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Is it just me or is it kinda hosed up to vote for a DEAD MAN for worst match of the year? Like drat, dude, Roman/Jey happened, MJF/Cole happened and if you're one of the boobs who think that match was good, MJF/Jay White happened. There was probably some lovely David Finlay or Tyrus or Nia Jax match, was the Mountain Dew Melee really that bad that we gotta sprinkle salt on a dead man's grave?
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Tyrus/EC3 should've won handily.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:03
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it always goes to the most memorable and/or high profile lovely match
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Feb 23, 2024 19:05
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It usually helps if enough people even saw the match to vote for it.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:12
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I feel a lot of the people vote on pure vibes
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Feb 23, 2024 19:16
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MJeff posted:Is it just me or is it kinda hosed up to vote for a DEAD MAN for worst match of the year? I think it would be more hosed up to dishonor his memory by voting for something else because he died. "Oh actually you don't deserve this award, you died."
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Why WWE won promotion of the year over AEW I would thinkquote:Upcoming advances are 2/24 Collision in Springfield, MO, is at 2,006. 2/28 Dynamite/Collision in Huntsville, AL, is at 2,295. 3/6 Dynamite in Duluth, GA, is at 2,283. 3/7 Collision in Duluth, GA is at 1,700. 3/13 Dynamite in Boston with the Mercedes Mone debut is at 6,205. Wembley Stadium is at 39,190 [ quote:Some upcoming advances: 2/26 Raw in San Jose is just about sold out at 11,356. 3/1 Smackdown in Glendale, AZ, is basically sold out at 11,405. 3/2 house show in Palm Desert, CA, is at 3,821. 3/3 house show in Bakersfield, CA, is at 3,513. 3/4 Raw in San Antonio is at 9,900. 3/8 Smackdown in Dallas is at 10,485 so probably will end up sold out. 3/9 house show in Alexandria, LA, is at 1,776. 3/10 house show in Lafayette, LA, is at 3,490. 3/11 Raw in Houston is at 9,794. WrestleMania night one is at 56,591 and night two is at 57,906. The get-in price is $232 for day one and $258 for day two
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Feb 23, 2024 21:16
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Stall_19 posted:Why WWE won promotion of the year over AEW I would think People really shouldn't use 2024 numbers for 2023 awards, the Observer voters are disgusting.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:28
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I mean if the award is just about money and not subjective then what's the point of voting? Seems like you can just Google that one up real quick.
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MassRafTer posted:People really shouldn't use 2024 numbers for 2023 awards, the Observer voters are disgusting. I don't mean just those numbers but the trend as a whole. The attendance gap has been there for awhile.
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Stall_19 posted:I don't mean just those numbers but the trend as a whole. The attendance gap has been there for awhile. You shouldn't mean those numbers at all, those numbers are this year. The only way to judge best promotion is by tickets sold so post the highest number of tickets AEW sold for an event in 2023 vs the highest number WWE sold for an event and we will know which promotion was best.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:43
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MJeff posted:Is it just me or is it kinda hosed up to vote for a DEAD MAN for worst match of the year? If it's the worst match you saw then it's the worst match you saw  I mean only sicko go out of there way to actively find the absolute dog dirt match, like a Tyrus match. Bray did it on the Royal Rumble! For perspective, 5 worst matches on Cagematch, 2 NWA, 1 XPW, 1 AAA & 1 WWE, the 4 worst have a combined 122 votes, Bray LA has 528. Hell, worst match I saw doesn't have any Cagematch votes
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Feb 23, 2024 21:46
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Yeah, the voters are voting for the match they saw. Nobody watched Tyrus.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:49
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I didin’t think the MTN DEW match was even that bad. LA Knight didn’t lose anything in losing the match and it was fun and stupid.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:52
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Ospreay as Japan MVP when he spent most of the year elsewhere and did not pop numbers for the domestic shows is  and observer should stop pretending anyone voting in these has any kind of perspective on anything happening outside the US
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MassRafTer posted:You shouldn't mean those numbers at all, those numbers are this year. I can't believe how robbed wwe has been over the past 20 years. Someone should look into these awards.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:57
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I still have no idea what Cody did in 2023 besides get his rear end beat for five straight months
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lol these brackets are a joke
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Just beating a dead horse here I know, but seriously: Observer: Which promotion had the best wrestler and the best match of the year? Observer voters: New Japan. Observer: And which promotion had the best on interviews, the best weekly tv show, the best tag team, the most improved wrestler, the most charismatic wrestler, the best technical wrestler, the best brawler, the best non-wrestler, the best announcer, the best major wrestling show, and the best wrestler gimmick? Observer voters: AEW Observer: Okay, and who had the worst announcer, the worst major show, the most disgusting promotional tactic, and the worst match of the year? Observer voters: WWE. Observer: Okay so considering all of that, what was the best promotion of the year and who was the best booker and the best promoter. Observer voters: WWE, Triple H and Nick Khan. 
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Feb 23, 2024 23:36
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That just a testament to how bad the MJF/Cole stuff was and how into the Bloodline stuff people were. It really altered the perception of both promotions. Also the was the CM Punk saga so I get it.
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Jerusalem posted:Just beating a dead horse here I know, but seriously: You actually just made a very decisive argument for Nick Khan to win promoter of the year that despite all the things you listed, WWE is the only one of the companies listed to be trending up throughout 2023.
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Stall_19 posted:That just a testament to how bad the MJF/Cole stuff was and how into the Bloodline stuff people were. It really altered the perception of both promotions. Also the was the CM Punk saga so I get it. Oh absolutely
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Sanada's reign (and Sanada vs. EVIL in particular, I imagine) and the MJF Devil poo poo were so bad (and so recent, taking place at the end of the year), they totally killed Gedo and Khan's cases. 
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rare Magic card l00k posted:You actually just made a very decisive argument for Nick Khan to win promoter of the year that despite all the things you listed, WWE is the only one of the companies listed to be trending up throughout 2023. Then shouldn't Vince McMahon have won all those years that ever increasing escalating rights fees were being paid for the utter slop they were dishing out as a content mill to channels desperate to fill hours in their schedule?
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Feb 23, 2024 23:53
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WWE's improvements are really just Malibu Stacy getting a new hat but New Japan and AEW having some rough patches helped maybe
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Also everybody agrees the new hat is ugly and smells bad, then pays $50 for it and votes The Malibu Stacey Company's CEO as the best hatmaker in the world.
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J-Ru don't hurt yourself over this. For some reason people have convinced themselves the bloodline storyline is the best thing ever and for better or worse it's increased WWE'S business despite putting on some of the most boring shows of all time. If you continue to rack your brain over this it will only lead to ruin.
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MJeff posted:Sanada's reign (and Sanada vs. EVIL in particular, I imagine) and the MJF Devil poo poo were so bad (and so recent, taking place at the end of the year), they totally killed Gedo and Khan's cases. Eh, as someone who actually watches NJPW, SANADA's reign was underwhelming rather than bad. Kind of like SANADA himself. The title win & the defences against Hiromu & Tsuji were all real good matches, & then the back half of the year was standard NJPW back half of the year & we got one title match & it was a loving disaster. 1 title match in New Japan between June 4th & January 3rd sucks. But it's not unusual, 2022 Jay White had 1 defence in Japan. 2021 Shingo managed more in that period because he's Shingo but also because New Japan couldn't really run outside of Japan. 2019 Okada had 1 Japanese defence between Dominion & WK, 2018 Kenny had 2, Okada's 2016-2018 epic run had your standard Dominion-KOPW-WK run in both '16 & '17. I'd say the laziness of a lot of New Japan booking, the failure to actually use Okada to put over any of the young guys & instead just having him waste his last year with the NEVER 6 man belts, having fun but forgettable matches, far bigger black marks against Gedo's booking than SANADA on top. Which wasn't great but was fine in ring except when EVIL was involved.
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DLC Inc posted:Rhea winning women's wrestler mvp might be the most egregious poo poo, how many matches did she even have last year? might as well just rename it the Gooner Award She's the biggest women's star since Becky Lynch and while we are old fucks it's worth noting she is a crossover superstar with Zoomers, the actual superstar not WWE version. Will she ever be better in ring than Giulia or Athena never but the whole MVP part is a lot more variable than just the most talented workrate. Personally I'm more annoyed Adan Page v Swerve didn't win feud of the year because this is a blood feud with legs that can last decades. Also gently caress the 137 votes for Kevin Kelly as best announcer.
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yea ok posted:(WRESTLER OF THE YEAR) These are some dumb assed voters
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Just be glad Roman didn't win the loving thing.
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Roman should’ve won non-wrestler of the year. 
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Jerusalem posted:Then shouldn't Vince McMahon have won all those years that ever increasing escalating rights fees were being paid for the utter slop they were dishing out as a content mill to channels desperate to fill hours in their schedule? At least when Vince was running things fans had enough dignity to stop buying tickets for the weekly shows, seeing every raw and smackdown selling out with 12k+ people packing in to watch this garbage blows my mind, even before considering the decades long sex trafficking operation
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But its cinema now
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