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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Josef bugman posted:

See this is the thing, I am unsure as to how choosing who helms the empire changes the underlying assumptions of Imperialism. It may be different in terms of what is done, but the involvement of the USA in various places does not change because the structures are still there.

Like a waterwheel, the empire continues to turn regardless of who is in charge of it.

Biden has pulled back on the more bellicose and imperialist parts of American foreign policy form the W. Bush era. Withdrawal from Afghanistan, less use of the American military. Trying to use diplomacy as ways to better decision making. There is a clear difference between him and Trump in the next election. Electorally, in the United States if you want less "imperial" action than the choice is Joe Biden in a hypothetical Biden/Trump match up.

But I think this gets at the fundamental problem I have had with the electoral debates we have here. Democracy is inherently a collective action and requires people to organize around people, ideals, and candidates. Discussing votes at the individual level, to me anyways, misses the point on how we're suppose to be doing this. Because no candidate is going to get to 100% of what you want individually and you and another person are going to come in conflict on how you want your government should operate. So, how can any candidate ever be good enough?

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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

The Sean posted:

"Continue to work on" implies that he is doing anything substantial in the categories you mentioned. He isn't. So, for your answer, it's impossible to be unupportive of a thing a candidate is not focused on.

Is this based on anything or do you just not like Joe Biden?

Here is GLAAD's tracker on LGBTQ work: https://glaad.org/biden-harris/ this includes statements and actions taken by the administration.
You can read about green energy policy here. Which was passed with a slim majority. A $1.2 trillion dollar investment into infrastructure and than another what $600 billion in green energy investments.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

It is entirely reasonable to draw the line of a lesser evil voters can stomach at “funding a genocide” and green energy investment doesn’t really move the needle. I am a single policy voter when it comes to funding a genocidal rogue state.

That's not what the Sean said though.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

The Sean posted:

Yeah, and that tracker is pretty much a collection of statements instead of action. My previous position stands. Biden is not a champion of the LBGTQ+ community--the thing you are responding to me about--and your attempt to state otherwise is pretty sad.

My opinion about Biden has no effect on what he has or has not done for LBGTQ persons. It's weird for you to bring up my personal opinion as a distraction tactic to cover for Biden's actions (or lack thereof).

From the White House itself: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...qi-communities/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ng-pride-month/

From Center from American ProgresS: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/timeline-biden-administrations-efforts-support-lgbtq-equality-first-100-days/


The first year: https://19thnews.org/2022/01/biden-promises-lgbtq-americans-first-year/

Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Apr 1, 2024

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

The Sean posted:

Oh, wow. A bunch of announcements that don't result in any direct action. I'm so impressed at these gestures!

They're literally actions. They are literally saying, government do this.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

The Sean posted:

Yeah, the bar for "Person substantially did something" relies on substantive action. Pretty basic poo poo.

Rule I.B - Assume good faith.

Tell me what in those announcements isn't substantive.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

The Sean posted:

Sure

09.23.2022 LGBTQ legend Elton John headlines a concert on the White House lawn

Again, you aren't addressing the actual actions taken by the Biden administration. Tell me what is not substantive of the orders and actions taken.

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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
-On President Joe Biden’s first day in office, he signed an executive order (EO) directing all federal agencies that enforce federal laws prohibiting sex discrimination to also prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI) in areas including but not limited to employment, housing, health care, education, and credit. From the time of the announcement, each agency has 100 days to develop plans to implement the executive order—meaning they are due this week.

- One area where the Biden administration did offer concrete policy for transgender youth was in the establishment of Title IX sex discrimination protections for transgender kids. The directive from the Department of Education allows the federal government to investigate complaints of discrimination against trans kids in schools, something that the administration of President Donald Trump declined to take up.

-Early this year (2022), the Department of Health and Human Services announced that it was restoring the Obama-era protections and adding new rules to bolster insurance coverage for gender-affirming medical care.

- To protect against these increasing threats, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), with support from the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), will launch the LGBTQI+ Community Safety Partnership. The Partnership will work hand-in-hand with LGBTQI+ community organizations to provide critical safety resources to ensure these organizations can remain safe spaces for the community. In acknowledgement of the mistreatment that LGBTQI+ communities have often faced in interactions with law enforcement, the Partnership will also work to build trust between LGBTQI+ organizations and federal law enforcement agencies. The Partnership will:

-Provide dedicated safety trainings for LGBTQI+ community organizations and increase federal threat briefings for LGBTQI+ organizations. DHS, through the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), will provide trainings to LGBTQI+ community organizations – including community centers, small businesses, and Pride festivals – to help them prevent and respond to threats. DHS will host bi-monthly threat briefings (or as required based on changes in the threat levels) for LGBTQI+ organizations to provide updates on the threat landscape and review key indicators of violence, and offer resources for local leaders. DHS will also lead a series of workshops for LGBTQI+ community organizations to raise awareness of federal funding for both physical security and threat prevention grant opportunities.

-Protect health care providers who serve the LGBTQI+ community. DHS and HHS will work with health care providers and medical associations to provide access to safety trainings and improve threat reporting to support doctors, clinics, and children’s hospitals that face increasing threats when they care for LGBTQI+ patients.

-Support LGBTQI+ communities to report hate crimes and build cross-community partnerships to address hate-fueled violence. U.S. Attorneys’ Offices, FBI Field Offices, DOJ Community Relations Service (CRS), the Civil Rights Division and others will undertake targeted engagement with community groups from the LGBTQI+ community and other communities victimized by hate crimes to increase understanding about how to report hate crimes. DOJ will also enhance public trust and public safety by partnering with state and local law enforcement agencies to increase the number of law enforcement officers who have completed CRS’s training programs on engaging with transgender individuals. Through its United Against Hate initiative, which brings together diverse communities to help improve the reporting of hate crimes and provide an opportunity for trust building between law enforcement and communities, DOJ will engage LGBTQI+ communities and other communities victimized by hate crimes as the program is expanded to all 94 U.S. Attorneys’ Offices by the end of September.

-Support the mental health of LGBTQI+ youth and partner with families to affirm LGBTQI+ kids. LGBTQI+ youth face a nationwide mental health crisis, and almost half of LGBTQI+ kids say they seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year. However, when LGBTQI+ kids are supported, they thrive. Today, HHS is announcing it will issue a Behavioral Health Care Advisory on Transgender and Gender Diverse Youth to provide evidence-based practices for mental health providers. HHS will also issue a guidance to states and communities on using federal funding to support mental health services for LGBTQI+ youth, including funding from the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, and provide technical assistance to communities to increase LGBTQI+ youth mental health services. HHS’s Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) has also just released an LGBTQI+ Family Support Grant to provide $1.7 million in federal funding for programs that prevent health and behavioral health risks for LGBTQI+ youth (including suicide and homelessness) by helping families to affirm and support their LGBTQI+ child.

-Protect LGBTQI+ youth in foster care. LGBTQI+ youth are overrepresented in the child welfare system, and far too often experience trauma, including being exposed to so-called “conversion therapy” while in care, being placed in foster care or congregate care settings that are hostile to their identity, or lacking access to health care and mental health services to support them. Today, the Administration for Children and Families at HHS is announcing that it will advance a rulemaking under Title IV-E of the Social Security Act to protect LGBTQI+ youth in foster care by requiring that state child welfare agencies ensure that LGBTQI+ youth have access to a safe and appropriate placement and have access to supportive services that help to affirm them. To inform this potential proposed rule, HHS will continue engaging with LGBTQI+ youth, foster parents, and other stakeholders.

-Shield LGBTQI+ kids and families from discrimination. The HHS Office for Civil Rights is announcing that it expects to issue proposed regulations to protect LGBTQI+ kids and families from discrimination in human services programs that support children and families. This Rule would strengthen protections eroded by the previous Administration to help protect LGBTQI+ Americans from discrimination.

-Address LGBTQI+ youth homelessness. The Department of Housing and Urban Development is announcing that it will launch a new LGBTQI+ Youth Homelessness Initiative to partner with local communities, service providers, and directly affected young people to address LGBTQI+ youth homelessness. Nearly 40 percent of all youth experiencing homelessness identify as LGBTQI+. HUD will encourage communities to develop collaborative solutions to address the specific needs of LGBTQI+ youth experiencing homelessness. HUD will also provide technical assistance and regular training for shelter and service providers, new resources highlighting innovative methods for supporting LGBTQI+ youth, and Know Your Rights tools for LGBTQI+ youth. This work will be informed by listening sessions HUD will hold with LGBTQI+ youth across the country.

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