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Zero VGS posted:Back in the 80's I asked my parents why Israel and Palestine were fighting. They said "because the leaders get money and power if they keep fighting, so they'll never stop, they will still be fighting 1000 years from now". Can you elaborate on what exactly more bombs accomplish?
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Mustang posted:Can you elaborate on what exactly more bombs accomplish? Money for the US MIC. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying who honestly expects the US to willingly stop making money? Just like Hamas and Israel. It's all eternally incentivized. I'm not surprised at any of it. The only thing I'm actually befuddled about is why Republicans don't want to send even more to Ukraine, I figured they'd be all about that. Maybe Israel is cutting checks and Ukraine is cutting IOU's?
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Feb 28, 2024 21:41
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So you're saying it's unreasonable to be against the US continuing to make bombs being used to murder Palestinians because it makes rich Americans a few more bucks? That genocide is good for business? Holy loving poo poo. Yes, America should ABOSOLUTELY stop making bombs for Israel! We shouldn't give a single cent to a psychotic country that can't stop murdering their neighbors.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:50
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Mustang posted:So you're saying it's unreasonable to be against the US continuing to make bombs being used to murder Palestinians because it makes rich Americans a few more bucks? That genocide is good for business? But they put me in jail if I don't pay taxes.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:56
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Mustang posted:So you're saying it's unreasonable to be against the US continuing to make bombs being used to murder Palestinians because it makes rich Americans a few more bucks? That genocide is good for business? I don't think that's a personal endorsement so much as saying hey, this is gonna continue to happen due to deeply vested interests
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Feb 28, 2024 21:59
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Zero VGS posted:It seems to me that Hamas's leaders ... 100% wanted this outcome, and so did a lot of citizens. they did? the destruction of Gaza and its populace seems not the greatest outcome for Hamas' long-term survival. they (and presumably Iran) wanted to derail normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia, and succeeded at least in the short term, but at a rather significant cost quote:Full disclosure, I unironically picked Kingdom of Conscience in Disco Elysium because that makes perfect sense to me. hell yeah moralists unite. incremental change! MEDIUM CORE!
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Feb 28, 2024 22:09
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Post 1: I've changed my mind, Donnie doesn't have the worst lawyers, as ChiefsAHolic pleaded out and his lawyer gave a statement: https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status/1762943702446579993?t=pLRw09PgL5HuUhZq5Dfx0g&s=19 https://www.kmbc.com/article/chiefs-chiefsaholic-guilty-bank-robbery-plea/60009906 Post 2: Donnie got a partial win in that he can seek loans (I think via the trump org), but no stay on the judgment https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1762943219296243775?t=XNKeXYs8Vim_w8NwofWgbw&s=19
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Feb 28, 2024 22:37
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I don't think that's a personal endorsement so much as saying hey, this is gonna continue to happen due to deeply vested interests Correct, it's reasonable to be against it, it's unreasonable to think protest votes are going to change anything. I accept that everyone involved is depending on the payola to keep the machine going. I also think it's a bit loaded to call it genocide... you get to brand anyone disagreeing a genocide-denier. More likely Israel is in a post-9/11 brainworm rage and is similarly all out of fucks with regards to collateral damage, but that's not the same thing. Iraq/Afghanistan was all kinds of hosed up, but media at the time didn't toss "genocide" around like they are now. Even left-leaning publications like Vox are saying that the language pulls attention and overshadows the actual crimes happening there, which Israel should be made to answer for. Being extra about it feels self-defeating. Qtotonibudinibudet posted:they did? the destruction of Gaza and its populace seems not the greatest outcome for Hamas' long-term survival. they (and presumably Iran) wanted to derail normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia, and succeeded at least in the short term, but at a rather significant cost AP says Palestine support of Hamas is at an all-time high. I think they knew how it would play out: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514 It is more of a stretch to think they didn't anticipate the likely consequences. I am not educated about how Saudi Arabia and Iran factor into the decision-making. The military taught me that terrorists operate like old-school mafia, fundraising with drugs and protection rackets and structured with management. So yeah I consider terrorists as dipshits, but they had plenty of time to think about the long-term ramifications of yoinking 120 hostages.
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Feb 28, 2024 22:46
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Zero VGS posted:Correct, it's reasonable to be against it, it's unreasonable to think protest votes are going to change anything. I accept that everyone involved is depending on the payola to keep the machine going. How so? I want to understand, but it ain't matching to me. It seems that lime of thinking is ignoring the history, and acting as if 7 Oct was some shocking attack, and not a response to Israel systematically killing the Palestinian people for decades. In the decade before 7 Oct attacks, the Israeli had killed 60k Palestinians. They have spent years ignoring the international law and agreements, and forcing the Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas with lethal force. They have been cutting power and water to Gaza for years. Their security forces have killed children with impunity for decades. It's hard not to call it a genocide when it's the culmination of a series of actions specifically intended to kill an entire population. The Israeli government has not been shy in it. Comparing the IDF actions to America Post 9/11 is a Cheese and Chalk situation.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:01
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Last time I checked the majority of deaths in Gaza have been women and children, a majority of housing has been destroyed, they're destroying cultural sites, they're cutting off access to food, water, and medical aid, and want to push out everyone remaining into Egypt. Sure seems like they're trying to destroy a group of people to me. And it's not like they were playing nice with the Palestinians before October 7th. They want them gone and have for decades. poo poo, I'd support intervening militarily against Israel before I support giving those blood thirsty lunatics even a dime of support. The United States receives absolutely nothing useful in its relationship with Israel. It's pathetic and shameful the way the world's superpower is somehow utterly powerless to oppose anything this tiny country does.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:04
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Its just sparkling population reduction of a single ethnic group guys…
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Feb 28, 2024 23:07
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Supreme Court just came very close to knocking out the J6 case from coming to trial before the election: https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1762962505704321355 Lots of the usual commentators basically saying this delays it past the election, expecting a June ruling. Donnie found the delay button. Still hoping for a Biden win because gently caress that'd be funny for all these cases. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Feb 28, 2024 23:09
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facialimpediment posted:Supreme Court just came very close to knocking out the J6 case from coming to trial before the election: This is basically a stall tactic by the Supreme Court at this point, right? Are any of the potentially damning trials still a candidate to be heard anytime soon, or have they somehow swatted all of them down for now? I've lost track.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:09
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Zero VGS posted:I also think it's a bit loaded to call it genocide... you get to brand anyone disagreeing a genocide-denier. More likely Israel is in a post-9/11 brainworm rage and is similarly all out of fucks with regards to collateral damage, but that's not the same thing. Iraq/Afghanistan was all kinds of hosed up, but media at the time didn't toss "genocide" around like they are now. Even left-leaning publications like Vox are saying that the language pulls attention and overshadows the actual crimes happening there, which Israel should be made to answer for. Being extra about it feels self-defeating. Genocide does not necessarily mean extermination. The lower intensity conflict in the West Bank is probably more clearly genocide than the bombing campaign in Gaza even though the body count is lower, pushing a population out of their homes to settle your own people is very, very clearly genocide by any accepted definition of the word.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:10
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CBJSprague24 posted:This is basically a stall tactic by the Supreme Court at this point, right? 
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Feb 28, 2024 23:13
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I would say that, looking at the last couple hundred years, military intervention is pretty much the only way to stop a genocide, and whether somebody wants to call this particular genocide one or not doesn't do much to change that fact. If Israel isn't physically stopped by somebody going in and Doing Something, they're not gonna just stop on their own because of a strongly worded letter.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:15
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CBJSprague24 posted:This is basically a stall tactic by the Supreme Court at this point, right? Presidential Immunity isn't an area with a whole lot of caselaw for official acts, I think. There's enough weird poo poo here that at least four justices agreed to hear it. Since there were no dissents, and not even a written dissent, the court probably collectively concluded it was worth hearing it. The Liberal justices would've published a short dissent if they didn't agree. That basically makes the NYAG case on the pornstar payments the only case that will likely happen this year. Georgia RICO is clusterfucked and will remain slow, J6 is supreme court-delayed, and Florida classified document poo poo is complicated and chudgy.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:15
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In happier news, the White House might be the only property he owns by November.: https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1762904022212550924?t=oIs28IsC7FFqU1JBqn1LxQ&s=19 quote:In his filing, Trump says that he needs an emergency stay because he doesn’t have the cash and would have to sell some of his properties to raise it. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Feb 28, 2024 23:21
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Can someone explain what will happen to Trump now that they effectively have him caught lying under oath about his finances? I assume nothing, because the upper class follows different rules/laws/consequences than us serfs.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:42
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Mustang posted:poo poo, I'd support intervening militarily against Israel before I support giving those blood thirsty lunatics even a dime of support. Off the top of my head Israel gave us the Microsoft Kinect and ICQ. Lots of tech innovation and work in sustainable energy. They also have a fuckton of money and political capital, a ton of Jews live in the US, and they don't wish death to America like all of their neighbors. But ignoring all that, we should protect them because it's the right thing to do, not because we have something to gain. What was the point of WW2 if we're gonna ditch them on your say-so? AreWeDrunkYet posted:Genocide does not necessarily mean extermination. The lower intensity conflict in the West Bank is probably more clearly genocide than the bombing campaign in Gaza even though the body count is lower, pushing a population out of their homes to settle your own people is very, very clearly genocide by any accepted definition of the word. If that's the case they then should cut the poo poo. Everyone stay on your side! But Hamas hopped the fence first so Israel is probably saying they're doing this to have some breathing room. Even if it is a land-grab, Hamas gave them an excuse. At least a better excuse than whatever Putin came up with. Food for thought:  The amount of democrats saying "actually... Israel should gently caress em up even more" has gone up 2%. Maybe that's margin of error but wow. But overall it's still 50/50 with Americans. That's not gonna be enough to change anything. Status quo wins again methinks. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 28, 2024 23:57
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How on earth is protecting the genociders the right thing to do? We're supposed to "protect" them from the group they've killed tens of thousands of in just the past half a year? Are you insane? Microsoft Kinect? ICQ? Who loving cares. None of those things is worth letting Israel annihilate another group of people. And I don't need polls to know who the bad guys are: it's the people that have been committing genocide for decades.
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Feb 29, 2024 00:17
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Zero VGS posted:Everyone stay on your side! But Hamas hopped the fence first so Jesus
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Zero VGS posted:What was the point of WW2 if we're gonna ditch them on your say-so?
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Feb 29, 2024 00:24
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Zero VGS posted:Israel is probably saying they're doing this to have some breathing room.  Is this some kind of black comedy bit that's going over my head?
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Zero VGS posted:Off the top of my head Israel gave us the Microsoft Kinect and ICQ. Lots of tech innovation and work in sustainable energy. They also have a fuckton of money and political capital, a ton of Jews live in the US, and they don't wish death to America like all of their neighbors. you seem like you'd be an extremely uncool hang
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That Works posted:Jesus He's not involved in this conflict anymore.
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In a 5-4 decision Donny is going to slip out of another one. This loving timeline. E: rest in piss Mitch. Farking Bastage fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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Feb 29, 2024 00:33
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I still highly doubt that the Supreme Court will cede their power to what amounts to an untouchable king.
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Zero VGS posted:Off the top of my head Israel gave us the Microsoft Kinect and ICQ. Lots of tech innovation and work in sustainable energy. They also have a fuckton of money and political capital, a ton of Jews live in the US, and they don't wish death to America like all of their neighbors. Quick question- who built, maintain, and enforces that 'fence'?
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fknlo posted:I still highly doubt that the Supreme Court will cede their power to what amounts to an untouchable king. Having a king around isn't bad if you're the king makers. That's sorta the point. They cover him cause if the top levels of various branches of government ever have to start paying consequences then that signals troubles for all of them.
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fknlo posted:I still highly doubt that the Supreme Court will cede their power to what amounts to an untouchable king. Delaying and then ruling against him is a pretty good outcome for them.
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fknlo posted:I still highly doubt that the Supreme Court will cede their power to what amounts to an untouchable king. From what reporting is saying, five justices had to agree to hear this thing. We would've seen "justice so-and-so would not have heard the case and instead" if there were true dissents. Probably won't know poo poo until the arguments, but supreme court should've just dumpstered this poo poo to begin with. ASAPI posted:Can someone explain what will happen to Trump now that they effectively have him caught lying under oath about his finances? Yeah the lawyers could just say "well all I could do is report what my client said" and perjury really isn't a thing against clients like that, even when it's clear. Baked into the system that the system sucks and it probably was never going to save us anyways. DOJ/FBI taking so long at the beginning basically guaranteed it.
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I retract my "that probably isn't a personal endorsement"
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facialimpediment posted:From what reporting is saying, five justices had to agree to hear this thing. We would've seen "justice so-and-so would not have heard the case and instead" if there were true dissents. Probably won't know poo poo until the arguments, but supreme court should've just dumpstered this poo poo to begin with. They rule against immunity to avoid the "presidents are unaccountable kings" precedent but help him delay the trial.
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facialimpediment posted:From what reporting is saying, five justices had to agree to hear this thing. We would've seen "justice so-and-so would not have heard the case and instead" if there were true dissents. Probably won't know poo poo until the arguments, but supreme court should've just dumpstered this poo poo to begin with. Normally it's 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_four
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Zero VGS posted:Off the top of my head Israel gave us the Microsoft Kinect and ICQ. Lots of tech innovation and work in sustainable energy. They also have a fuckton of money and political capital, a ton of Jews live in the US, and they don't wish death to America like all of their neighbors. Hamas sucks rear end and Palestine doesn't deserve their awfulness but they also do not deserve Israel and their genocidal murderous everything. Even if Hamas gave them excuse, who loving cares you shouldn't take any excuse to do evil. It doesn't make you good.
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ASAPI posted:Can someone explain what will happen to Trump now that they effectively have him caught lying under oath about his finances? I mean, he could still conceivably get four years from New York for the Daniels thing. Seems about as likely as Biden sending a cruise missile into Mar-a-Lago if the SC upholds immunity, though.
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Wrong Theory posted:He's not involved in this conflict anymore. 
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