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James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

The Sean posted:

The operative verbs in all of that are things like "must now consider" and "asks [entity] to do a thing." That's the exact thing I was talking about regarding performative announcements that are not actions creating a specific outcome. I appreciate your help in proving my point.

I would suggest actually reading the executive orders before being smug about how it proved your point. They are fairly short and easy to understand. "asks entity to do a thing" is the language the article writers chose to describe an executive order which says "entity shall do thing".

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James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Josef bugman posted:

Sure, and is that not an indication of support for what they do? Is this some sort of weird thing that the vote is for winning elections but it doesn't mean a show of support for what people do?

It isn't useful to try to psychoanalyze someone's vote. There are too many things like conservatives voting for a socialist to protest Hillary Clinton to infer someone's entire political beliefs from checking one box.

Here's a twitter bot that posts little profiles of real voters. Most of them are Democratic Biden voters who agree with Biden on every issue or Republican Trump voters who agree with him on every issue, but if you scroll through it a bit you can find things like this:

https://twitter.com/American__Voter/status/1763264557706088798
https://twitter.com/American__Voter/status/1138491425035825152

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Josef bugman posted:

Or if you elected someone based on one thing and were actively lied to about it, would you still vote/be required to vote for them?

You aren't required to vote for anyone. It's a secret ballot. What you're talking about is that someone posts "I'm voting/not voting for X" on an internet forum for arguing about politics and people argue with them.

James Garfield fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Mar 31, 2024

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

blastron posted:

Where I think this breaks down is that this only works if you do not actually care about the outcome of the election.

That argument also says voting isn't useful because the candidate doesn't know why you voted for them, but paragraph four implies that if you don't vote the candidate will know why you didn't vote for them.

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