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What’s weird about Robocop 2 is that they make The Old Man a villain when he’s a neutral force in the first, one whom the executives are fighting over access to rather than being a character actively involved in making the plot.
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FoolyCharged posted:The old man is absolutely a villain in robocop 1. He is the man in charge of OCP and all the horrendous shot they're doing is done with his rubber stamp. The deliberate underfunding of the cops and sending them into dangerous situations with no backup in sight is still traded back to him. He's painted sympatheticly the same way Hammond is in Jurassic Park(movie), and in the same way he's still the bad guy at the root of it all even if the conflict is driven by dick Jones/Nedry going rogue. The comparison to Hammond is apt, but I guess the difference is that in the first film The Old Man came across as more of a plot device than a character to me. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the movie but what I remember is different factions in OCP competing for his favor and that the executives are the ones coming up with the ideas like trying to get cops killed so they have test subjects, while in the second film he takes an active role in having OCP fighting Robocop. Broadly The Old Man is responsible for the exploitation of Detroit but within the plot of Robocop he’s a “good guy” or at least a neutral figure, inasmuch as Robocop himself can be considered a good guy too.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:35
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Maybe it’s because he’s only referred to by a nickname but I think of TOM more as a plot device than a character. Someone has to be in authority over Jones and Morton so they can make the plot happen through their competing projects. He also protects the continued existence of RoboCop because he could just have him shut down and disassembled so even if it’s only from ignorance and apathy RoboCop’s survival is thanks to him. I haven’t seen the third movie but in the game RoboCop is still said to be OCP property. It’s damning with faint praise to say so but he’s still responsible for Murphy’s life.
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Feb 29, 2024 06:12
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It's odd how in Starship Troopers the most sympathetic group might be the Bugs because the case can be made that they're just defending themselves from human invasion in the first movie. In the second they're pretty unambiguously evil since the parasite controlled humans talk about how they're going to try and take over all of humanity because of generic villain reasons, something to do with humans wanting and needing to be controlled if I remember correctly. Meanwhile in RoboCop the gangs are clearly bad, OCP is varying degrees of directly plot relevant evil to broader context evil, and the cops just want to be paid what they think they deserve to violently enforce the status quo that benefits OCP. There's the citizens of Detroit but they aren't fleshed out characters, just victims to be saved or not saved in time. Their goodness comes from their powerlessness but that powerlessness is what enables RoboCop to use excessive violence to save them so they're narrative props that provide RoboCop the circumstances to make him an action hero. The climactic action set piece against the Boddicker gang, as does the confrontation with Jones (where TOM is, like the people of Detroit, taken hostage by an armed criminal), takes place isolated from the citizenry of Detroit. Because they aren't that important to the story of the titular cyborg Christ-analogue, which about him reclaiming his stolen humanity. As deliberately cheesy as TOM's congratulations of RoboCop he is a positive factor in Murphy's struggle to regain his humanity. He can't overthrow the system any more than he can stop being RoboCop but he can be Alex Murphy again too. The choices presented by the film are either a crime-ridden Detroit where people are exploited by OCP and criminals or Delta City where they're exploited by OCP and maybe criminals. At least in (the first) Starship Troopers there's the possibility that humanity could cease its aggression against the bugs but based on what's presented in the film that wouldn't overthrow the Federation. Murphy and Rico are forced by their societies to struggle to hold onto their humanity and in that one moment of human connection, as fleeting and shallow as it was, TOM acknowledges Murphy's humanity. As Kuato said Kuato posted:You are what you do. A man is defined by his actions, not his memory. White Coke fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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Mar 4, 2024 01:16
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There was a live action series? Wikipedia says it isn’t in the same continuity as the film sequels, but has anyone noticed any references in the game?
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Mar 20, 2024 21:53
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I wonder how much of Stonehenge is going to be used to make Delta City.
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