check if the implant was the right size maybe there should be a LOT of scrutiny here. Especially when other companies are using much less dangerous methods of implantation.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/elon-musks-neuralink-puts-brain-chip-in-first-human-amid-federal-scrutiny/
Ok admittedly it says "Elon Musk claims" so take it with a lake of salt

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Feb 2, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

C. Everett Koop posted:

Glad to see Biden won a state he has a snowball's chance in hell of carrying in the general.

In a primary without a serious competitor. Gee I wonder why turnout was low?

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

FlamingLiberal posted:

The oldest Duggar kid had that on his computers because his wife insisted on it, but he was very easily able to work around it so that he could view child porn at work.

He made a Linux partition and dual-booted into that IIRC. Forgot or didn't know that if you're using a partition for things you're trying to hide you should probably encrypt it

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Feb 8, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

It's all over. This is Hillary's email server all over again. If you're in a better position to leave the country than me, get out while you still can.

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L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

We should stop talking about comics and start talking about what countries are relatively easy to emigrate to now that Trump is going to win in a landslide and I doubt most of us like the idea of living in Nazi Germany.

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L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Kalit posted:

Why do you think Trump will win in a landslide? And if he wins, why do you think he’d be more effective at making the country similar to Nazi Germany than the last time he was president?

Did you not see the report that just came out that was basically "Biden willfully retained classified docs but we aren't prosecuting because he's a forgetful old man"? And have you not seen Project 2025 and the countless reports about what Trump plans to do in office?

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

I didn't see the press conference but I gather it was bad. Where's everyone going? Uruguay is easy but I'd have to learn Spanish real quick.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

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L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

I'm really, really hoping Biden comes to his senses and steps aside but I know that isn't going to happen and anyone who doesn't vote for the Dem nominee is a monster who is responsible for killing Amercan democracy. Personally I think such people deserve to die.

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L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Feb 11, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

zoux posted:

This isn't relevant to the general discussion but this reminds me about something I've long wondered: are there other countries where "states" or whatever they call their federalized administrative zones, have as much autonomy as the US?

Australia delegates a fair amount of authority to its states, not sure exactly how it compares to the US though. Germany too.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

This LI special election is a unique set of place and circumstances that probably doesn't tell us much about November, but if Pilip wins I'm not looking forward to the countless takes about it.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Jaxyon posted:

Social media is relentless with tiktoks/IG reels of people talking about how Florida cities are essentially Mad Max with human feces 6" deep and police sobbing in the corner with their hands tied.

The "not scared bro" crew that's deathly scared of cities is very vocal.

Did you mean California?

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

haveblue posted:

Yeah the whole Florida Man meme is neither new nor partisan

I think he meant to say California, but interestingly a big reason Florida Man is a meme, and not, say, Texas Man, is because of the state's open records laws. They were meant to provide transparency into government business but a side effect is that arrest reports and the associated police reports are easily accessible to anyone, and so reporters wanting low hanging fruit for a sensational story know what state to focus on. It's unfortunate because it means if you gently caress up here your worst moment will be a meme forever. I'll grant that we probably do have a disproportianate share of messed up crime stories due to inequality, lack of mental health treatment, easy availability of guns, stuff like flakka and bath salts seeming to come and go here first, stupid sexy gators, etc. but the ratio probably isn't as lopsided as the news would have you believe.

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Feb 14, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

FlamingLiberal posted:

Our state leaders are making sure that our sunshine laws will soon only apply to regular people and not them. They conveniently made the selection process for state university presidents confidential when they hired former Sen. Ben Sasse to go run UF.

Oh yeah I totally know that. Just saying it's been a factor in "Florida Man" becoming a meme when other states have plenty of incredibly dumb people as well.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Regardless of who would've won, that election was unique enough that it wouldn't have meant anything for November unless one candidate won by a large margin. But a win is a win.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Neo_Crimson posted:

Is an almost 20 point margin not "large"?

Sounds like a lot of the remaining votes may be from R friendly areas, just not enough to change the result. We'll see.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Actually as I was listing the reasons this district is unique, all but one should have favored the Republican. Maybe it is good news.
Most swing districts:
Are not 20% Jewish, many of whom are now single-issue Israel voters
Do not have the Republicans running a candidate practically tailor made for the district
Are not in states where abortion rights are secure
Are not right next to a city where a surge of migration is overwhelming services, and where the NY Post is constantly highlighting that fact
Are not laughingstocks for having elected George Santos
...huh, I thought this was going to be more balanced, maybe this is pretty good news for the Dems

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

CNN is reporting there was some kind of mass shooting at the Chiefs parade. No information other than "multiple victims" at the moment.
e: They're just saying "shots fired", not "mass shooting" but police are saying multiple victims.

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Feb 14, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

NYT is reporting that the intelligence has something to do with Russian nuclear capabilities in development. WH is pissed and is not going to declassify it for fear of burning the source.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/14/us/politics/intelligence-russia-nuclear.html

NYTimes posted:

U.S. Has New Intelligence About Russia’s Nuclear Capabilities
A congressman’s cryptic statement about the development set Washington abuzz about what the intelligence was and infuriated White House officials.

Share full article


President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia standing at a lectern wearing a dark suit.
The war in Ukraine has pitted the United States and its allies against President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.Credit...Alexander Kazakov/Sputnik, via Reuters

Julian E. BarnesKaroun DemirjianEric SchmittDavid E. Sanger
By Julian E. Barnes, Karoun Demirjian, Eric Schmitt and David E. Sanger
Julian E. Barnes, Karoun Demirjian and Eric Schmitt reported from Washington, and David E. Sanger from Berlin.

Feb. 14, 2024, 4:45 p.m. ET

The United States has informed Congress and its allies in Europe of new intelligence about Russian nuclear capabilities that could pose an international threat, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Officials said that the new intelligence was serious — but that the capability was still under development, and Russia had not deployed it. Consequently, it did not pose an urgent threat to the United States, Ukraine or America’s European allies, they said. The information is highly classified, and officials said it could not be declassified without cutting off its source.

A current and a former U.S. official said the new intelligence was related to Russia’s attempts to develop a space-based antisatellite nuclear weapon. ABC News reported earlier that the intelligence had to do with such a capability. Current and former officials said the nuclear weapon was not in orbit.

The threat came to light after Representative Michael R. Turner, Republican of Ohio and the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, issued a cryptic statement calling on the Biden administration to declassify the material. Mr. Turner’s statement, and his decision to share the information with others in Congress, set Washington abuzz about what the intelligence was.

But the statement infuriated White House officials, who feared the loss of important sources of information on Russia. While Mr. Turner has been an ally to the White House on Ukraine aid, his remarks on Wednesday became the latest flashpoint in strained relations between the Biden administration and congressional Republicans.

The intelligence was developed in recent days, and while it is important, officials said it was not a break-the-glass kind of warning of any imminent threat. But Mr. Turner urged its release.

“I am requesting that President Biden declassify all information relating to this threat so that Congress, the administration and our allies can openly discuss the actions necessary to respond to this threat,” Mr. Turner said.


His committee took the unorthodox move of voting on Monday to make the information available to all members of Congress — a step that alarmed some officials, as it is not clear in what context, if any, the intelligence in the panel’s possession was presented. In a note to lawmakers, the House Intelligence Committee said the intelligence was about a “destabilizing foreign military capability.”

Capitol Hill is mired in a bitter political standoff over whether the United States should be mobilizing resources to counter Russian threats to Ukraine, a cause that most Democrats and some Republicans — including Mr. Turner — have argued is essential to protecting U.S. national security interests. But a majority of Republican members of the House, including Speaker Mike Johnson, reject calls to put a Senate-passed foreign aid package with $60.1 billion for Ukraine to a vote on the House floor.

Former President Donald J. Trump has egged on Republican opposition, saying this weekend that he would encourage Russia to “do whatever the hell they want” to any NATO country that had not spent enough money on its own defense.

Other officials said Mr. Turner was making more of the new intelligence than would ordinarily have been expected, perhaps to create pressure to prod the House to take up the supplemental funding request for Ukraine that the Senate passed this week.

That measure, providing military aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, faces an uncertain prospect in the House. While many Republicans oppose additional funding, Mr. Turner is an outspoken advocate of more assistance to Ukraine and recently visited Kyiv, the capital.

Shortly after Mr. Turner’s announcement, Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, entered the White House press room to discuss the importance of continued funding for Ukraine’s military.

But Mr. Sullivan declined to address a reporter’s question about the substance of Mr. Turner’s announcement, saying only that he was set to meet with the chairman on Thursday.

“We scheduled a briefing for the House members of the Gang of Eight tomorrow,” Mr. Sullivan said, referring to a group of congressional leaders from both parties. “That’s been on the books. So I am a bit surprised that Congressman Turner came out publicly today in advance of a meeting on the books for me to go sit with him alongside our intelligence and defense professionals tomorrow.”

Representative Jim Himes, Democrat of Connecticut and the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the issue was “serious” and Mr. Turner was right to focus on it. But he added that the threat was “not going to ruin your Thursday.”

Senator Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia, and Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, said in a joint statement that the Senate Intelligence Committee had been tracking the issue from the start and had been discussing a response with the Biden administration. But the lawmakers said releasing information about the intelligence could expose the methods of collection.


At the White House, when Mr. Sullivan was asked whether he could tell Americans that there was nothing to worry about, he replied that it was “impossible to answer with a straight ‘yes.’”

“Americans understand that there are a range of threats and challenges in the world that we’re dealing with every single day, and those threats and challenges range from terrorism to state actors,” Mr. Sullivan said. “And we have to contend with them, and we have to contend with them in a way where we ensure the ultimate security of the American people. I am confident that President Biden, in the decisions that he is taking, is going to ensure the security of the American people going forward.”

Mr. Turner declined to respond to questions on Wednesday. Jason Crow, Democrat of Colorado, said the new intelligence was one of several “volatile threats” facing the United States.

“This is something that requires our attention,” Mr. Crow said. “There’s no doubt. It’s not an immediate crisis, but certainly something that we have to be very serious about.”

Mr. Johnson, apparently trying to spread calm after Mr. Turner’s announcement, said there was “no need for public alarm.”

“We are going to work together to address this matter,” Mr. Johnson said.

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Feb 14, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Google Jeb Bush posted:

i think we found the concerns

Haha sorry, I'll edit that poo poo out.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Shammypants posted:

Biden is now above 40% favorability, and given the trajectory of multiple polls this week, is headed to parity with Trump at about 43-44% by the end of the month.

Source? I find this hard to believe especially after Hur's hit job. (Have any polls been conducted since then?)

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/us/politics/trump-abortion-ban.html

NYT posted:

In supporting a 16-week ban with exceptions, Donald Trump appears to be trying to satisfy social conservatives who want to further restrict abortion access and voters who want more modest limits.



Maggie HabermanJonathan Swan
By Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan
Feb. 16, 2024
Updated 11:48 a.m. ET

Former President Donald J. Trump has told advisers and allies that he likes the idea of a 16-week national abortion ban with three exceptions, in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother, according to two people with direct knowledge of Mr. Trump’s deliberations.

Mr. Trump has studiously avoided taking a clear position on restrictions to abortion since Roe v. Wade was overturned in the middle of 2022, galvanizing Democrats ahead of the midterm elections that year. He has said in private that he wants to wait until the Republican presidential primary contest is over to publicly discuss his views, because he doesn’t want to risk alienating social conservatives before he has secured the nomination, the two people said.

Mr. Trump has approached abortion transactionally since becoming a candidate in 2015, and his current private discussions reflect that same approach.

One thing Mr. Trump likes about a 16-week federal ban on abortions is that it’s a round number. “Know what I like about 16?” Mr. Trump told one of these people, who was given anonymity to describe a private conversation. “It’s even. It’s four months.”

When discussing prospective vice-presidential candidates, Mr. Trump often asks whether they are “OK on abortion.” He is instantly dismissive when he hears that a Republican doesn’t support “the three exceptions.” He tells advisers that Republicans will keep losing elections with that position.

When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022, Mr. Trump told advisers that he believed the decision was going to be harmful to Republicans. Since then, he has formed the view that the abortion issue is overwhelmingly responsible for a string of Republican losses in congressional races.

And he is acutely aware of his own vulnerability: He appointed the three justices who enabled that decision, a fact he has publicly claimed credit for in several settings. Those statements have already been included in ads, and Democrats plan to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to remind voters of that fact.

In backing a 16-week ban, Mr. Trump would be trying to satisfy both social conservatives who want to further restrict access to abortions and Republican and independent voters who want more modest limits on the procedure.

Abortion is currently banned at various stages of pregnancy before 16 weeks in 20 states, including Mr. Trump’s home state of Florida. The type of ban that Mr. Trump has discussed privately would restrict abortion rights in the remaining 30 states where it is legal beyond that point. And the question of exceptions limited to the life of the mother is also controversial. In Texas, state courts have ruled that women did not qualify for the limited exceptions for “life-threatening conditions” related to pregnancy, even in cases where their fetus faced a severe diagnosis and the woman’s future fertility and health were jeopardized.


In a statement, Karoline Leavitt, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump, did not address his private remarks.

“As President Trump has stated, he would sit down with both sides and negotiate a deal that everyone will be happy with,” Ms. Leavitt said, adding that he “appointed strong Constitutionalist federal judges and Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. Wade and sent the decision back to the states, which others have tried to do for over 50 years.” She attacked President Biden and congressional Democrats as overly permissive of abortions.

Mr. Trump, who described himself as supportive of abortion rights for most of his adult life, announced in early 2011 as he considered running for president in the Republican primary that he now was anti-abortion.

Yet Mr. Trump never appeared comfortable discussing it. In early 2016, in an interview with the television host Chris Matthews, Mr. Trump said there needed to be “some form of punishment” for women who had illegal abortions, a comment his campaign quickly walked back.

At the time, Mr. Trump had to convince skeptical social conservatives that he would implement anti-abortion policies and pick socially conservative justices, and he selected a deeply conservative vice president in Mike Pence to help with the persuasion effort.

Since then, Mr. Trump has delivered on that and has formed a powerful connection of his own with evangelical voters, so he has felt less of a need to pander to them. After Roe was overturned, Republicans have struggled to find ways to talk about abortion now that they can no longer simply say they oppose it. The concept of a national ban of some sort has become a focus, with a 15-week federal abortion ban emerging as the baseline many anti-abortion activists have set for Republican candidates.

A 16-week ban would not end many abortions: nearly 94 percent of abortions happen before 13 weeks in pregnancy, according to data collected by the Centers for Disease Control. Nor is such a ban grounded in medical research. Even 15 weeks falls before the point when significant screens take place in a pregnancy to examine the fetus for rare — but potentially fatal — conditions. Instead, it has become a position that some Republicans, based on polling, believe will be the most politically palatable to voters.

An AP/NORC poll released in July 2023, a year after Roe was overturned, showed a slim majority approve of a ban after 15 weeks of pregnancy. In the survey, Democrats mostly supported such a measure and Republicans mostly opposed it. A six-week ban polled poorly among a majority of Americans, including Republicans, while a majority of Americans didn’t support allowing abortions up to 24 weeks of pregnancy, according to the survey.

One of Mr. Trump’s allies, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, introduced legislation in 2022 calling for a 15-week abortion ban with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother after that window closes.

Mr. Trump never backed the bill, which other prominent Republicans distanced themselves from, and he said as recently as last fall that the decision should be left up to states to decide. A leading anti-abortion group criticized him for that statement, but its leader was appeased after meeting with Mr. Trump and Mr. Graham.

There are signs that embracing any sort of national ban is unpopular with broad swaths of independent voters, and potentially risky for Mr. Trump. For instance, in Virginia, efforts by Gov. Glenn Youngkin to rally voters around what his campaign called a “15 week limit” last November failed and Democrats surpassed expectations in the state’s legislative elections.

So far in this Republican nominating contest, in which primary voters generally reward candidates for opposing abortion rights, Mr. Trump has avoided answering the question of whether he’d support a national ban. Instead, he talks about abortion as if it’s a real-estate transaction. He has taken credit for giving “great negotiating power” to anti-abortion activists.

“What’s going to happen is you’re going to come up with a number of weeks or months,” Mr. Trump said in an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in September. “You’re going to come up with a number that’s going to make people happy.”

In a Fox News town-hall event in January, a week before the Iowa caucuses, a socially conservative voter asked Mr. Trump to “reassure me” that he would protect “every person’s right to life, without compromise.”

Mr. Trump declined to reassure her. “I love where you are coming from,” he told the voter. “But we still have to win elections. And they have used this — you know, we have some great Republicans and they are great on the issue, and you would love them on the issue. And a lot of them have just been decimated in the election.”

Mr. Trump went so far as to criticize the six-week abortion ban signed by his former Republican rival Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida as “terrible.”

Mr. DeSantis tried to capitalize on the comment in socially conservative Iowa. “I don’t know how you can even make the claim that you’re pro-life if you’re criticizing states for enacting protections for babies that have heartbeats,” he told Radio Iowa soon after Mr. Trump made the comments in September. “I think if he’s going into this saying he’s going to make the Democrats happy with respect to right to life, I think all pro-lifers should know that he’s preparing to sell you out.”

But conservative voters gave Mr. Trump a pass and, ultimately, a record-margin victory in Iowa.

Mr. Trump has been encouraged by the lack of blowback and has privately gone even further in blaming more hard-line Republicans for the party’s election losses. He has repeatedly criticized two losing 2022 candidates for governor — Tudor Dixon in Michigan and Doug Mastriano in Pennsylvania — for squandering winnable races by being too “hard-right” on abortion and not allowing for sufficient exceptions.

Mr. Trump has told advisers and allies that he wants to try to turn the issue of abortion into a positive by talking about what he characterizes as the “radical Democrat” position of supporting late-term abortions, which are rare, but unpalatable to a significant number of Americans.
The poll referenced in the article was taken before Kate Cox's story became national news so I wonder if the result would be different now. Democrats need to hammer home that this ban would not include exceptions for fatal abnormalities (which are often not diagnosable until later in pregnancy) and that health/life of the mother exceptions are meaningless in practice.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Dull Fork posted:

What makes you think that about Newsom? I am not as familiar with the guy, is it just the california stink that you think would drag him down nationally? Or does he have a nasty side to compliment his used car salesman looks?

I do think Newsom would have a tough time overcoming the attacks as a ~CaLiFoRnIA lIBeRaL~ and you can just see the ads showing shot after shot of homeless people shooting up and defecating. Is that his fault? No of course not, but the perception would be a real problem. As someone posted here yesterday or maybe the other day, an awful lot of Americans have negative views of California and while that's mostly Republicans it probably includes a decent number of independents too.
e: he's not just governor of CA, he was mayor of SF albeit when the city was booming during the honeymoon period of big tech.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Honestly I think the dream Dem ticket would be Whitmer/Beshear or vice versa. Maybe in 2028 if we still have elections.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Andy Beshear won as a Democrat twice in Kentucky, and not as a Manchin type quasi-Republican either. The first time was because the incumbent R, Matt Bevin, was so toxic he managed to alienate absolutely everyone (and Beshear is the son of a popular former governer) but he won reelection because people liked him.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

I really don't understand why Democrats insist on fighting "fair" when Republicans are completely shameless about gerrymandering. The WI map also could have been more D leaning if they wanted. Even Robin Vos is counting it as something of a win since it's basically the most R leaning map that was under consideration. Ideally gerrymandering would be banned altogther by a constitutional amendment, but since that's never going to happen why not fight fire with fire?

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Feb 19, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The thing about this is, when Trump is on the ballot the Republicans still have massive turnout. It's just when he isn't his people don't show AND all the people Trump pissed off do still show up, reliably.

It's an open question whether this trend holds when trump is back on the ballot.

This. It's why midterm and special elections during Trump's first term went mostly better than the default for Dems but Biden's ultimate margin of victory was so much slimmer than predicted. I'm nervous to say the least.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

small butter posted:

But when Trump is on the ballot, he gets people to also vote against him. I don't think that you can say that Trump got all the people who he pissed off to show up. Not even close! Plenty of only general election voters are some form of pissed at him or just hate him enough to vote against him.

To be clear, Biden won the popular vote by a greater margin than Obama did in 2012. And while Trump set record turnouts for Republicans he did the same for Democrats as well. I really don't think it was Biden driving people to vote 80m+ for him.

This is just ~*vibes*~ but it seems like Trump being on the ballot turns out more infrequent voters who love him than infrequent voters who hate him. I have no evidence for this either way.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Sarcastro posted:

I can't imagine that's true when he lost the popular count by 3 million in 2016 and then by 7 million in 2020.

I hope you're right but it's worth noting that in the states that mattered, Trump didn't lose by all that much.
Not gonna comment anymore tonight lest I get into another doom spiral that ends in probation.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

A prosecutor in Arizona is refusing to extradite a man charged with murder in NYC because Bragg is soft on crime (and probably because he went after Trump as well.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/nyregion/soho-hotel-murder-bragg-arizona.html

NYT posted:

Criticizing Bragg, Arizona Refuses to Send Murder Suspect to New York
The Maricopa County attorney in Arizona said she would fight to keep a man who authorities believe bludgeoned a woman to death in a New York City hotel.



By Chelsia Rose Marcius and Jonah E. Bromwich
Feb. 21, 2024
Updated 3:31 p.m. ET
Prosecutors in Arizona refused to extradite a 26-year-old man accused of killing a woman at a New York City hotel this month because of what they said was the Manhattan district attorney’s lenient treatment of violent criminals.

Rachel Mitchell, the Maricopa County attorney in Arizona, said at a news conference on Wednesday that her team would not work with Alvin L. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney who is expected to charge the man, Raad Almansoori, in the killing of 38-year-old Denisse Oleas-Arancibia.

After hotel workers on Feb. 8 discovered the body of Ms. Oleas-Arancibia in a rented room at SoHo 54, Mr. Almansoori flew to Arizona, New York police officials said on Wednesday. He was arrested there after stabbing a McDonald’s restaurant employee on Feb. 18. Mr. Almansoori has been in custody in Maricopa County since.

“Having observed the treatment of violent criminals in the New York area by the Manhattan D.A. there, Alvin Bragg,” Ms. Mitchell told reporters. “I think it’s safer to keep him here and keep him in custody, so that he cannot be out doing this to individuals either in our state, county, or anywhere in the United States.”

Police unions and Republican officials in New York City and nationwide have complained that too many dangerous people are being released on bail before trial, and that Mr. Bragg has failed to prosecute them as aggressively as he might. But there was no indication that Mr. Bragg’s office would not seek to keep the suspect behind bars.

On Wednesday, Emily Tuttle, a spokeswoman for Mr. Bragg, called Ms. Mitchell’s remarks an insult.

“It is deeply disturbing that D.A. Mitchell is playing political games in a murder investigation,” Ms. Tuttle said in a statement. She also noted that murders and shootings had dropped since Mr. Bragg took office.

“New York’s murder rate is less than half that of Phoenix, Ariz., because of the hard work of the N.Y.P.D. and all of our law enforcement partners,” Ms. Tuttle said. “It is a slap in the face to them and to the victim in our case to refuse to allow us to seek justice and full accountability for a New Yorker’s death.”

The gesture by Ms. Mitchell, a Republican who has held office since April 2022, is an extraordinary breach of criminal justice norms and appears to be a continuation of an effort by the party controlled by former President Donald J. Trump to embarrass Mr. Bragg. His office is set to try a criminal case accusing Mr. Trump of orchestrating the cover-up of a hush-money payment to a porn star in an attempt to conceal her story of an affair before the 2016 election.

After Mr. Trump was indicted in Manhattan last March, prominent Republicans including Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, held a hearing that they said would highlight crime in New York City. They painted Mr. Bragg as a hypocrite who was focused on a political crusade rather than bad behavior in his backyard.

A correction was made on Feb. 21, 2024: An earlier version of this article misidentified Rachel Mitchell. She is the Maricopa County attorney, not the district attorney of Maricopa County.
Has anything like this ever happened before? I mean in the modern era, I'm sure there must have been cases involving the Fugitive Slave Act and such.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

shimmy shimmy posted:

I know it's a stunt but what are they even keeping him arrested on if not to extradite him? Can you just keep a dude in jail indefinitely on an out of state warrant by refusing to extradite him to the state where he could be actually processed?

I would certainly hope not, but I don't think there's much precedent to go on.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

It's all completely ridiculous but I feel like the practical effect is not as bad as Dobbs because presumably people who have the money for IVF can afford to travel to a less insane state to do it, or am I missing something? Again, not defending the ruling in any way, I just have a hard time believing that nationwide embryo personhood is going to be a thing. Of course I'll probably look back on this post in 2034 as I read the headline "9-0 conservative SCOTUS supermajority declares embryos are people"

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Yeah all that is fair enough, I didn't want to be insensitive just not all that familiar with the logistics of how IVF works. I made a dumb post. Sounds like it is going to be a burden for a lot of people, good job at being "pro-life" Alabama :downsbravo:. Any chance the legislature will see the bad press and rewrite the relevant law to address this. Embryonic personhood is a minority position even within the anti abortion movement, is it not?

L. Ron DeSantis fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Feb 21, 2024

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Discendo Vox posted:

No, half the country does not have to stop existing. The normal process of politics and representation needs to be brought to bear on the general consensus among the population that gun control is necessary. You do not need to catastrophize this or present it as futile.

Hardcore anti-gun-control people definitely represent less than half the country but as long as half the country will vote for politicians who espouse that view no matter what, it is not unreasonable to present progress as futile.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

In other terrible Florida laws that haven't passed yet but are certain to, a bill is making its way through the legislature that outs trans people on their driver's licenses and also mandates that insurance pay for conversion therapy.
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...39/72687118007/

Florida Today posted:

Florida bill mandating sex on licenses, coverage of conversion therapy passes final committee
The bill mandates the coverage of conversion therapy by insurance and requires sex at birth on driver licenses.
Finch Walker
Florida Today






The process to get an "M" gender marker on Jude Speegle's driver's license took nearly half a year.

It was a process Speegle, a 29-year-old transgender man from Volusia County, said he followed to the letter of the law.

But he's not sure where things stand, with House Bill 1639, which requires a person's sex at birth to be on their driver's license, advancing through its final House committee Thursday, and a rule from the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles stating that "misrepresenting" your gender constitutes "criminal and civil" fraud.

"Is my ID valid? Am I committing fraud? If I get pulled over for something and (am) clocked as transgender, can they take my license and impound my vehicle?" he said. "Me being transgender is a private medical matter."

The bill also would require insurance companies to cover conversion therapy — a method that attempts to correct one's transgender identity. It must pass the Senate before it can head to Gov. Ron DeSantis' desk.

Only about 1.32% of teens in Florida identify as transgender, with about 0.55% of Floridian adults identifying as transgender, according to a 2022 publication from the Williams Institute at UCLA.

What does the bill say about driver's licenses?
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Doug Bankson, R-Apopka, and Rep. Dean Black, R-Jacksonville, proposes changing the gender marker on Florida driver's licenses to a sex marker. This would require every person with a driver's license to put their sex at birth on the document, regardless of whether or not they were transgender and had undergone medical transition.

The bill would also require DHSMV to update its policies regarding applicants' sex instead of gender, though the department went ahead and sent a memo regarding not allowing people to put their gender on driver's licenses ahead of the passage of the bill.

Quinn Diaz, public policy associate for Equality Florida, raised concerns about this putting Florida out of compliance with the Federal Real ID Act, saying it would impact all Floridians.

"The Real ID Act requires that states features the gender on the license," they said.

"(The passage of this bill) would potentially make Florida licenses ineligible for use in boarding domestic flights, and that would apply to folks across the board, not just transgender people."

A person holds a transgender flag.
Transgender Floridians have raised more personal concerns about the bill since it was filed in January, saying it would forcibly out them to law enforcement, emergency service providers and others.

While Black has said the bill is "simply about biology," Speegle said that information should remain private.

"If I'm in a car accident and need to be treated by an EMT and they're surprised by my body parts, that changes nothing," he said. "They can move on."

Democrats also raised concerns about whether the bill would be in violation of the Federal Real ID Act, which requires a person's gender on identification and licenses.

Sponsors admitted at the third committee hearing that there may be litigation regarding this area of the bill, should it pass.

Clinic forced to close:Clinic serving Brevard's LGBTQ community will close by end of February

DHSMV rule:Florida barring gender changes on driver's license puts trans residents at risk, critics say

What about insurance?
HB 1639 would also require insurances to pay for conversion therapy, as well as coverage of care for "detransitioners" — or people who regret transitioning and seek care to undo the medical treatment they received.

WPATH standards, updated in 2022, say that psychotherapy could be helpful for transgender people. However, it shouldn't be a requirement to access gender-affirming care. They are in opposition of conversion therapy and say it should not be offered.

Throughout the three committees, Democrats raised concerns about creating barriers to care for transgender people, saying it may make insurance costs more expensive for trans Floridians or might make insurance companies less likely to cover their care altogether.

Diaz said Equality Florida is concerned that the bill could raise insurance costs for all Floridians.

"We know that ... increasing premiums increases costs for everyone across the board, whether or not they are seeking that type of coverage that requires the additional premium," they said.


The treatment of gender dysphoria, or the feeling that one's gender does not align with their sex at birth, through gender-affirming care is backed by nearly every major medical association in America. Treatment can include puberty blockers, hormone-replacement therapy and surgery.

That care was banned for all minors last year in Florida with Senate Bill 254, though a judge preliminarily blocked the enforcement of the law for minors. The law also limited care for transgender adults so that prescriptions can only be provided through an in-person visit with an M.D. or D.O, where adults must sign a state-approved informed consent document. That part of the law was not blocked.

There is no Senate companion bill for HB 1639. It will head to the House floor for a full vote and, if passed, will go into effect July 1.

Finch Walker is the education reporter at FLORIDA TODAY. Contact Walker at fwalker@floridatoday.com. X: @_finchwalker

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

KillHour posted:

Florida did a good thing!? What the hell.

There it is. Everything is back to normal.

The "good thing" bill also mandates age verification for porn so add another state to the pile where a VPN is mandatory. I swear "Today's bill is sponsored by NordVPN/SurfShark/Private Internet Access"
I'm an adult but I'm not eager to provide personal info to view sexytime.

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Jaxyon posted:

Looks like Oklahoma, land of draconian gender laws, is also letting kids get beaten to death in High school:

Though apparently they died from magical nonbinary reasons and definitely not the vicious beating.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/us/oklahoma-teen-death-school-fight/index.html

Yeah this story is a few days old and Chaya Raichick (aka Libs of TikTok) is very upset about people calling her out for her schotastic terrorism. Everything is fine!

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Angry_Ed posted:

Yeah it really can't be restated enough that Donald Trump took out a full-page newspaper ad calling for the Central Park Five to be executed.

Not only that, after they were exonerated he railed against the settlement they received and insisted they still must be guilty, despite another guy confessing to the crime and I believe being linked to it by DNA.

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L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

Zotix posted:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html

Automakers are sharing driver's driving habits with insurance companies, allegedly in some cases without the consent of the driver.

This deserves more attention and frankly should be outlawed. There are legitimate reasons at various time for even the most cautious driver to speed, brake suddenly or accelerate suddenly. I've been considering a used Bolt myself and if I go that route I'll go out of my way to be sure I don't opt in to any of the "features" that enable this. Whether this belongs in this thread, though, I'm not sure. I presume it's a worldwide phenomenon?

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